If you want safety, go to highsec.

I love how I went away for three years, came back a few months ago and people are still complaining about this......

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad...

And still claiming that will EvE will die because of it....

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To the OP:

Get over it, and get over yourself. You are a coward. You don't belong in nullsec, wormhole space, lowsec, or any other kind of "lawless space", as these areas are frequently described.

Go back to highsec, and hide behind CONCORD, since other people scare you so much.

eve is real. this is part of the game

the final boss of eve is eve

Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies.

Then like all games before it, EVE will wither until it eventually dies.

The fewer people buying PLEX off CCP, the higher the price goes.
Newer players buy PLEX off CCP. Veterans just rat more.

due to game design decisions the MAJORITY of the players who DO play are EXCLUDED from 50% of the game.

Internet tough guys detected.

Betting than being an internet crybaby.

Not really, as most internet tough guys usually turn out to be sad pathetic losers in real life.

Time after time we get thread after thread on this subject from ISK obsessed, risk averse players that believe they are entitled to go about their farming without risk, care or precaution.

If AFK cloaking was going to kill EvE it would have done it a long time ago. Abandon your scaremongering , selfishness and your needy entitlement and try developing a backbone, you might find you actually enjoy the game rather than cowering in station.

And this young man is the issue

Appreciate that, its been over thirty years since anyone called me young man

As to the rest, even if you are new to 0.0 you can at least take intelligent precautions and you should have researched more than the ISK/hr you can make from a system. If you aren't prepared to make an effort to learn about possible hazards and continue to act as if you are living in the HiSec cradle I have no sympathy. When I started out in 0.0 the corp I was with used the standing fleet and active comms system, any problems everyone else in system could warp in to help out. We baited cloaky campers so hard they stopped bothering for the most part because if they landed on one of my corp mates they knew help was inbound.

We didn't always win, sometimes we ran and sometimes we died but our default action was to do something ourselves rather than crawl to the forums and whine how we couldn't undock for three days because there was a red in local watching Netflix. It was also a hell of a lot more fun.

I am no tough guy and players leaving EvE over this type of issue saddens me, it diminishes the game. I am just very tired of people expecting CCP to alter the game to suit their revenue stream rather than adapting and engaging with the game and actually doing something for themselves. I have lost major revenue and business opportunities over the years, some through mechanics changes and some through player actions and I have never felt the need to moan about it on the forums or cried to CCP to pick me up and dust me off. I have picked myself up and got on with the job of rebuilding, the challenge drove me on.

Finally, Interceptor V is in training as we speak and I'm looking forward to the old "Sweep and Burn" intie swarm being considerably more effective than it was. I never could be bothered AFK cloaking myself, I've always preferred a more active playstyle.

Remove cloaked ships from local. Problem solved.

You have all my upvotes sir.

Talking about upvotes you have applied two there, but I notice that when you post you often have a single up vote, I wonder how that is happening, are you really that insecure that you must upvote your own posts with your other account, I noticed it on almost every inane post you have made, you sir are most amusing...

I Must admit that this has crossed my mind. But really its part of the game. We play in a giant sandbox. What do you really expect? People are free to do anything they want anywhere. You either quit the game or you learn to play it.

Maybe people keep bringing it up because there is truth to what they are saying.

Cloaking mechanics heavily favor the aggressor when coupled with hot drop mechanics (which ruined the game a long time ago IMO)

Cloak's requiring the use of fuel, capacitor, or an ability to probe them down over time if they are sat at zero or some similar idea are actually decent suggestions

cloaks should be powerful, but i shouldn't be able to cloak forever in one spot and collect intel forever.

Not really, it is folk that generally afraid of the dark and and the unknown.

Yes that is your opinion and puking an opinion based on your own fears, is not only fantastic, but you have just gave EvE more credibility.

What game can you play that allows other players to screw with the person with in the game and mind **** them out of game.

Fine allow the cloaker fire when cloaked. Because as you know the person can not attack nor defend.

Right, when you dock, you get no local.

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad .

And the local channel benefits both the attacker and the resident. The attacker does not waste time looking around in a system when he is the only one in local.

So using the local intel as justification for why afk cloaking just doesn't hold water.

Good. So would you simply removing local and this would be balanced? Both, attacker/ganker and ratter/miner benefit of it in the same way? So could be just removed and we had the same balance as now. Are you sure?

Title says it all.

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad that there are entire constellations where most people have simply walked away. And they don't go to another constellation of nullsec, or even highsec - they have gone to War Thunder, WoW, and the Star Citizen beta.

EVE Online is being strangled by campy cloakers shutting down systems, and making it impossible to play. Add to that if you do play, you get hotdropped and killed by 5 to 10 black ops battleships, or if you have Pandemic, 2 or 3 Nyx. That would be fine, except having ganked they warp off to safes, cloak, then wait cloaked until they can get a new gank, or jump out.

There is no fight, no epic battle, just a gank then nothing more until another player undocks, gets ganked, and says screw this I'm playing a game that I can *play* not one that consists of everyone afk camping for weeks.

Solutions.

(1) Make cloaking devices require Heavy Water as fuel, which depletes at 25 per minute. Use your cloak wisely, it will run out.

(2) Make it that only Stealth Bombers can recloak while an engagement timer is active. Yes, I mean the 15 minute one. If you jump in your Nyx to gank someone, then they can scan you down and actually fight. PvP might happen, rather than gank and go.

(3) this is actually the most commonly discussed in our null alliance: we all go to Star Citizen the day it launches on the basis that the Devs have painted themselves into a gameplay corner now, such that in effect the Rogue Sneak Attack from World of Warcraft summarizes the state of 'pvp' in EVE Online, and things are simply going to go downhill from here on out for EVE. Do I ant that? No, not really. I like EVE. But I think there is a massive problem with instant alpha damage and hotdrop insta kills.

And don't get me wrong, I own two Redeemers, and mercilessly butcher people too. I just think there is neither challenge nor skill required for a lot of this game now, and the changes (1) and (2) above would improve things a lot.

And if nothing changes ... well there is always Star Citizen. Or Darkfall Unholy Wars, that has better pvp than EVE now, or at least will after the next massive balance patch. So yes CCP, shape up or watch this game wither and die.

And CSM ... do your job. The current suggestions from CCP are going down the track of increased alpha, shorter fight times. All that means is fewer players, because everyone stays in their POS / stations and logs out when you see an enemy scout, because you know the hotdrop is right behind them. With hindsight, adding instant travel was a massive mistake. But the map is so bad in EVE that it was needed ... so EVE is currently in this horrible design mess. At least the cloaking issue can be fixed by the simple and game-consistent mechanic of requiring a cloak to use fuel. That one simple change would make covert pilots need to use their brains ... and if afk all day, would lead to their deaths.

Title says it all.

Talking about upvotes you have applied two there, but I notice that when you post you often have a single up vote, I wonder how that is happening, are you really that insecure that you must upvote your own posts with your other account, I noticed it on almost every inane post you have made, you sir are most amusing...

Soon another "eve/WoW" will take the lead and when CCP goes to play the numbers they will have to follow the money, it is a business, and they must turn a profit.

Making good posts is detrimental to the game, I hope you enjoy dying ccp when ~vaporware product of this week~ comes out lol

Get rid of null outpost AFK'rs and I'll be happy to listen to the whines about cloaky AFK's. At least we're in space, if the client crashes or net disconnects we uncloak and sit in space for 30 seconds, able to be probed.

Title says it all.

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad that there are entire constellations where most people have simply walked away. And they don't go to another constellation of nullsec, or even highsec - they have gone to War Thunder, WoW, and the Star Citizen beta.

the point is in eve there is always a counter to everything there is no counter for a cloak it should have to use a fuel to keep active it stupid that you cant probe them done either it does need to be fixed

Title says it all.

The cloaky camper issue has become so bad that there are entire constellations where most people have simply walked away. And they don't go to another constellation of nullsec, or even highsec - they have gone to War Thunder, WoW, and the Star Citizen beta.

EVE Online is being strangled by campy cloakers shutting down systems, and making it impossible to play. Add to that if you do play, you get hotdropped and killed by 5 to 10 black ops battleships, or if you have Pandemic, 2 or 3 Nyx. That would be fine, except having ganked they warp off to safes, cloak, then wait cloaked until they can get a new gank, or jump out.

There is no fight, no epic battle, just a gank then nothing more until another player undocks, gets ganked, and says screw this I'm playing a game that I can *play* not one that consists of everyone afk camping for weeks.

Solutions.

(1) Make cloaking devices require Heavy Water as fuel, which depletes at 25 per minute. Use your cloak wisely, it will run out.

(2) Make it that only Stealth Bombers can recloak while an engagement timer is active. Yes, I mean the 15 minute one. If you jump in your Nyx to gank someone, then they can scan you down and actually fight. PvP might happen, rather than gank and go.

(3) this is actually the most commonly discussed in our null alliance: we all go to Star Citizen the day it launches on the basis that the Devs have painted themselves into a gameplay corner now, such that in effect the Rogue Sneak Attack from World of Warcraft summarizes the state of 'pvp' in EVE Online, and things are simply going to go downhill from here on out for EVE. Do I ant that? No, not really. I like EVE. But I think there is a massive problem with instant alpha damage and hotdrop insta kills.

And don't get me wrong, I own two Redeemers, and mercilessly butcher people too. I just think there is neither challenge nor skill required for a lot of this game now, and the changes (1) and (2) above would improve things a lot.

And if nothing changes ... well there is always Star Citizen. Or Darkfall Unholy Wars, that has better pvp than EVE now, or at least will after the next massive balance patch. So yes CCP, shape up or watch this game wither and die.

And CSM ... do your job. The current suggestions from CCP are going down the track of increased alpha, shorter fight times. All that means is fewer players, because everyone stays in their POS / stations and logs out when you see an enemy scout, because you know the hotdrop is right behind them. With hindsight, adding instant travel was a massive mistake. But the map is so bad in EVE that it was needed ... so EVE is currently in this horrible design mess. At least the cloaking issue can be fixed by the simple and game-consistent mechanic of requiring a cloak to use fuel. That one simple change would make covert pilots need to use their brains ... and if afk all day, would lead to their deaths.

An active cloaky camper is either eyes for a fleet/someone else or after easy kills, if you do not feed them easy kills they will go away. If they are AFK then they cannot hurt you, what you are fearing is what MAY happen, theyGÇÖll suddenly uncloak next to you and cyno in a world of hurt. But again, donGÇÖt feed them easy kills and they will go away. (generally :))

Man... you null sec people wouldn't last two seconds mining in high sec.

People warping in and out of local, never knowing if they're going to jump you. Being in a ship that's designed to not be able to fight back...

You would be a nervous wreck just undocking in your hulk...


Also no, you can't have risk free gameplay.

Except for the part where Concord will drop on them like a bag of bricks if they try anything.

Except for the part where Concord will drop on them like a bag of bricks if they try anything.

CONCORD is not risk, it doesn't prevent anything and it's exactly quantifiable, you know exactly the outcome of CONCORD.

100% chance of the feds showing up to blap me means I can quantify the exact risk of losing my ship in a gank, so yes, it most certainly exists.

This keeps getitng posted about because the current afk mechanic is a pos - unbalanced and stops pvp & pve content. CCP have never posted on this topic for 10 years - a disgrace. There have been tens of sensible ideas that provide a way for cloaking to add content - so many wasted opportunities

Please dont post the dumb 'Someone who is afk can't harm you' or the ludicrous 'Remove local' arguements

I love how their entire premise predicates on their absurd assertion that EVE is dying because of afk cloaking, and afk cloaking only. Gotta love the name dropping of Star Citizen too.

To the OP:

Get over it, and get over yourself. You are a coward. You don't belong in nullsec, wormhole space, lowsec, or any other kind of "lawless space", as these areas are frequently described.

Go back to highsec, and hide behind CONCORD, since other people scare you so much.

You have no in-game right to solo farm with your blinged out whatever.

I am not against cloaky camping but i would like to see a counter to cloaks in general as i do think it is a bit broken like making it cost capacitor or charges like nanite paste the fuel is small but it also gives another way to weed them out and also make it so they can not log on and leave.

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