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Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:20:00 -
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Title says it all.
The cloaky camper issue has become so bad that there are entire constellations where most people have simply walked away. And they don't go to another constellation of nullsec, or even highsec - they have gone to War Thunder, WoW, and the Star Citizen beta.
EVE Online is being strangled by campy cloakers shutting down systems, and making it impossible to play. Add to that if you do play, you get hotdropped and killed by 5 to 10 black ops battleships, or if you have Pandemic, 2 or 3 Nyx. That would be fine, except having ganked they warp off to safes, cloak, then wait cloaked until they can get a new gank, or jump out.
There is no fight, no epic battle, just a gank then nothing more until another player undocks, gets ganked, and says screw this I'm playing a game that I can *play* not one that consists of everyone afk camping for weeks.
Solutions.
(1) Make cloaking devices require Heavy Water as fuel, which depletes at 25 per minute. Use your cloak wisely, it will run out.
(2) Make it that only Stealth Bombers can recloak while an engagement timer is active. Yes, I mean the 15 minute one. If you jump in your Nyx to gank someone, then they can scan you down and actually fight. PvP might happen, rather than gank and go.
(3) this is actually the most commonly discussed in our null alliance: we all go to Star Citizen the day it launches on the basis that the Devs have painted themselves into a gameplay corner now, such that in effect the Rogue Sneak Attack from World of Warcraft summarizes the state of 'pvp' in EVE Online, and things are simply going to go downhill from here on out for EVE. Do I ant that? No, not really. I like EVE. But I think there is a massive problem with instant alpha damage and hotdrop insta kills.
And don't get me wrong, I own two Redeemers, and mercilessly butcher people too. I just think there is neither challenge nor skill required for a lot of this game now, and the changes (1) and (2) above would improve things a lot.
And if nothing changes ... well there is always Star Citizen. Or Darkfall Unholy Wars, that has better pvp than EVE now, or at least will after the next massive balance patch. So yes CCP, shape up or watch this game wither and die.
And CSM ... do your job. The current suggestions from CCP are going down the track of increased alpha, shorter fight times. All that means is fewer players, because everyone stays in their POS / stations and logs out when you see an enemy scout, because you know the hotdrop is right behind them. With hindsight, adding instant travel was a massive mistake. But the map is so bad in EVE that it was needed ... so EVE is currently in this horrible design mess. At least the cloaking issue can be fixed by the simple and game-consistent mechanic of requiring a cloak to use fuel. That one simple change would make covert pilots need to use their brains ... and if afk all day, would lead to their deaths.
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:46:00 -
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If you want safety, go to highsec. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1383
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:13:00 -
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You have no in-game right to solo farm with your blinged out whatever.
make friends, get cheap ratting/pvp fits, farm stuff together
you will:
a) likely never get dropped b) have the ability to win/break tackle/inflict damage back/have fun even if you are dropped c) lose nothing of real value even if you are dropped and obliterated
Stop playing eve like every other mindless pve grindfest, and youll be just fine Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
448
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:52:00 -
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Please do explain how someone AFK is hurting you?
What you did was making a solution, then creating a problem that might apply. That's really a rubbish way of going about your daily business. In other words, please identify the actual problem, instead of stating that "everyone knows the problem" and that you can solve it. If "it" needs a solution, identify the problem "it" first.
It really is that easy. I wouldn't go "Hmm, now with these concrete roads and rubber bands and diesel moters and neat cars, I really want some humans to want to drive around in them ... !" So don't work backwards. Find the problem, then solve it.
Also, for a more practical reply you can work directly from, Varius Xeral applies too. |
wagashi
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:29:00 -
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This thread is late it's been a whole month since the last nerf cloaking thread.
Here we go:
All covert ops ships are made of glass
Their survival depends on hitting when the opponent is not ready
Local prevents surprise attacks
sitting idle counteracts local
No you may not have risk free ratting in null
that about covers it. If you contract me your stuff I'll put it to good use. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1232
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:40:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:If you want safety, go to highsec.
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Titus Balls
Stay Frosty.
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Posted - 2013.10.11 09:32:00 -
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I love how I went away for three years, came back a few months ago and people are still complaining about this......
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Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
111
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:49:00 -
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Titus Balls wrote:I love how I went away for three years, came back a few months ago and people are still complaining about this......
And still claiming that will EvE will die because of it.... |
admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
612
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:12:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:The cloaky camper issue has become so bad...
What issue? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:28:00 -
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When the pimp's in the crib ma Drop it like it's hot Drop it like it's hot Drop it like it's hot
When the pigs try to get at ya Park it like it's hot Park it like it's hot Park it like it's hot
And if a ***** get a attitude Pop it like it's hot Pop it like it's hot Pop it like it's hot
I got the rolly on my arm and I'm pouring Chandon And I roll the best weed cause I got it going on |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1136
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:09:00 -
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I love how their entire premise predicates on their absurd assertion that EVE is dying because of afk cloaking, and afk cloaking only. Gotta love the name dropping of Star Citizen too.
To the OP:
Get over it, and get over yourself. You are a coward. You don't belong in nullsec, wormhole space, lowsec, or any other kind of "lawless space", as these areas are frequently described.
Go back to highsec, and hide behind CONCORD, since other people scare you so much. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:04:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:
And still claiming that will EvE will die because of it....
Have you seen the price of PLEX lately?
The fewer people buying PLEX off CCP, the higher the price goes. Newer players buy PLEX off CCP. Veterans just rat more.
Based on the price of PLEX, CCP is losing new players more than ever. Unless CCP gives real stats, then yes all I have to go on is falling total online, falling numbers in Amarr, and increased numbers of alliance members playing other games. Give us the real player data and fess up CCP, you know cloakers and hotdrops are hurting the game playerbase or they would not be lined up for major adjustments in the next expansion.
For those who have trouble holding large sentences:
PvP yes. Hotdrops yes. AFK cloaky camping for days, no.
Make cloaks take heavy water as fuel. 25/minute. It will run out eventually, problem solved. |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
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Posted - 2013.10.12 02:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:.
To the OP:
Get over it, and get over yourself. You are a coward. You don't belong in nullsec, wormhole space, lowsec, or any other kind of "lawless space", as these areas are frequently described.
Go back to highsec, and hide behind CONCORD, since other people scare you so much.
So in other words, you want me to not play. Got it.
That is PRECISELY THE PROBLEM - this game is a niche game, and due to game design decisions the MAJORITY of the players who DO play are EXCLUDED from 50% of the game. Why do you think people quit EVE? And do you REALLY think new players looking for a space game are going to join EVE Online, a 10 year old game with a perception of a vile anti-new-player community, or a fresh game called Star Citizen?
Wake up, troll, and realize that you are indeed part of why EVE Online is at a critical point now. I want this game to continue to grow and deepen into the original concept. But lets get real here - if new players stop joining, and old players keep leaving, EVE Online will not 'die; as such, but it will be CCP's number three or four game in terms of design effort and marketing. They will keep it ticking over but forget about real improvements: if you want those, buy Valkyrie, Dust, or World of Darkness?
So yes, use your brain people. Not your in-game troll personas. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4820
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Posted - 2013.10.12 04:30:00 -
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eve is real. this is part of the game
the final boss of eve is eve There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
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Posted - 2013.10.12 11:35:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:eve is real. this is part of the game
the final boss of eve is eve
Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
111
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Posted - 2013.10.12 11:57:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:eve is real. this is part of the game
the final boss of eve is eve Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies.
Well then can I have your stuff? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12076
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:13:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:eve is real. this is part of the game
the final boss of eve is eve Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies.
yes after 10 years of growth, THIS is the year that cloaky ships will kill EVE because
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1386
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:48:00 -
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...because of plex Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:17:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:The fewer people buying PLEX off CCP, the higher the price goes. Newer players buy PLEX off CCP. Veterans just rat more.
I don't know about that. I think that gaining ISK has become easier than ever, so more people are able to buy PLEX. Which reduces supply and increases demand at the same time. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1100
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Posted - 2013.10.12 17:46:00 -
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Bye, have fun playing a game that won't be out for about another two years when you don't get your way in EVE: Online. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
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Naj Panora
Ton Of Bricks Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.10.12 21:50:00 -
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It is not cloaky afk'er that are the problem. It's cloaky people who like me run 2-3 monitors and 2-3 accounts (for you that can't do math that's one account per screen). They can sit in a system at a belt and not really be doing anything on that screen while making their isk on another screen and when a miner or ratter shows up open a blops bridge. While not really afk the toon is effectively afk because it is not actively being played. When we talk about afk cloakers this is what we are talking about. People who are not actively playing a toon can easily gank people who are. Giving us scan probes so cloakers at least have some threat from those of us who wish to hunt them. I wish the new cyno jammer worked on covert cyno to make it a little more dangerous to use them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.13 00:23:00 -
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Quote:due to game design decisions the MAJORITY of the players who DO play are EXCLUDED from 50% of the game.
Oh, you definitely have some proof of that, right? I mean, especially as how EVE subscriptions are still riding close to an all time high, and all. It couldn't possibly be something you just told yourself to assuage your carebear sentiments to thinking you're part of some kind of moral majority.
Or, wait, yes, it is. Just like every other whiny carebear who comes onto these forums and tries to spout off the same lie about how X% of all players are highsec crybabies too.
Here's a shocker for you. You don't speak for a damn person in this game besides yourself. No. one. else.
And if my attitude is why you're going to go off and play Star Citizen, fine, have fun(clearly, you don't like the game in the first place). But to try and tell me "I'll quit, and all my carebear friends will quit with me because I don't get what I want" is not only wishful, delusional thinking, but the entire history of this game is one giant proof against it all. Oh, and it's supremely childish to boot.
If it mattered to the game at all that people like you quit because you don't get your way, it would have died a long time ago. Thin skinned weaklings quit this game every day, and the servers keep running, the world still turns, and time marches on.
You don't matter. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
342
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:52:00 -
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Time after time we get thread after thread on this subject from ISK obsessed, risk averse players that believe they are entitled to go about their farming without risk, care or precaution.
If AFK cloaking was going to kill EvE it would have done it a long time ago. Abandon your scaremongering , selfishness and your needy entitlement and try developing a backbone, you might find you actually enjoy the game rather than cowering in station. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.15 16:04:00 -
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Internet tough guys detected. Don't Panic.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1413
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Posted - 2013.10.15 16:38:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Internet tough guys detected.
Betting than being an internet crybaby. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
113
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Posted - 2013.10.15 16:51:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Internet tough guys detected. Betting than being an internet crybaby.
Not really, as most internet tough guys usually turn out to be sad pathetic losers in real life. Don't Panic.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1413
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Posted - 2013.10.15 17:14:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Internet tough guys detected. Betting than being an internet crybaby. Not really, as most internet tough guys usually turn out to be sad pathetic losers in real life.
And internet crybabies masculine paragons of virtue? Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
122
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:32:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Time after time we get thread after thread on this subject from ISK obsessed, risk averse players that believe they are entitled to go about their farming without risk, care or precaution.
If AFK cloaking was going to kill EvE it would have done it a long time ago. Abandon your scaremongering , selfishness and your needy entitlement and try developing a backbone, you might find you actually enjoy the game rather than cowering in station.
AFK cloaking is not killing Eve, but it sure does not help, but before I get started on that, lets just point out that when I first went to 0.0 I went to NPC 0.0, and was operating in a contested system, therefore while a cloaky camper is annoying I can operate around them and like to kill them when they decide to get back to the KB and actually try to prove something. The key thing is of course to work out what you are facing or likely to fight, for example once in Cobalt Edge I ratted with a red Arazu cloaked up in system in my carrier, but I was with two other carriers and we were triage fit and we knew just how many they could bring in on us, of course they went elsewhere.
Most people who start in hisec and go to 0.0 do so as part of a group that rents, credit should be given to them for leaving hisec, however they often make poor strategic choices like renting a single -1.00 system, here is the rub, they go to 0.0 expecting to make ISK and have fun, instead they have an unknown risk that can drop a unknown amount of DPS on them, as they are not used to this, having worked with hisec rules of stay docked up they of course do that. Often when one tells them to make better strategic decisions about renting multiple systems, or to go out and belt rat in cheap ships they decide that level 4's are better. However at this point I give them credit for at least trying and perhaps staying in system in the vain hope that the cloaky camper will go away... If they try to stick with it they just tend to log in and then go do something else, and its this point where the danger rests, I know 6 people personally that started doing just that and then after a while said to themselves lets concentrate on the something else and left Eve. You being the tough guy that you are, are likely to ask for their stuff and go back to WOW, but CCP loses a client, who may have developed into a 0.0 F1 killing machine, sadly we shall never know.
And this young man is the issue, Eve is not dying, but it sure as hell is not growing either.
Now on a number of AFK cloaky threads I was told by the get rid of local brigade that with local being the perfect tool people did the AFK cloaky thing to have a chance to kill something, however now we have fast warping interceptors that are immune to bubbles, lets see if they are correct, my feeling is that those AFK claoky campers will still be there because most of the players who do it are just lame and are not up to screaming around in interceptors having a blast, anyway we shall see! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
344
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:07:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:And this young man is the issue
Appreciate that, its been over thirty years since anyone called me young man
As to the rest, even if you are new to 0.0 you can at least take intelligent precautions and you should have researched more than the ISK/hr you can make from a system. If you aren't prepared to make an effort to learn about possible hazards and continue to act as if you are living in the HiSec cradle I have no sympathy. When I started out in 0.0 the corp I was with used the standing fleet and active comms system, any problems everyone else in system could warp in to help out. We baited cloaky campers so hard they stopped bothering for the most part because if they landed on one of my corp mates they knew help was inbound.
We didn't always win, sometimes we ran and sometimes we died but our default action was to do something ourselves rather than crawl to the forums and whine how we couldn't undock for three days because there was a red in local watching Netflix. It was also a hell of a lot more fun.
I am no tough guy and players leaving EvE over this type of issue saddens me, it diminishes the game. I am just very tired of people expecting CCP to alter the game to suit their revenue stream rather than adapting and engaging with the game and actually doing something for themselves. I have lost major revenue and business opportunities over the years, some through mechanics changes and some through player actions and I have never felt the need to moan about it on the forums or cried to CCP to pick me up and dust me off. I have picked myself up and got on with the job of rebuilding, the challenge drove me on.
Finally, Interceptor V is in training as we speak and I'm looking forward to the old "Sweep and Burn" intie swarm being considerably more effective than it was. I never could be bothered AFK cloaking myself, I've always preferred a more active playstyle. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
122
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Posted - 2013.10.16 12:53:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Dracvlad wrote:And this young man is the issue Appreciate that, its been over thirty years since anyone called me young man As to the rest, even if you are new to 0.0 you can at least take intelligent precautions and you should have researched more than the ISK/hr you can make from a system. If you aren't prepared to make an effort to learn about possible hazards and continue to act as if you are living in the HiSec cradle I have no sympathy. When I started out in 0.0 the corp I was with used the standing fleet and active comms system, any problems everyone else in system could warp in to help out. We baited cloaky campers so hard they stopped bothering for the most part because if they landed on one of my corp mates they knew help was inbound. We didn't always win, sometimes we ran and sometimes we died but our default action was to do something ourselves rather than crawl to the forums and whine how we couldn't undock for three days because there was a red in local watching Netflix. It was also a hell of a lot more fun. I am no tough guy and players leaving EvE over this type of issue saddens me, it diminishes the game. I am just very tired of people expecting CCP to alter the game to suit their revenue stream rather than adapting and engaging with the game and actually doing something for themselves. I have lost major revenue and business opportunities over the years, some through mechanics changes and some through player actions and I have never felt the need to moan about it on the forums or cried to CCP to pick me up and dust me off. I have picked myself up and got on with the job of rebuilding, the challenge drove me on. Finally, Interceptor V is in training as we speak and I'm looking forward to the old "Sweep and Burn" intie swarm being considerably more effective than it was. I never could be bothered AFK cloaking myself, I've always preferred a more active playstyle.
Now you are my type of player, I admit to having a moan recently about unified accounts and the ease of meta gaming due to the lack of account linking, but that was more to do with the penny dropping that what I was intending to do was just not worth doing with that structural issue, thankfully CCP setup something that I wanted to have for a long time, the Personal structure and that has kept me in the game, I just hope that CCP do not make it too big and bulky and too easy to scan down...
I too am fed up with cloaky AFK threads, but I get more irritated by the people trying to downplay it, coming out with stupid things like he is not dangerous if AFK, its so ******** its painful because how the hell do you know that they are AFK. Like you I have operated against them and got some great kills and seen a fair few move to other systems because of the lack of joy they had with me. But the thing is that I can laregly play when I want, pity those poor people who have a limited time to play, they are on a hiding to nothing, I really can't blame them for doing Incursions and level 4's or leaving the game, I hate doing incusrions and level 4's, the only PvE I enjoy is in 0.0 because of the risk element... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
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