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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1348
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:55:00 -
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This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.
Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.
So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?
Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
887
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:58:00 -
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Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3775
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:02:00 -
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No other viable alternative exists, and probably won't. I don't see many games where you can lose everything.
And delicious tears.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
886
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:03:00 -
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It's simply FUN.
And, as a gamer, I go where the fun is.
When that changes, I change games.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Kate stark
490
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:03:00 -
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character progression. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1348
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:04:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing.
Yeah, I consider the economy a subset of the competitive and emergent sandbox that really makes Eve shine.
I'm curious how hard it would be to replicate a largely player-run economy. Does it represent substantial innovation and professional knowledge, or is it just unique in that nobody else has bothered to develop something similar?
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Signal11th
DARKNESS.
1123
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:05:00 -
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Social aspect, I've met some amazing people on here and met some that you could really struggle calling humanoid. Friends is what makes EVE for me. Everything else is just candy floss. Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
378
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:08:00 -
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It does chat channels pretty well. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3004
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:10:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.
Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.
So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?
Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny.
Turns out EVE appeals to me in strange ways that I didn't consider in the past while playing other games.
I don't have great reflexes so twitch games for me are fun but I'll never ever be some CoD or battlefield master (not that twitch is everything in those games). I like strategy games as well, but in an odd way find many of them to be "too" distant from the action.
EVE is a perfect middle ground, I'm captaining a ship (not piloting it) while managing a small personal empire of ships, captains (alts), cargo and even real estate while at the same time bieng a member of larger organizations (corp, alliance and incursion communities).
EVE also appeals to me because the game itself (not the lore, that's a different thing) doesn't lie to me. The game says "it's you, your wits, a free rookie ship with 1 trit and 5000 isk against the entire universe, go have fun". Most other games (in both lore and gameplay) make you up to be some super hero who is a special snowflake. i'm a special snowflake in real life (lol) I wanna swim with the sharks when I game.
Lastly EVE appeals to the tinkerer/mad scientist in me. I'm much less of a "shooter" (in the pvp sense) and much more of an "R&D guy who occasional goes to the front line to shoot stuff". There are days where I gotta find something to plug my thumb drive into so i can start eft and tinker with stuff, only to see that stuff fail in game because EFT is great but the realities of the game rule.
Everyone plays EVE for different reasons, some of those reasons i find ridiculous (like those people who play EVE for what it "might" someday be or the masochists who play in spite of the mountains of things they don't like) , but to each his own. |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
258
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:17:00 -
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It is both possible to solo your way to riches and group up and succeed.
Either way you could be killed and lose your ship, modules, etc. You respawn with only your money and what you have set aside.
The separation of character skills from actions or levels. - I don't have to log in and shoot at a "Target Dummy" all day for my lazor skill to increase.
This is why I keep coming back to Eve after other games have fallen to the wayside.
Also, I love spaceships.
"Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
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Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
107
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:22:00 -
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Eve? I just come here for the forums to stroke my epeen! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
370
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:29:00 -
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Market. Industry. Scale of things. Despite many little annoyances, its good game. Of course, you have to put effort into producing anything, but it's not bad thing, as long as you like spaceships and the setting. Do you like doing great things on your own, or be a part of great empire vs empire war? Do you dare to explore the universe? Fight? Conquer? Work your way into POS and producing stuff? Than it's the game for you (epic orchestral music in the background). Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
54207
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:34:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:
Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism.
EVE is way more grim and dark in nature than any of Clarke's fiction. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:35:00 -
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The fact that I can do anything I want, the whole interaction thing between the players.. Even If I don't want to interact i'm forced to in some way which is what I like.. A game that I can comfortably play even 10 years from now.. Only game where pvp is actually exciting for me small gangs/fw.. i've gotten used to pvp in so many other games that they get.. meh after a while.. In eve i'm paranoid every sec hell even when i'm mining I click d-scan more then when I go to low sec :p People say eve can't be played solo I disagree, it may not be solo friendly but it's the only game where you can enjoy playing solo and do a lot of stuff solo mainly everything if you want to, as well as group up for hours on end if you decided to
And the fact that after playing eve every other game I go to I feel my freedom is extremely limited and I keep asking "why can't I do that" then I log on again here and play. So yea endless stuff to do if you want to and there's so much more that can be improved about the game endlessly if the devs do it right, one of the best games and still has major potential to improve? can't get any better than that.. |
Musca Sklir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:35:00 -
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it surely can not be unbiased interaction with players based on favoritism or proper communication towards irs playerbase. |
Jessi Burns
Apple Moon Industries
2
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:40:00 -
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I've played many, MANY MMOs, and all of them have lost all of their flavor since WoW vanilla.
I've only been playing EVE for a month or so, and have been awestruck with how much there is to do in this game. This is the number one reason I have kept playing even after getting podded the first time. (which by the way is a critical turning point for any player who plays eve.... my friend who got me into eve quit the day after his first pod.. lol)
I like that when I venture out into space (i'm doing FW) there is a definite feeling of fear of loss, and excitement wherever I go.
I won my first 1v1 in FW over the weekend. Normally I don't do 1v1s, just small gangs, so this triggered an extreme amount of adrenaline. I haven't felt that in a video game in a very very long time.
I can't wait to see where my Eve journey takes me - after FW I'm not sure what I'll do, but there are tons of choices and I don't see myself turning back any time soon.
(In short, please CCP do not ever cater to the masses. This game is mad fun, but for a specific mindset. As soon as the masses are catered to, this game will go in the dumps :( ) |
Shai 'Hulud
Spanked and Straddled
34
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:43:00 -
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Sandbox WAS the only thing they really did right. Most everything else is poorly done compared to similar games. All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
382
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:54:00 -
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Lots of goals you can set for yourself. Each goal takes a long time to learn and achieve so it's hard to get bored.
Uses real life skills. You need real life organisation and motivation, real life intelligence, real life financial skills, etc to really succeed at most things. This keeps the irritating kids out.
Models "reality" without all the moral BS. As in, no laws and no morals count. Only what count is 1. Can it physically/materially be done and 2. Is anyone strong enough to stop you? There's nothing to stop you doing anything if you accept the risk/cost of doing it. This if for all video games but in eve it's an mmo so i can practice sociopathic tendencies in a safe zone, instead of doing another columbine/post office shooting or some ****. (Joke btw if NSA/GCHQ are reading this)
I like space. Flying a big spaceship is fun. Flying a small fast ship is fun. Old fashion fantasy stuff bores me.
One day in the future they will make wis, walk on planets, walk where u like in 5 sense virtual reality so I can forget about horrible real life and just live in eve.
Economy. Every goods and money flows around the universe in like a big flowchart. It's interesting. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2082
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:55:00 -
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Your mom lol Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
827
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:58:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.
Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.
So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?
Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny.
eve is a trap ... |
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Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:02:00 -
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Pissing off its customers, it's very good at that. |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2070
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:04:00 -
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I think complexity, freedom of choice and opportunity are what kept me here this long. There is so much to do, and so many ways to do it. I've also always been a fan of hard consequences, none of that pansy 'here's a cookie, try again' bullshit. I think I am more of a sci-fi fan because of Eve, rather than being a sci-fi fan before.
That said, I have done almost everything I have the enthusiasm to achieve. Now I just update my skill queue from time to time.
What would it take to replace Eve? That's a hard one. It would need to be all the things I love about Eve. A Sandbox with persistence, freedom of choice and all the rest of it. Lots of people are raving about Star Citizen. It looks great, and I am going to play it. But I'm sceptical that it could replace Eve for me.
That said, maybe I don't need to replace Eve. Maybe I could just abandoned it. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1496
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:12:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. .
Because my rl is pure **** ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1496
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:14:00 -
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Though i must admit i would like to get out of the basement one day ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1496
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:15:00 -
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Just not today ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Kyle Yanowski
Aideron Robotics
136
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:25:00 -
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Community.
In all honesty, the community is what keeps me coming back for more. Podcasts, Meetups, forums, Blogs... If you have never gone to a meetup, I strongly urge you to look up your local chapter. You'll have instant friends. =)
Even the bad parts of the community, I still admire. That's what Eve did right, it created an environment that a community like ours could grow... Host of the High Drag Eve Online Podcast ( http://highdrag.wordpress.com). Director of Aideron Robotics.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
436
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:38:00 -
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Interesting consensus seems to be building in the thread thus far
A: That the game itself is full of holes, but the stuff that goes on around the game is really great (community etc). B: The sandbox nature of the game makes for interesting times. C: PVP is a thrill as it has consequences not found in other games.
I would add to the above that Eve is a harsh mistress and does not forgive mistakes, making every choice meaningful. The fact that the game allows you to do numerous things and has a level of complexity that makes it thought provoking and engaging does it for me! That's why I am very anti the dumbing down trend seen of late. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Ayx Shewma
32
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:54:00 -
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'what does eve do right?'
sandbox |
Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
234
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Posted - 2013.10.08 18:07:00 -
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Unparalleled longtime motivation, and we're talking years here, due to its more or less strict sandbox nature and emphasis on universal pvp, and of course the single shard. All of this is rather unique and leads to enormous levels of possibilities and metagaming. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
367
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Posted - 2013.10.08 18:30:00 -
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Take away the broken promises, the hype, the "shinies" and Eve at its very core is a fun game. Whether this is due to the community at large that takes the tools and corrupts them into effects not originally gleamed (or intended) by CCP or those unknown and unnamed people at CCP working behind the scenes to keep this cesspool of dark human nature humming along. Also, the single shard aspect seems to be an open border for worldly affairs. That is, you can strike up a conversation with someone after an interaction in game and find out they are halfway around the world from you. |
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