Batshit crazy is a relative term :) . Just because it sounds better than "Batshit unreasonable" .

You're not on the opposing side, so you might now see it, but I've been the subject of intense internet abuse ("I-I-A" the silent killer LOL) for defending a private company's right to do with it's imaginary ships as it please. Hell, a dude called me a nullbear yesterday. I'm SUPEr NULLBEAR thank you very much.

( Seriously, yea, people are acting crazy, When Dinsdale Pirahna, Tippia, Caliph Mohammed and the goons all agree on something, it means the coming of the end of the world, and I mean the real world, not just new eden.)

You sound like my liberal friends (yes I do have friends lol). I'm sorry if i don't share others belief in the idea that the world owes me something.

You're making a mistake here. I can't disallow anything (i'm not CCP Eterne lol), nor have I. I'm participating in a discussion.

It reminds me of a time when a dude I was disagreeing with told my I was denying him his "right to free speech". I told him that he has every right to speak, I have every right to call what he's saying dumb and vice versa.. No one is forcing the people who are upset about inferior scorps to read my posts, nor am I trying to change any minds.

Don't like the heat, stay away from fusion engines I always say.

You're making a mistake here. I can't disallow anything (i'm not CCP Eterne lol), nor have I. I'm participating in a discussion.

Well, to explain...

I like this game for it's conflict. For it's sandbox.

I like this game because CCP stays out of the way and lets players decide what to do.

CCP taking a hand into community affairs as they did (the execution of it) takes away from that. It starts to encourage people to pretend they are performing and trying to impress their parents, instead of learning how to co exist with their brother/sister (yes, a parental relationship is implied).

Please stop arguing with Jenn aSide thats what the last thread got locked over.

This "scandal" isn't that bad, it's a private company doling out their private (imaginary) property to people they want to (unlike the t20 thing were a guy was doing unauthorized things).

You sound like my liberal friends

(yes I do have friends lol).

GǪor, more accurately: you're dismissing the discussion as invalid because you personally are apathetic to the issues at hand, and you are stupidly trying to convince people that they should be apathetic as well for no adequate reason.

You claim to not care. Ok. Fine. Then don't care. Don't insult people who do just because they can present grievances that you can't respond to in your attempt to demonstrate how little you care.

I get that. I'm an anti-Themepark MMO player. But CCPs action doens't rise to the level of concern for me, even after analyzing the situation after sveral days of this "scandal". I understand that other people are different.

What I think irks me a bitt is the wiff on entitlement thinking, like somehow CCP has to tell everyone what it's doing or fit someone's arbitray idea of "fair" or "impartial". Not mad about it, but dissapointed is a good word.

Maybe it's me and I'm getting old, watching people freak out about monoclegate/incarna was fun, this time it's just kind of sad.

Maybe it's me and I'm getting old, watching people freak out about monoclegate/incarna was fun, this time it's just kind of sad.

no it wasn't; and this isn't an argument.

Maybe its time to biomass?

So those women that wanted equal rights were crying now? I didn't know voicing your opinion on something that you disagree with is now crying.. Stupid ******* christians need to shut the hell up then with their crying about that its wrong for a man to love a man and a woman to love a woman..

See, we can agree on something, (in-game) burn the heretic named stoogie! Well, if he can fly a heretic that is.

This is you projecting again. I'm not trying to persude people to my side.

Can you not see that your emotions are clouding what is otherwise excellent judgement?

Well, to be fair, I don't feel as strongly either.

But I can't fault someone for how strong they may feel.

I absolutely rush home to login every day after work, but for some reason I cannot bring myself to tell CCP I "love" them.

But others can lol.

/shrug

That happened in real life. that's why I say some of you are tooooo close to this game. CCP is not a government that owes you rights or equality or fairness. It's a business you enter into a business relation ship with for entertainment purposes.

We choose to enter into the business relationship, and the entertainment depends on, CCP staying within specified bounds when it comes to interfering in the game. I have no interest in paying to compete against alliances being gifted t2 bpos again.

No, it's not me projecting. It's me giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you're not actually trying to persuade people, you're just being abusive and dismissive for the hell of it. That's even worse. You're still not participating in the discussion GÇö you're just trolling.

You're projecting. You've become too emotionally attached to your supposed detachment, and it's obscuring your perception of what those judgements are and why it actually matters.

You have foolishly decided that thisabsolutely must be a matter of jealousy and entitlement, so you can dismiss it as silly and stupid, and you refuse to actually take into account how business and community interact and why this interaction is important for all parties involved.

As much as I have been against CCP's recent escapades, I have not and will not compare it to the T20 incident as it is no where near as bad.

To compare the two incidents is actually quite silly.

We choose to enter into the business relationship, and the entertainment depends on, CCP staying within specified bounds when it comes to interfering in the game. I have no interest in paying to compete against alliances being gifted t2 bpos again.

I don't really agree: Navigator gave two massive gifts to SOMER for no real apparent reason. The explanations that have been offered are transparently nonsense and I'm pretty much left with "SOMER are Navigator's buddies and he just gave them things because they're his buddies". SOMER isn't a fansite, it's an in-game business. And worst of all, it appears that there was no real oversight of this process and the CSM was cut out entirely when the entire reason the CSM was made was to oversee dumb things like this.

This sort of thing needs to be stepped on, hard. It's fortunate that it was not a nullsec alliance. However the value of the things given to SOMER well exceeds the value of the things T20 gave to BOB (even adjusting for inflation). It's the same scandal, it's just that we've lucked out at having a recipient of the random dev largesse that doesn't affect nullsec as much.

Yea, I know, shrug. I'm not faulting people for how they feel so much as I'm saying what they are feeling is wrong lol.

We do that everyday on this board when we tell high sec people they are wrong for feeling that high sec should be 100% safe or when we tell null sec people that they are wrong for feeling that that AFK cloaker in their ratting system is doing something horribly wrong.