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Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1348	Posted - 2013.10.08 15:55:00 - [1] - Quote This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do. Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought. So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you? Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Lipbite Express Hauler 887	Posted - 2013.10.08 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 3775	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:02:00 - [3] - Quote No other viable alternative exists, and probably won't. I don't see many games where you can lose everything. And delicious tears. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Felicity Love Whore and Peace 886	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:03:00 - [4] - Quote It's simply FUN. And, as a gamer, I go where the fun is. When that changes, I change games. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Kate stark 490	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:03:00 - [5] - Quote character progression. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1348	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:04:00 - [6] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing. Yeah, I consider the economy a subset of the competitive and emergent sandbox that really makes Eve shine. I'm curious how hard it would be to replicate a largely player-run economy. Does it represent substantial innovation and professional knowledge, or is it just unique in that nobody else has bothered to develop something similar? Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Signal11th DARKNESS. 1123	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote Social aspect, I've met some amazing people on here and met some that you could really struggle calling humanoid. Friends is what makes EVE for me. Everything else is just candy floss. Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster.
Mra Rednu Black Watch Guard 378	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:08:00 - [8] - Quote It does chat channels pretty well.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 3004	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:10:00 - [9] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do. Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought. So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you? Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny. Turns out EVE appeals to me in strange ways that I didn't consider in the past while playing other games. I don't have great reflexes so twitch games for me are fun but I'll never ever be some CoD or battlefield master (not that twitch is everything in those games). I like strategy games as well, but in an odd way find many of them to be "too" distant from the action. EVE is a perfect middle ground, I'm captaining a ship (not piloting it) while managing a small personal empire of ships, captains (alts), cargo and even real estate while at the same time bieng a member of larger organizations (corp, alliance and incursion communities). EVE also appeals to me because the game itself (not the lore, that's a different thing) doesn't lie to me. The game says "it's you, your wits, a free rookie ship with 1 trit and 5000 isk against the entire universe, go have fun". Most other games (in both lore and gameplay) make you up to be some super hero who is a special snowflake. i'm a special snowflake in real life (lol) I wanna swim with the sharks when I game. Lastly EVE appeals to the tinkerer/mad scientist in me. I'm much less of a "shooter" (in the pvp sense) and much more of an "R&D guy who occasional goes to the front line to shoot stuff". There are days where I gotta find something to plug my thumb drive into so i can start eft and tinker with stuff, only to see that stuff fail in game because EFT is great but the realities of the game rule. Everyone plays EVE for different reasons, some of those reasons i find ridiculous (like those people who play EVE for what it "might" someday be or the masochists who play in spite of the mountains of things they don't like) , but to each his own.
Takari Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 258	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:17:00 - [10] - Quote It is both possible to solo your way to riches and group up and succeed. Either way you could be killed and lose your ship, modules, etc. You respawn with only your money and what you have set aside. The separation of character skills from actions or levels. - I don't have to log in and shoot at a "Target Dummy" all day for my lazor skill to increase. This is why I keep coming back to Eve after other games have fallen to the wayside. Also, I love spaceships. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon
Tron 3K Ship Spinning Industries 107	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:22:00 - [11] - Quote Eve? I just come here for the forums to stroke my epeen!
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 370	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:29:00 - [12] - Quote Market. Industry. Scale of things. Despite many little annoyances, its good game. Of course, you have to put effort into producing anything, but it's not bad thing, as long as you like spaceships and the setting. Do you like doing great things on your own, or be a part of great empire vs empire war? Do you dare to explore the universe? Fight? Conquer? Work your way into POS and producing stuff? Than it's the game for you (epic orchestral music in the background). Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 54207	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:34:00 - [13] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. EVE is way more grim and dark in nature than any of Clarke's fiction. People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson
Anomaly One Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote The fact that I can do anything I want, the whole interaction thing between the players.. Even If I don't want to interact i'm forced to in some way which is what I like.. A game that I can comfortably play even 10 years from now.. Only game where pvp is actually exciting for me small gangs/fw.. i've gotten used to pvp in so many other games that they get.. meh after a while.. In eve i'm paranoid every sec hell even when i'm mining I click d-scan more then when I go to low sec :p People say eve can't be played solo I disagree, it may not be solo friendly but it's the only game where you can enjoy playing solo and do a lot of stuff solo mainly everything if you want to, as well as group up for hours on end if you decided to And the fact that after playing eve every other game I go to I feel my freedom is extremely limited and I keep asking "why can't I do that" then I log on again here and play. So yea endless stuff to do if you want to and there's so much more that can be improved about the game endlessly if the devs do it right, one of the best games and still has major potential to improve? can't get any better than that..
Musca Sklir Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:35:00 - [15] - Quote it surely can not be unbiased interaction with players based on favoritism or proper communication towards irs playerbase.
Jessi Burns Apple Moon Industries 2	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote I've played many, MANY MMOs, and all of them have lost all of their flavor since WoW vanilla. I've only been playing EVE for a month or so, and have been awestruck with how much there is to do in this game. This is the number one reason I have kept playing even after getting podded the first time. (which by the way is a critical turning point for any player who plays eve.... my friend who got me into eve quit the day after his first pod.. lol) I like that when I venture out into space (i'm doing FW) there is a definite feeling of fear of loss, and excitement wherever I go. I won my first 1v1 in FW over the weekend. Normally I don't do 1v1s, just small gangs, so this triggered an extreme amount of adrenaline. I haven't felt that in a video game in a very very long time. I can't wait to see where my Eve journey takes me - after FW I'm not sure what I'll do, but there are tons of choices and I don't see myself turning back any time soon. (In short, please CCP do not ever cater to the masses. This game is mad fun, but for a specific mindset. As soon as the masses are catered to, this game will go in the dumps :( )
Shai 'Hulud Spanked and Straddled 34	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote Sandbox WAS the only thing they really did right. Most everything else is poorly done compared to similar games. All the sand has blown away... now it's just a box.
Seven Koskanaiken Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas 382	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:54:00 - [18] - Quote Lots of goals you can set for yourself. Each goal takes a long time to learn and achieve so it's hard to get bored. Uses real life skills. You need real life organisation and motivation, real life intelligence, real life financial skills, etc to really succeed at most things. This keeps the irritating kids out. Models "reality" without all the moral BS. As in, no laws and no morals count. Only what count is 1. Can it physically/materially be done and 2. Is anyone strong enough to stop you? There's nothing to stop you doing anything if you accept the risk/cost of doing it. This if for all video games but in eve it's an mmo so i can practice sociopathic tendencies in a safe zone, instead of doing another columbine/post office shooting or some ****. (Joke btw if NSA/GCHQ are reading this) I like space. Flying a big spaceship is fun. Flying a small fast ship is fun. Old fashion fantasy stuff bores me. One day in the future they will make wis, walk on planets, walk where u like in 5 sense virtual reality so I can forget about horrible real life and just live in eve. Economy. Every goods and money flows around the universe in like a big flowchart. It's interesting.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 2082	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:55:00 - [19] - Quote Your mom lol Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 827	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:58:00 - [20] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do. Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought. So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you? Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny. eve is a trap ...
Maximilian Akora It's just business. 51	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:02:00 - [21] - Quote Pissing off its customers, it's very good at that.
Arduemont 12 pound opinion 2070	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:04:00 - [22] - Quote I think complexity, freedom of choice and opportunity are what kept me here this long. There is so much to do, and so many ways to do it. I've also always been a fan of hard consequences, none of that pansy 'here's a cookie, try again' bullshit. I think I am more of a sci-fi fan because of Eve, rather than being a sci-fi fan before. That said, I have done almost everything I have the enthusiasm to achieve. Now I just update my skill queue from time to time. What would it take to replace Eve? That's a hard one. It would need to be all the things I love about Eve. A Sandbox with persistence, freedom of choice and all the rest of it. Lots of people are raving about Star Citizen. It looks great, and I am going to play it. But I'm sceptical that it could replace Eve for me. That said, maybe I don't need to replace Eve. Maybe I could just abandoned it. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1496	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. . Because my rl is pure **** ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1496	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:14:00 - [24] - Quote Though i must admit i would like to get out of the basement one day ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1496	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:15:00 - [25] - Quote Just not today ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kyle Yanowski Aideron Robotics 136	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:25:00 - [26] - Quote Community. In all honesty, the community is what keeps me coming back for more. Podcasts, Meetups, forums, Blogs... If you have never gone to a meetup, I strongly urge you to look up your local chapter. You'll have instant friends. =) Even the bad parts of the community, I still admire. That's what Eve did right, it created an environment that a community like ours could grow... Host of the High Drag Eve Online Podcast ( http://highdrag.wordpress.com). Director of Aideron Robotics.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 436	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:38:00 - [27] - Quote Interesting consensus seems to be building in the thread thus far A: That the game itself is full of holes, but the stuff that goes on around the game is really great (community etc). B: The sandbox nature of the game makes for interesting times. C: PVP is a thrill as it has consequences not found in other games. I would add to the above that Eve is a harsh mistress and does not forgive mistakes, making every choice meaningful. The fact that the game allows you to do numerous things and has a level of complexity that makes it thought provoking and engaging does it for me! That's why I am very anti the dumbing down trend seen of late. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Ayx Shewma 32	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:54:00 - [28] - Quote 'what does eve do right?' sandbox
Ra Jackson the unified Negative Ten. 234	Posted - 2013.10.08 18:07:00 - [29] - Quote Unparalleled longtime motivation, and we're talking years here, due to its more or less strict sandbox nature and emphasis on universal pvp, and of course the single shard. All of this is rather unique and leads to enormous levels of possibilities and metagaming.
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 367	Posted - 2013.10.08 18:30:00 - [30] - Quote Take away the broken promises, the hype, the "shinies" and Eve at its very core is a fun game. Whether this is due to the community at large that takes the tools and corrupts them into effects not originally gleamed (or intended) by CCP or those unknown and unnamed people at CCP working behind the scenes to keep this cesspool of dark human nature humming along. Also, the single shard aspect seems to be an open border for worldly affairs. That is, you can strike up a conversation with someone after an interaction in game and find out they are halfway around the world from you.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 976	Posted - 2013.10.08 18:32:00 - [31] - Quote Sandbox The Tears Must Flow
Random Majere Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda 114	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:09:00 - [32] - Quote Eve made Goons right!! Or is it the other way around?
Kate stark 520	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:13:00 - [33] - Quote Random Majere wrote: Eve made Goons right!! Or is it the other way around? right made goons eve? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Laserak GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:37:00 - [34] - Quote offline progression
Lephia DeGrande Luxembourg Space Union 149	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:47:00 - [35] - Quote Small Ships and unskilled Pilots are useful!
Hra Neuvosto FinFleet Northern Coalition. 132	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:50:00 - [36] - Quote Eve is a petri dish for cool communities.
Ra Jackson the unified Negative Ten. 239	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:31:00 - [37] - Quote Random Majere wrote: Eve made Goons right!! Or is it the other way around? Goons do have a serious deal in this, no matter if you love or hate them. It doesn't really matter, and from an ingame point of view I despise them, but, hell, they GET this game. Actually, it seems that it always comes down to the single shard concept. It just makes internet space pixels relevant. I became obvious to me when there was this tournament with random teams (God, I can't even remember how the tourney was called). I mean, it's nice, but nobody really cares because you cannot relate to them. But get a CCP Alliance Tournament rolling, and hell, you get the name dropping, entities you know from the shard, and it MEANS something. That is so important and it makes you coming back, and I haven't found it anywhere else yet in an MMO.
Digits Kho Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Get Off My Lawn 2	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:42:00 - [38] - Quote 1. sandox 2. devs and support that are actually active in game and forums and rly do care about their game ( even if they fail from time to time) 3. lots of drama ( drama is THE fuel of any game) 4. lots of oldfar.. ,err older ppl around which makes me feel proud of myself for being young 5. internet spaceships srs business
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 721	Posted - 2013.10.09 08:10:00 - [39] - Quote 1. Social aspect. It goes beyond some dudes you hang with and raid an NPC dungeon. You actively engage in group objectives versus other players. 2. Gain ground. I love the concept of conquest and Eve allows for many scales of conquest: small-scale lowsec turf wars, major nullsec engagements, turning a wormhole in a bastion of defense. 3. Playing the villain. I love how Eve allows and encourages all manner of criminal behaviour, such as scamming and piracy. 4. PVP is like chess. It's not as twitch based as most other multiplayer games, the smarter, more organized players win and not the ones that have been farming gold gear for 8 weeks straight.
Flamespar Woof Club 815	Posted - 2013.10.09 08:11:00 - [40] - Quote The uninstall feature works pretty smoothly. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Durbon Groth Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2013.10.09 13:26:00 - [41] - Quote Good: The sandbox, social structure inc. the inherent intrigue, graphics, scale, tutorials, variety and depth, pvp, real loss and risk vs reward, market and economy, faction warfare. Bad: WiS, jita spam, node strength, mining, corp roles and shares. Ugly: TiDi, supercaps, sov grinding (probably only cos I'm doing 7 CTAs a week atm), war mechanics, grinding for isk, POS management. A brutally brilliant game over all, had to think hard to come up with anything bad. Ugly is just overcomplicated or in need of fidling, but ultimately working.
RAIN Arthie The Ascended Fleet Intrepid Crossing 123	Posted - 2013.10.09 13:37:00 - [42] - Quote I play becuase of graphics and I'm a sci fi nut. I also wish I was anywhere but on earth, eve gets me there.
Ubat Batuk Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.10.09 22:13:00 - [43] - Quote It's the skills system... wanting to unlock new things. That's why new solid content is required and new skills too, so that people like me remain interested. When you get towards the 100M SPs and you are specialised, you need something new to focus on. Integrate Dust moore deeply, it will be better for both sides.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3038	Posted - 2013.10.09 22:20:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: What does Eve do right? Provides a platform for people to get really angry with each other. That has to be a good thing, right? Get it all out in a virtual world. Keeps them from taking a tire iron to their neighbor IRL. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Angeal MacNova LankTech 83	Posted - 2013.10.09 22:45:00 - [45] - Quote Best mainsteam sandbox out there right now Best game market I've seen Good graphics CCP is producing WoD Online so maybe EVE players might get early access
Zappity Kurved Space 499	Posted - 2013.10.10 00:41:00 - [46] - Quote Fear of loss and satisfaction of gain. And it suits my casual playstyle. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 7	Posted - 2013.10.10 01:15:00 - [47] - Quote Three things primarily: 1. The social side I find it better than other games that have online multiplayer modes 2. Win and lose aspect serves my competitive streak 3. It's hard and there's no instawin
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 321	Posted - 2013.10.10 01:57:00 - [48] - Quote Just on the "do right" side - it lets one take a break for a while without the "cram for college exams" feel you get in other MMO's as you "catch up" and what not. It is extremely friendly to those with less dedicated time to play vs just your "hardcore" types that can grind in any MMO environment. We have those but they don't gain that much over the people with "less dedication" to R&R time.
Betty Bly State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:01:00 - [49] - Quote I like having the "choice" to do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want. The dumbing down, and hand-holding in most mmo's now days is out of control IMO.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD 68	Posted - 2013.10.10 02:27:00 - [50] - Quote Eve was my first MMO, so in my eyes there is Eve . . . and hotkey/toolbar/rotation based MMOs. Obviously I prefer the Eve side of things. Also it has nothing to do with me being addicted to it. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main!
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1368	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:05:00 - [51] - Quote If you have to ask what good does Eve do right.... can I have your stuff? See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Cult of War 1429	Posted - 2013.10.10 03:39:00 - [52] - Quote 1. Lore: EVE has some of the best sci-fi lore out there. In terms of quantity and quality, it's really only rivaled by by the big guys like Star Wars. 2. Open world: EVE functions like a true open world game. Whether you log on or not, things are changing and developing. You might wake up the next morning to find that a major alliance was toppled and suddenly vast tracts of space are up for grabs, or that there was a terrorist attack in Jita or something. 3. Economy: EVE certainly has the best economy out of ANY game, period. Really hard to argue with that. 4. Character progression: I don't have to grind endlessly just to get the next ship, yet I still feel rewarded when I eventually do get it. The skill system is perfect if you ask me. Every day I feel my character is a little bit better, yet still not good enough, which is an extremely addictive aspect to the game. 5. Absolutely brutal: EVE is a tough nut to crack. It's hard to learn and even harder to master. Yet that's what makes it awesome. Even when you've been playing for years and years you can still learn something new. 6. So many things to do: Simple, there's just a lot of stuff to do. You probably won't like all of it but it will take several years just to give all the playstyles and professions in EVE a fair amount of time to do everything. And considering that there is a new expansion roughly every 6 months, the list of things to try out may never end for those who really like to go deep and do everything to it's fullest extent. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Gorgoth24 Sickology Dead Terrorists 49	Posted - 2013.10.10 08:43:00 - [53] - Quote My favorite is sandbox pvp. You never know if you're the hunter or the hunted, and more often then not things go wrong. But, when they do, and you saw it coming and pulled through anyways, there's not a feeling like it. Second is definitely how money is handled. I'll never forget seeing that Moracha destroyed by that ishkur. A hundred billion in a limited-release ship killed (in large part) by a cheap ass ishkur with a pilot that knew his mechanics and flew his ship right. If that david vs goliath story doesn't sum up eve, I don't know what does. Last is progression. It's the combination of passive skilling, the fact that 70m sp isn't necessarily better then 7m sp (but you always feel the need to keep training because some fights are just that close), and how not all progression is done through game mechanics. Noobs can be directors, and bittervets can be grunts. Every moment is spent progressing your character in some way or another, and it can really make you feel proud of your EVE career. That's the highlights for me. But the true list goes on and on.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 516	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:50:00 - [54] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. Your first sentence probably turned it into both. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Xtreem Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition 165	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:56:00 - [55] - Quote Eve does a huge amount of things right, the problem people have is the mistakes they have made are huge, obvious and so easily avoidable.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 538	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:00:00 - [56] - Quote Kate stark wrote: character progression. Yes, I play Skill Queue Offline too. Now, you OP have asked a good question. Something I still can't answer
Velicitia Emergent Avionics 1667	Posted - 2013.10.10 12:25:00 - [57] - Quote Actually, it kind of reminds me of playing chess -- it's "easy" to learn the basics (guns to kill things, miners to mine, pawns only move forward and attack diagonally, Bishops only move diagonally, etc). But then there's a whole additional cliff to fall down -- if he does the Queen's Gambit, I counter with Albin's Counter Gambit or Slav Defense or ... Same as here with "We should bring damps or jammers to counter their logi that they brought because we're brawlers that we brought because they're snipers that they brought because ..." One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

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