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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:20:00 -
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Has anyone ever seen a Megathron with 425mm rails get 100% accuracy on a Claw at 35km with 1000m/s transversal? (AB not MWD so no big sig)
I have - and not to happy about it.
According to the math, it is impossible. Even with level 5 everything, nice hardwirings, multiple tracking comps, etc.
Yet after two different encounters with a certain player X, our gang has lost multiple small sig craft, short range and high trans, to his large 425mm rails.
I have quite a bit of experience with large gunnery. And I know damn well that they cannot hit a 25 sig ship with 1k trans. There is no way in hell. Maybe a lucky hit, sure, I'll humor that. But near 100% accuracy? I call exploit/cheat.
Comments? Similar experiences?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:28:00 -
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You 100% sure that it was 1000m/s transversal, cause indeed that's impossible.
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:33:00 -
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Yep
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:36:00 -
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There is allways a chance anyone hits. And with enough dmg mods 425's hit very hard.
The chance is utterly small, but there is one ;)
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sallyr
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Niki Silver
Yet after two different encounters with a certain player X,
i bet its them dam hacking -V- again  bet they have an aim bot or something
ive been in a mega b4 and there pritty mint ships, but at 1000 trans ill admit thats pritty dam tricky
i say BAN STICK !!!!! 
cos we all knoz they is teh hac!!!
(warning all views expressed in this post are that of a mad hamster)
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.26 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
There is allways a chance anyone hits. And with enough dmg mods 425's hit very hard.
The chance is utterly small, but there is one ;)
Nope, there's situations where you will never ever hit, 35km 25sig 1000m/s transversal target with a 425 is one of those situations.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:03:00 -
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Perfectly wrecks - always hit. No matter how far are you, what is your transversal, etc. There is always small chance, to hit target, even when its impossible, according to math. Devs haven`t fixed this bug.
You said, that you lost lots of ships, i doubt, that this pilot is so lucky. May be time for petition ?
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Tryvus
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Maybe you were being painted? Not even sure if that gives the target any indication, just a thought.
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:38:00 -
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you could have been target painted and some one could have been using tracking links?
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:40:00 -
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target painters?
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MellaRinn
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:46:00 -
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what about tracking t2 ammo bonuses? tracking links (as mentioned above) and tracking comps combined...
I dont know your exact situation well enough, but t2 ammo IS deadly 
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:49:00 -
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You need loads of target painters, to bring intie sig radius to even cruiser size. But it`s possible.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Cardassius
There is allways a chance anyone hits. And with enough dmg mods 425's hit very hard.
The chance is utterly small, but there is one ;)
Nope, there's situations where you will never ever hit, 35km 25sig 1000m/s transversal target with a 425 is one of those situations.
How did you manage a transversal of 1000m/s at 35km? Thats pretty hard.
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Ilmonstre
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Posted - 2006.01.26 11:57:00 -
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well what about a support ship next to him boosting his tracking
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.26 12:00:00 -
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Sounds like a bug to me.
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Afir Heiden
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Posted - 2006.01.26 12:03:00 -
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actually claw with actived MWD+ 4painters on it will have the sig.radius like a BS ...sorry but it is so ... |
Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.26 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 26/01/2006 12:06:28
Originally by: Afir Heiden
actually claw with actived MWD+ 4painters on it will have the sig.radius like a BS ...sorry but it is so ...
Originally by: Niki Silver
(AB not MWD so no big sig)
Not reading the OP is bad, mmkay?
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:23:00 -
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maybe, instead of instantly pointing the finger accusing someone of hacking, you should stfu and look at what he could have been using.
named target painters?
were you using a mwd?
did he have tracking mods?
maybe he has maxed tracking skills?
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:30:00 -
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Actually the tracking computer math presented in game is still flawed, the numbers do not work out to the formulae the devs posted about the stacking changes. Post RMR some optimal range and tracking was lost due to the change but not much.
As for being hit at 35 km with 1000 transversal, I definately would have hit you with my 1400s so I imagine it would be no problem whatsoever for the better tracking 425s to hit you. Don't believe me? As a recent example there is I believe a ASCN covert ops pilot who thought scramblimg my machariel for his alt/main in an apoc was a good idea. He got popped at less then 5km(with the 1400s), can dig up the killmail if you desire and you can go ask him...
My current record is about 75% accuracy at 200km(minimal range is about 2km, depending on transversal, but get that close and you eat a smartbomb anyways :p) with 3500 transversal, but thats with a support ship boosting me, usually its about 1500 transversal as a limit without it. Good gunnery skills, ship tracking bonus(Mach has same tracking as Mega) and maybe a tracking computer thrown in there somewhere will get your frigate popped, mwd or no mwd... Hehe mwds are just suicidal
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Revoker
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
maybe, instead of instantly pointing the finger accusing someone of hacking, you should stfu and look at what he could have been using.
named target painters?
were you using a mwd?
did he have tracking mods?
maybe he has maxed tracking skills?
Reading the original post ftw 
Anyway I've seen bugs where the dmg mods on guns are insanely high, maybe his tracking was bugged. If it was using it would certainly be an exploit.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 26/01/2006 13:30:54
Originally by: Gonada
were you using a mwd?
Originally by: Niki Silver
(AB not MWD so no big sig)
Not reading the OP is bad, mmkay?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
maybe, instead of instantly pointing the finger accusing someone of hacking, you should stfu and look at what he could have been using.
named target painters?
were you using a mwd?
did he have tracking mods?
maybe he has maxed tracking skills?
named target painters don't get your sig to be high enough to overcome 1000m/s transversal...
First post clearly states that no mwd was used.
Tracking mod usages and max skills where taken in account ( and I double checked, 3x tracking comp and max skills and you still got zero chance of hitting.
Too hit you're talking transversals below 100m/s never 1000m/s
In short, yeah mentioning hacking is bull, but you should stfu and read the damn thread before going a tantrem yourself as well.
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Karn Caranthyr
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Caranthyr on 26/01/2006 13:43:17
erm, 1km/s transversal at 35km/s with an ab? is that possible?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Caranthyr
erm, 1km/s at 35kms with an ab? is that possible?
transversal is a absolute, it's not related to distance, how much effect it has on tracking is related too distance and 1km/s on ab in a claw is hardly suprising.
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:45:00 -
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Care to file a petition or a bugreport about this, and include some basic information such as the date/time, and the characters involved?
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nanus Parkite on 26/01/2006 13:53:10
Actual tracking runs off a very simple formula. It relates the arc length to the radius and subtended angle. Or when time is involved the arc length/time = radius of orbit x angle/time. To get a transversal of 1000rad/sec at 35km you need to be travelling 35km/sec so please point me to the afterburner which lets you go that fast. Orbitting him at 1000m/sec does not mean your transversal is 1000rad/sec.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.01.26 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nanus Parkite
Edited by: Nanus Parkite on 26/01/2006 13:53:10
Actual tracking runs off a very simple formula. It relates the arc length to the radius and subtended angle. Or when time is involved the arc length/time = radius of orbit x angle/time. To get a transversal of 1000rad/sec at 35km you need to be travelling 35km/sec so please point me to the afterburner which lets you go that fast. Orbitting him at 1000m/sec does not mean your transversal is 1000rad/sec.
Go into your scanner settings. There's a column called 'Radial Velocity' and one called 'Transversal'. He never said he moved at 1000rad/sec, but at 1000m/s.
Fact is if he moved transversal at 1000m/s (which is a better way of wording it), he still would never get hit.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.01.26 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Perfectly wrecks - always hit. No matter how far are you, what is your transversal, etc. There is always small chance, to hit target, even when its impossible, according to math. Devs haven`t fixed this bug.
You said, that you lost lots of ships, i doubt, that this pilot is so lucky. May be time for petition ?
A complete and utter myth. Wreckings are still subject to the usual tracking/sig radius etc calculation. It still needs to be a hit in order for it to be a wrecking. a 25sig at 1000m/s transversal being shot at by a mega with 425s at 35km should be zero % chance of a hit, therefor a zero % chance of a wrecking
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.01.26 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
A complete and utter myth. Wreckings are still subject to the usual tracking/sig radius etc calculation. It still needs to be a hit in order for it to be a wrecking. a 25sig at 1000m/s transversal being shot at by a mega with 425s at 35km should be zero % chance of a hit, therefor a zero % chance of a wrecking
Not a myth, just outdated info. It used to be 1/100 shots, regardless of wether they hit or not.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.26 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nanus Parkite
Edited by: Nanus Parkite on 26/01/2006 13:53:10
Actual tracking runs off a very simple formula. It relates the arc length to the radius and subtended angle. Or when time is involved the arc length/time = radius of orbit x angle/time. To get a transversal of 1000rad/sec at 35km you need to be travelling 35km/sec so please point me to the afterburner which lets you go that fast. Orbitting him at 1000m/sec does not mean your transversal is 1000rad/sec.
Glad to see your math is up too speed, too bad your reading ability is a bit lacking, keep working on it, and you'll get it eventually.
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