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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 25/01/2006 15:47:58
 Originally by: GM Arkanon
...as long as they are made with ISK, I have no problem with them, nor do I accept that they necessarily constitute an unfair advantage, as the ISK needed to buy a character is not easy to come by for most players. Most importantly, it's allowed and not the issue here. The same goes with timecard sales.
I fear that if CCP manages to push RMT (thanks Rod) issues out of the game, we will just end up with a growing 'timecardBay.com' industry. As long as real money can be exchanged for in-game currency by some method or another.
What's to stop me selling 100m ISK for a 90-day timecard. Using that timecard myself. [bear with me] Then at a later date, buying a Raven with a seperate 90-day timecard? RMT it still exchanged for game items.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:52:00 -
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Well, that would be what GM Arkanon (sp) told us was not the subject of this blog and thus this thread.
The timecard debate can be held elsewhere, along with the isk=time one and the isk character transfer one.
Maybe you'd like to make a new thread ? Or you can use one of the old ones that live in the deep dungeons of this forum section by now. I linked to one on the subject of RMT at the bottom of page 21 of the stickified macro thread thinghy. Feel free to use that thread, may be old but at least it's still clean.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:01:00 -
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I would aggree with everything youve said but ccp allow you to trade real money for isk. A new player could easily enough just buy 5 time cards and get well over a bil in isk and even sell them on the smegging forums how the hell can u justify that then have a go at ebayers who are essentially doing the same thing just through different channels?
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:02:00 -
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Arkanonm I have a question.
I'm personally not against it, but your not allowing ISK buy because it makes the game unfair and unbalanced because you can gain ISK out of the game (I'm guessing thats the just of it).
How is this diffrent from people selling Game Time cards for ISK other than CCP getting the IRL cash for it instead of John Doe?
Again, I'm not attacking either point here, I'm just interested in how CCP see it as being diffrent?
Thanks
Swethren
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:03:00 -
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Ahhh.
What about selling timecards on eBay? Is that allowed?
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ahhh.
What about selling timecards on eBay? Is that allowed?
That would be the equivalent of some one selling time cards in a PC shop or Games shop, it's normal business.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, that would be what GM Arkanon (sp) told us was not the subject of this blog and thus this thread.
The timecard debate can be held elsewhere, along with the isk=time one and the isk character transfer one.
Maybe you'd like to make a new thread ? Or you can use one of the old ones that live in the deep dungeons of this forum section by now. I linked to one on the subject of RMT at the bottom of page 21 of the stickified macro thread thinghy. Feel free to use that thread, may be old but at least it's still clean.
They seem reluctant to address the issue character transfer isnt really xfering real life money for isk since your effectivly paying for the time invested in that character. The fact theres a fee from ccp to do it seems a little ebil but its just a service cost its not somthign that you can do with time cards and sell 100 characters with 20 mil sp like you could just do with time cards.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Swethren
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ahhh.
What about selling timecards on eBay? Is that allowed?
That would be the equivalent of some one selling time cards in a PC shop or Games shop, it's normal business.
Not exactly.
CCP can limit your legal ability to resell gametime if they so choose.
Anyway, the man said this was not the thread for these discussions. I thik you should move these questions elsewhere as I don't see any replies coming in this thread anymore this way.
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Neslo
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:17:00 -
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I say just think of us all as chinese and get back to coding fixes for issues. 
From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:18:00 -
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Regarding farming ops, I realize you need more evidence to ban them than players do to justify getting them can flagged and blowing up their ships. And of course, there's also not much point for you telling us exactly what you are looking for as it gives them a good tip on what to hide.
So considering this, does the GMs have any advice on how players should deal with farming ops in order to make your job easier?
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:22:00 -
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Yeah i agree with a few of the posts above about timecards .. its ridiculous imo as its a "lazy" way to gain an advantage, in your own words.
Basically its just ebay, but doesnt get you banned, and ive considreed leaving many times over it. A limit would be a sep forward imo..
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:25:00 -
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Why not take these ideas here instead of arguing about them in this thread.
If a GM tells you you're not welcome to discuss them here I'd expect you to listen harder tbh 
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:28:00 -
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Excellent stuff.
Though if it were me in charge, I'd perma-ban the buyers after the first offence as well.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 25/01/2006 16:38:57
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Excellent stuff.
Though if it were me in charge, I'd perma-ban the buyers after the first offence as well.
You need to go and look up some surveys about the percentage of players who use RMT services.
Also see my description earlier in the thread. You'd ban the 100 newbs? Try PROVING it wasn't a RMT deal... (When the guy who was banned said it was)
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi
Just this morning, I have permanently banned about 50 accounts for selling ISK and I have removed billions of ill gotten ISK from buyers.
<3 Grimmi
Keep it up GMs. Go Go Go! 
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:59:00 -
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It sounds like some of the staff and players have been reading some of the blogs regarding RMT over at Terra Nova. There is a lot of stuff there that is very interesting, if you're into the nuts and bolts of the gaming industry.
To those that have commented about the allowance of "ISK for gametime card" trades, that is a separate issue, and one that we are looking at internally. We realize that there are strong feelings against this allowance, but as with many other additions or allowances that have been made, there were unforeseen effects. For the time being, this is a system that will be allowed, but as I stated previously, it is under internal review.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.25 17:05:00 -
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Well yes, I have. I use my real name over there, though.
And while I'm aware of the issues surrounding time cards, if CCP remove the ability to sell them for ISK, they really need to make a far harder push to get the actual cards into shops.
I've never ever seen one in the UK. Are GameStation or GAME not interested?
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.25 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 25/01/2006 17:07:14
ebay is bad mmkay
yeah really
i mean, they left thier names in.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.25 17:55:00 -
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Ban with extreme prejudice
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
It sounds like some of the staff and players have been reading some of the blogs regarding RMT over at Terra Nova. There is a lot of stuff there that is very interesting, if you're into the nuts and bolts of the gaming industry.
To those that have commented about the allowance of "ISK for gametime card" trades, that is a separate issue, and one that we are looking at internally. We realize that there are strong feelings against this allowance, but as with many other additions or allowances that have been made, there were unforeseen effects. For the time being, this is a system that will be allowed, but as I stated previously, it is under internal review.
well, basically its the same issue as selling/buying from ebay.
to get isk for $$$ -> sell a timecode for isk
to get $$$ for isk -> buy timecode for isk, sell timecode on ebay
not mutch different and still cheating as stated in your blog.
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Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:15:00 -
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Can you make a "Cheaters banned since ..." counter so we can cheer at it first thing in the morning?
Good thing you post a blog about this issue. It has been too quiet in that matter for too long. 
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:18:00 -
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Why, if it's so easy to look up EVE Online items for sale on Ebay, that CCP doesn't have a little chat with Ebay?
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:22:00 -
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Lol i find myself in total agreement with arkanon for a change.
I totaly aprove of your stance and atitude towards people cheating the good and great of the eve community.
Iv'e made the point several times over the last few months.
Carry on arky, you and the gm team do a wonderfull job of upholding the eula
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:27:00 -
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Doesn't eBay remove MMO equipment auctions if the owner of the game asks them to?
Why hasn't CCP done this? Or if you guys have, why isn't it taking effect?
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 25/01/2006 18:48:31
A question for Arkanon, or one of the GMs...
...when you say you removed billions of ISK from the people who bought it, does that means that if the individuals in question had spent it, they ended up with incredibly negative wallet balances? 
Does this mean that they would be unable to make purchases, buy insurance, pay rent or mission collateral for a very, very long time? 
Does this consign them to a lifetime of mining? Oh how deliciously apt!
Please tell all about the practical effects of this on gameplay, for our additional pleasure. 
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Sapater
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:50:00 -
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Great job CCP. We are all glad you guys are taking the Iron Fist approach to ISK buyers/sellers.
Keep up the great job!!
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Kisaku
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:51:00 -
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Some type of law needs to be created here, saying that selling virtual items for cash is illegal. The owners of the mmorpg own that data, and just allow you on their servers.
After a law like this takes effect, ebay and every other big site that sells money, items, characters, etc... Would be forced to shut down.
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Blood Redd
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:19:00 -
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How do the innocent prove there innocence when they are banned? I'm sure that even ccp makes mistakes and bans the wrong people from time to time.
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Leno
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi
Just this morning, I have permanently banned about 50 accounts for selling ISK and I have removed billions of ill gotten ISK from buyers. Those who buy ISK are directly encouraging all kinds of illegal activity such as macroing, hacking and more so this, as GM Arkanon stated, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED and the buyers will face dire consequences as well as the sellers.
gimme?
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:27:00 -
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fry the ****s 
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