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Memnon Shepard
Crimson Reavers
15
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Posted - 2013.10.10 09:02:00 -
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I think out of game rewards/incentives need to be used exclusively going forward. As much as I've tried to wrap my head around in-game gifts being used I canGÇÖt see it working without changing the game economy, power balances, etc. Even if it is in a minuscule way and limited to one microcosm of the game (best case scenario), it canGÇÖt be done without somehow warping what should be a player-controlled universe. IGÇÖm glad to see CCP is now interacting with the community and addressing the issue. The silence had me scared over the past few days! |

Kalindra Chan
The Omega Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.10.10 09:17:00 -
[332] - Quote
Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
I cannot think of any other game balance breaker in such huge proportions than this - sadly - sanctioned and even rewarded form of "to your face" cheating.
How can CCP who is so meticulous about even tiny exploitations let this facade go - is beyond all reason.
Out of game skills of running an organized website to suck insane amount of isk with zero mastery of in game skills??
WTF??! This is exploitation!
this!
thank you Molica! I'm a trap! |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
794
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Posted - 2013.10.10 09:18:00 -
[333] - Quote
Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
I cannot think of any other game balance breaker in such huge proportions than this - sadly - sanctioned and even rewarded form of "to your face" cheating.
How can CCP who is so meticulous about even tiny exploitations let this facade go - is beyond all reason.
Out of game skills of running an organized website to suck insane amount of isk with zero mastery of in game skills??
WTF??! This is exploitation!
that was funny. thanks  |

Prince Kobol
1030
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Posted - 2013.10.10 09:24:00 -
[334] - Quote
Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
I cannot think of any other game balance breaker in such huge proportions than this - sadly - sanctioned and even rewarded form of "to your face" cheating.
How can CCP who is so meticulous about even tiny exploitations let this facade go - is beyond all reason.
Out of game skills of running an organized website to suck insane amount of isk with zero mastery of in game skills??
WTF??! This is exploitation!
Please explain why it is both insane and illegal without all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth. |

Kalindra Chan
The Omega Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.10.10 09:57:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
I cannot think of any other game balance breaker in such huge proportions than this - sadly - sanctioned and even rewarded form of "to your face" cheating.
How can CCP who is so meticulous about even tiny exploitations let this facade go - is beyond all reason.
Out of game skills of running an organized website to suck insane amount of isk with zero mastery of in game skills??
WTF??! This is exploitation!
Please explain why it is both insane and illegal without all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth.
Insane, because of the huge amount of isk being made (shifted between players) without doing anything <- the scam (not illegal though)
Illegal, because you are not using the eve client but a "3rd party tool" which is not run by ccp I'm a trap! |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
794
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:12:00 -
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Kalindra Chan wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
Please explain why it is both insane and illegal without all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth. Insane, because of the huge amount of isk being made (shifted between players) without doing anything <- the scam (not illegal though) you mean it's wrong if i send some ISK to my friend? ("...isk shifted between players without doing anything...")
Kalindra Chan wrote:Illegal, because you are not using the eve client but a "3rd party tool" which is not run by ccp you mean i should be banned if i talked with my friend about future loan using my TS3 server and not Eve Client? (ISK is being moved through Eve client for sure in both cases) |

Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
330
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:17:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:As someone who knows of nobody who has received free secret stuff from CCP or anything remotely connected: Can we grow up please? So what, you didn't get a ship. Big whoop. They only affect the economy if you let them. Aka, if you choose to buy them. Otherwise, they're worth nothing more than the hangar shiny they're supposed to be.
Yep. And the minerals you mine are free! There's no such thing as opportunity cost or resale value! |

Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
165
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:46:00 -
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My main comment.
I understand CCP owns the sandpit that we have been provided to sculpt, we have so many ways to interact and to engage with other players, ship pvp, market pvp, traders, scammers the list is long so will cut it there. Regardless of the ship, the want to reintroduce G-Vex or the much new IWS, CCP you must know what releasing that when you release more limited edition ships you devalue the stock of traders and make peoples prize bling pvp ships less valuable? Even more so when you do so behind the scenes so people do not even know who their things are devalued!
My question is, why give us the sandbox if you are going to kick over our sandcastles? |

Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1299
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Posted - 2013.10.10 10:50:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Vigilant wrote:The only solution now is give a Ish Scorpion to everyone with a active account  Making the ones who bought the legitimate Scorps loses billions. By legitimate I mean those that were given them for actually doing something other than making trillions of isk through a betting website. Having a look at their site they're also offering free blinks if you buy a GTC which is kind of weird since if I offered to sell something on the net with the chance to win isk that would be trading isk for real life money in a roundabout way. That' an easy fix which I lay out here: They can just issue the original owners of the Ishukone Watch Scorpion a free gold magnate. Present owners of gold magnates can be offered free all expense paid trips to Iceland to compensate. If said trip winners are already the recipient of an all expense paid trip to Iceland conflicting with identical dates, then there may be a $25k cash option, which should not be construed as CCP trading in game assets directly for cash. This is different. If one person is eligible for more than one $25k cash option, then the player may, at his sole discretion, add the cash awards then multiply by 2. There are limited prizes available. For a tie-breaker mechanism, we have decided to choose a random description of a corp. If your corp matches this random description, you will win. We just drew the criteria out of a hat. If the first word in your corporation starts with an S, you win. If there is a further tie... Oh **** it, if your corp is spelled Somer Blink, you win. Wow we have a winner. I can'[t believe it- it's a friend of mine. What are the odds, with all these safeguards we put in place? I still don't get the requirement that I register on a third party website and give them my information to win a CCP prize. That would be like the president of the United States saying hey, this whole buying health insurance thing. Well, I have a buddy who works at XYZ Health Insurance Corp, and as president of the United States, I am telling you that the US government 100% supports this dude and knows he's a swell guy. So um, what you um need to um do is give my buddy all your personal info and I will enter you into a drawing to win free healthcare. Because of all the things this XYZ Health Insurance Corp does for the community, such as supporting the economy by buying TV ads, paying for lobbyists, etc, I am giving the employees of those companies free healthcare 100% funded by the dime of the taxpayer. You are upset at that? Let me go talk to some high priced consultants and get back with you in the next um, well sometime, and I'll tell you what you want to hear after we do some poll testing. Um gotta run, don't forget to pay your taxes due soon! edit* obviously I am kidding. But Andski and countless others have used analogies like this to drive the point home... the outrage is because of what was done not how it was communicated. Let's all understand that we can laugh about these things along with CCP and move forward. If anyone rage quits this game over a single decision or series of terrible decisions, instead of because they no longer like the... game.... then I don't know what to tell those people. I can eat a bowl of alphabet soup and **** a better argument then that! Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |

Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.10.10 11:05:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote: --Spawning people billions of ISK is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK in the form of otherwise unobtainable ships is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK because they are already super rich is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK secretly is wrong --Somer Blink is not a community website --Somer Blink is not a charity --Somer Blink is a business --"We got away with it before" is not an acceptable reason to continue doing the wrong thing --There were and are far more deserving people than Somer --Said people do not deserve billions of ISK anymore than Somer did
QFT and you go guy and/or girl! |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.10.10 11:32:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:A Research Alt wrote: --Spawning people billions of ISK is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK in the form of otherwise unobtainable ships is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK because they are already super rich is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK secretly is wrong --Somer Blink is not a community website --Somer Blink is not a charity --Somer Blink is a business --"We got away with it before" is not an acceptable reason to continue doing the wrong thing --There were and are far more deserving people than Somer --Said people do not deserve billions of ISK anymore than Somer did
QFT and you go guy and/or girl! Now that's how a True Alt speaks. |

Mishna Kharli
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:12:00 -
[342] - Quote
I really hope this won't be a $ 1000 Jeans "clarification". |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2446
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:43:00 -
[343] - Quote
The fact that it will be a "clarification" rather than a correction of a mistake is bad enough.
I don't need you to clarify anything, I can see what you did. I don't like what you did. You can't clarify me into liking it. |

DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
188
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:01:00 -
[344] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:The fact that it will be a "clarification" rather than a correction of a mistake is bad enough.
I don't need you to clarify anything, I can see what you did. I don't like what you did. You can't clarify me into liking it.
I think there are a lot of people who feel exactly this way. I happen to be one of them. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3017
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:24:00 -
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LOL nice
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Disdaine
442
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:47:00 -
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What an absolutely brilliant piece of satire. I share your sentiments, as I was sitting in my office and happened to peruse this most skillfully produced image macro I couldn't help bet give voice to the merriment contained within. I then shared this most hilarious of images with my co-workers and they too were unable to constrain their mirth.
Truly this is one picture that makes you LOL as you would put it.

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Pingu
Cosmos Butt Pirates
3
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:34:00 -
[347] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Molica Iwaira wrote:Just BAN this insane illegal isk pumping abomination called gambling sites... All of them!
I cannot think of any other game balance breaker in such huge proportions than this - sadly - sanctioned and even rewarded form of "to your face" cheating.
How can CCP who is so meticulous about even tiny exploitations let this facade go - is beyond all reason.
Out of game skills of running an organized website to suck insane amount of isk with zero mastery of in game skills??
WTF??! This is exploitation!
Please explain why it is both insane and illegal without all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth.
He could mean that the endorsement of lottery sites is illegal under Icelandic law. Might not be illegal, and I am not an Icelandic law expert, but not really the sort of thing you want to experiment with in a court.
http://eng.innanrikisraduneyti.is/laws-and-regulations/english/lotteries/
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
446
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:05:00 -
[348] - Quote
Cameron Freerunner wrote:It's fun to see how the posting dynamic changes when it's a dev thread. c'mon trolls, where you at?
Technically all threads belong to the Dev's...
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
726
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:10:00 -
[349] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhsZcxnwLB4 |

Careby
Careby Exploration
40
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:14:00 -
[350] - Quote
I can understand why CCP might prefer to give in-game gifts. They cost CCP virtually nothing (ignoring whatever design and coding it takes to create them, and ignoring any losses due to unforeseen repercussions among the customer base). And ignoring the existence of collectors willing to pay lots of isk for rare items, they would be harmless symbolic gestures. Surely the Scorpion Ishukone Watch gifts were not primarily intended by CCP to be ISK windfalls for the recipients.
But collectors do exist in the game, resulting in some pretty worthless-seeming items selling for some pretty fantastic amounts of ISK. To the average individual player, 15 billion iSK is quite a windfall.
So it seems to me that CCP should fully understand and take to heart that some of their players put a very high value on pixels, and when gifts are deemed appropriate, it might be less problematic to give out-of-game items. While some of us might not like CCP giving even an out-of-game gift to some particular organization or other for some arbitrary reason or other, I think very few of us would see it as a problem with the game. Unlike in-game marketable gifts, which will always be seen as having a potential effect on the level of the playing field.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4802
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:15:00 -
[351] - Quote
This is a peacetime reimbursable posting op. Please do not use any excessively blingy posting modules There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
726
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:19:00 -
[352] - Quote
This is the only way CCP can inject life into the Eve community, by outrage :) |

Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
18
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:21:00 -
[353] - Quote
Just an FYI, at the end of month CCP will be spawing rare ships, clothing and multi-billion ISK implants to certain people in secret. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
726
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:22:00 -
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Artimis Scout wrote:Just an FYI, at the end of month CCP will be spawing rare ships, clothing and multi-billion ISK implants to certain people in secret.
Citation required. |

Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
18
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:27:00 -
[355] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Artimis Scout wrote:Just an FYI, at the end of month CCP will be spawing rare ships, clothing and multi-billion ISK implants to certain people in secret. Citation required.
https://store.eve.com/collector-s-edition/eve-the-second-decade-collector-s-edition-116
Citation Given |

Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
331
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:32:00 -
[356] - Quote
Careby wrote:it might be less problematic to give out-of-game items.
What if they sell the out-of-game items for cash, and use that cash to convert PLEX to ISK? |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1249
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:36:00 -
[357] - Quote
Artimis Scout wrote:Just an FYI, at the end of month CCP will be spawing rare ships, clothing and multi-billion ISK implants to certain people in secret. ...which anybody can get and is in no way favoring any particular in-game group.
If you think this is an issue you still don't understand what the problem is. |

Careby
Careby Exploration
41
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:40:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Careby wrote:it might be less problematic to give out-of-game items.
What if they sell the out-of-game items for cash, and use that cash to convert PLEX to ISK?
What if a high-level CCP employee uses their salary to buy a new car, and the car dealer uses his profit on selling the car to buy his daughter EVE: The Second Decade Collector's Edition, and she trades the tattoo for ISK in-game?
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Orakkus
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
194
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:51:00 -
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A Research Alt wrote: --Spawning people billions of ISK is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK in the form of otherwise unobtainable ships is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK because they are already super rich is wrong --Spawning people billions of ISK secretly is wrong --Somer Blink is not a community website --Somer Blink is not a charity --Somer Blink is a business --"We got away with it before" is not an acceptable reason to continue doing the wrong thing --There were and are far more deserving people than Somer --Said people do not deserve billions of ISK anymore than Somer did
This is a manufactured crisis. CCP is a business and it has the right and, more importantly, the responsibility to take efforts to maintain good relations with organizations that improve the quality of the gaming experience for its customers. Somer Blink easily fits in that category, along with others like Chribba, Eve University, etc. Let's look at each one of these arguments that "A Research Alt" put together that so many people thoughtlessly "liked":
"Spawning people billions of ISK is wrong." B.S. - Oh really? Did you complain about the Gnosis? How about those nice and lovely implants that we got? Or about about the free Aurum? Everyone one of us has been a recipient of free isk. So no, its not wrong.
"Spawning people billions of ISK in the form of otherwise unobtainable ships is wrong." Why? Because you don't have the isk to buy one? They aren't unobtainable. In fact, they are now MORE obtainable since more are in the system. Just because you aren't space rich and can't get an otherwise useless ship doesn't automatically make something "wrong."
"Spawning people billions of ISK because they are already super rich is wrong." Wow. Really? Being space rich is a crime? Let me tell you something. Chribba, as a good example, is very space rich.. but considering how much he has done for CCP, I would not think twice if CCP gave him a one of a kind ship, or gifted him with a special prize every now and again.
"Spawning people billions of ISK is wrong." Maybe they wouldn't have to do is secretly if people used their heads to think rather than just stupid rage about what they didn't get.
"Somer Blink is not a community website" - Yes, it is. A large number of people in game play on Somer Blink and it is talked about a lot in game. So yeah, since the community likes to use it, it is a "community" website.
"Somer Blink is not a charity" - What does this have to do with anything? So what?
"Somer Blink is a Business" - Yep, a business no one is required to access, but quite a large number do for their own personal enjoyment. Their business model also brings a certain level of content to the game as well.
"We got away with it before" is not an acceptable reason to continue doing the wrong thing" - Since I already disproved what you think is "wrong", they really didn't get away with it.. because it WASN'T WRONG!!!
"There were and are far more deserving people than Somer" - Yep.. but oh wait, a lot of them are space rich so they are now suddenly disqualified because bad people have lots of ISK.
"Said people do not deserve billions of ISK anymore than Somer did" - Um, maybe you got caught up in what you were writing because this doesn't make sense. What "said people"? Are you talking about the "far more deserving ones"?
Stop feeding this garbage crisis. There are plenty of serious issues that CCP needs to work on. This CLEARLY isn't one of them. If you need one to be bothered by, go to the Terms of Service thread and voice frustrations there.. THAT is a serious issue. This issue is one that shows me who thinks they are sick with personal "entitlement" issues.
And let's be VERY clear.. you aren't entitled to anything. Even to play this game. He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:08:00 -
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Please, stick your tongue farther up CCP and Trebor's assholes. I don't think it's all the way in yet.
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