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TribalBleb
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Posted - 2006.01.28 16:51:00 -
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With all the changes made to eve over the years things are no longer the same as they used to be, something you liked and trained for in the past might be changed in a way you no longer use it thus the skills for it become useless to you.
For example I trained Caldari frigate to level 5 because I liked the crow for its easy fittings and the little skills needed in missiles to fly it properly, now with the missile changes you need at least 2mil skill points in missiles to fly the crow properly, so I wasted a good 500k or 2/3 weeks in skill points in Caldari frigate which I no longer use.
Other people may be specialized in the old gankgeddon which is not so ganky anymore so I can imagine the people who trained it only for its ganking abilities no longer fly it.
It doesnĘt seem completely fair to me, CCP changing the stuff we spent time and money for to train and then they change it in a way your no longer interested in it.
The solution would be a place like a webpage where you can do a one time shift in skill points, where you can assign your skill points gained in skills that no longer have any use to you to other skills.
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:01:00 -
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Frig V and lots of SP in missiles is hardly a waste. It's not like you ever finish training skills or you're unable to apply the SPs you already have to a setup which works better. Adapt!
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Dukath
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:01:00 -
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 Originally by: TribalBleb
With all the changes made to eve over the years things are no longer the same as they used to be, something you liked and trained for in the past might be changed in a way you no longer use it thus the skills for it become useless to you.
For example I trained Caldari frigate to level 5 because I liked the crow for its easy fittings and the little skills needed in missiles to fly it properly, now with the missile changes you need at least 2mil skill points in missiles to fly the crow properly, so I wasted a good 500k or 2/3 weeks in skill points in Caldari frigate which I no longer use.
Other people may be specialized in the old gankgeddon which is not so ganky anymore so I can imagine the people who trained it only for its ganking abilities no longer fly it.
It doesnĘt seem completely fair to me, CCP changing the stuff we spent time and money for to train and then they change it in a way your no longer interested in it.
The solution would be a place like a webpage where you can do a one time shift in skill points, where you can assign your skill points gained in skills that no longer have any use to you to other skills.
If you like the crow so much, why not simply train up the missile skills?
The problem with wat you propose is that it will never be 'one time'. Maybe in the next content patch a t2 battleship will come out. Now I fly gallente battleships but suppose the caldari one is so much nicer. Should I get a refund in skillpoints because new content changed the game? I think not. Things change, both in game as in the real world. (I havent tried getting a refund for my car since they jacked up the oil price and i cycle a lot more now)
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Gift
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:05:00 -
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I hear what your saying, I feal the same about my drones skills. 2.5 mil sp's to control 3 drones  But thats the way eve has always been.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: TribalBleb
With all the changes made to eve over the years things are no longer the same as they used to be, something you liked and trained for in the past might be changed in a way you no longer use it thus the skills for it become useless to you.
Adapting to change is what separates people who are alive from people who are merely drawing breath. Put another way:life is about change. When you fail to change you might as well give up.
In the specific case of Eve this kind of change is good. It's a subtle way of keeping the veteran players like me within reasonable reach of the nubs while also continuing to give us new goals to aim for.
I've been playing since Feb '04 and I've seen a lot of changes, some of which hit me hard. My comment to the devs is 'bring it on!' knock my skills down but you can't keep me down 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:10:00 -
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A good thing to keep in mind in Eve:
When something is or looks to be too goodto be true or balanced, it will be changed at some point.
So, dont skill for FOTM, eventually your skill be be made to fall in line with every other possibility that should be equal to it.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/01/2006 17:13:09
Originally by: Andrue
I've been playing since Feb '04 and I've seen a lot of changes, some of which hit me hard. My comment to the devs is 'bring it on!' knock my skills down but you can't keep me down
You really loved to be tortured, dont ya?  
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:17:00 -
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My Gankageddon still pushes 900 DPS (conflags), and my Crow still does its job and inflicts ample damage with rockets and standards.
I'm not sure what you are complaining about, the only skillpoints I feel were truly wasted were those I sank into BP research.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:23:00 -
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I'm all for it, as long as you can never ever train the skills you shift SP's from ever again :)
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TribalBleb
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
My Gankageddon still pushes 900 DPS (conflags), and my Crow still does its job and inflicts ample damage with rockets and standards.
Good for you but thatĘs not the point, the point is many people trained skills for things that are no longer there, you can adapt, of course you can but you trained those skills for a certain reason, a reason that now may not exist anymore.
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Sim Frost
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:42:00 -
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Tribal, you are right in your complaint. Every now and then I too have felt deceived with large nerfs that seem to completely scratch my investment off.
Unfotunately though, this is an indispensable dynamic of not only EVE but other MMORPGs as well. And there is nothing that can be done this.. except being a bit more modest with the nerfbat maybe.
Creation of a MMoRPG is an ongoing process. It continues to be designed. And when you design a new A or B into the game, C and D will have to change a bit to balance things up.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:46:00 -
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I doubt you;ll get much sympathy as it seems that your pining for low skillpoint high efficiency tasks.
Which simply isnt the case.
Every ship in Eve is merely a platform to base off of, requiring additional skillpoints in ancilliary skills to truly make the most of it. Any ship that doesn't require a modest amount of secondary skills to make best use of it is simply an unbalanced ship.
You should never commit to flying a ship without commiting to the entire package of skills needed to fly that ship effectively. If there really isn't much needed other then the ship skill then it is safe to say that you have found an unbalanced ship, not a skillpoint "bargain".
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GigaIndy
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Posted - 2006.01.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: TribalBleb
With all the changes made to eve over the years things are no longer the same as they used to be, something you liked and trained for in the past might be changed in a way you no longer use it thus the skills for it become useless to you.
For example I trained Caldari frigate to level 5 because I liked the crow for its easy fittings and the little skills needed in missiles to fly it properly, now with the missile changes you need at least 2mil skill points in missiles to fly the crow properly, so I wasted a good 500k or 2/3 weeks in skill points in Caldari frigate which I no longer use.
Other people may be specialized in the old gankgeddon which is not so ganky anymore so I can imagine the people who trained it only for its ganking abilities no longer fly it.
It doesnĘt seem completely fair to me, CCP changing the stuff we spent time and money for to train and then they change it in a way your no longer interested in it.
The solution would be a place like a webpage where you can do a one time shift in skill points, where you can assign your skill points gained in skills that no longer have any use to you to other skills.
Although i agree at least somewhat.
I think you choose 2 bad examples, at least for me.
Crow seems to do just as good as ever in pvp, and i still use my geddon daily.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.28 19:26:00 -
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change or leave the game, up to you.
but dont whine :)
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Atma Darkwolf
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Posted - 2006.01.28 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: TribalBleb
With all the changes made to eve over the years things are no longer the same as they used to be, something you liked and trained for in the past might be changed in a way you no longer use it thus the skills for it become useless to you.
For example I trained Caldari frigate to level 5 because I liked the crow for its easy fittings and the little skills needed in missiles to fly it properly, now with the missile changes you need at least 2mil skill points in missiles to fly the crow properly, so I wasted a good 500k or 2/3 weeks in skill points in Caldari frigate which I no longer use.
Other people may be specialized in the old gankgeddon which is not so ganky anymore so I can imagine the people who trained it only for its ganking abilities no longer fly it.
It doesnĘt seem completely fair to me, CCP changing the stuff we spent time and money for to train and then they change it in a way your no longer interested in it.
The solution would be a place like a webpage where you can do a one time shift in skill points, where you can assign your skill points gained in skills that no longer have any use to you to other skills.
Son of a motherless goat... what a bloody STUPID thing to whine about. sorry mate, but *IF* you trained *JUST* so u could have the *WTFPWNIWIN* ship then things were balanced.. oh well.... tough SH!T... and guess what.. THOSE SKILLS ARE STILL USFULL.
Is it just me or in the past 2 years has the average IQ level of the population of players dropped by 3/4th?
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.01.28 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
change or leave the game, up to you.
but dont whine :)
I guess as usual you didnt read anything.
As for trib, the key to this game is to not specialize.
Though, CCP try to encourage specializing and older players recommend it. Maxing out skills for one race or one ship, or one ship type will just leave you broken hearted after every new content patch.
It doesnt matter if you are a devout minmatar pilot, or you have your large gun specs to lvl V, or heavy assault ships lvl V. When that nerf bat swings around, you're screwed back to rookie level.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.28 20:45:00 -
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guess as usual you didnt read anything.
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um ya i did, and you whined, then tried to ratioalize the whine.
the game is evolving, i know what your whining bout, but the change you want will never happen.
you think your the first person to post bout this?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.28 20:50:00 -
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wait, you spent a lot of time training for the FOTM whatever it was, and now your unhappy its stopped being so ubber?
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.28 21:54:00 -
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HEHE
lol@OP
This is what EVE is about.There is no quick fixes and intant gratification.U may have millions of sps in something that is useless but there is always someone who is worse off.
One good thing about this is that for these and other reasons EVE will never become as popular as WOW where instant gratification is the rule.IMO thats a really good thing.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.01.28 22:21:00 -
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I trained Caldari cruiser long ago to fly an Osprey. Now I don't need Osprey anymore as I ahve a Brutix and it mines better. I wish there would be a way to use those SP for something else.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2006.01.28 23:10:00 -
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It is a huge mistake to develop your character towards one single ship or other stuff that might be hot at the moment. You should rather lay out your skill training so that your character will become good in specific areas. For example if you like gankageddons then your desired field would be gunnery and everything that has to do with gunships.
Training your character that way you can never really be hit by the nerfbat and when you do it will not affect you as much as it does someone who trained for one specific feature, item, ship or what ever.
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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2006.01.29 00:30:00 -
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seeing a lot of these 'let us transfer our skill points' posts just lately.
if you've been playing for long enough to complain about so many changes, you've been playing long enough to know that;
a) you can still use the skills they gave you, whether you do is your choice
b) there is no logical way it can be explained, i spent 5 yrs studying engineering at college and university.. thats like me saying, i dont like engineering anymore... maybe i'll convert all my knowledge on it to knowledge in skydiving. see? it doesn't make sense.. you cant unlearn something and then use that space of knowledge to fit something else in.
c) you've been playing so long you can more than afford the lost couple of weeks of training time
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.01.29 01:27:00 -
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Time to vent the old suggestion again.
No relocating of skillpoints. Merely allow people to designate certain skills to be a lower priority for their cloners to keep and once killed those skills are the ones taking the eventual beating, sorting themselves out over time.
Harsh with a dash of mercy, I call it The Marcellus Purge.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.29 13:11:00 -
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I learnt a whole load of stuff at school that wasn't really of any practical use to me. I have years of experience and training in software packages that I no longer use and will most likely never even see again. It's the same for everyone: life keeps on and we keep moving with it.
Why should our characters in Eve be any different. They train for things that become redundant. They aren't perfect machines. You can't unlearn what has been learnt, it will always be there even if half forgotten (imagine if skills started losing SP if you didn't use them. Ha!) and you keep learning new stuff. Eve isn't a race, and there isn't any way to win it, so why worry about skillpoints invested in areas that no longer interest you?
And yes, if I could untrain Mining 3 and all those trade skills I don't use, I would do it in a flash! 
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.29 13:20:00 -
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Yes, it's so unfair that all the time i stuck with caldari ships and missiles now finally has paid off... no wait, thats not what u meant right?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.29 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
HEHE
lol@OP
This is what EVE is about.There is no quick fixes and intant gratification.U may have millions of sps in something that is useless but there is always someone who is worse off.
One good thing about this is that for these and other reasons EVE will never become as popular as WOW where instant gratification is the rule.IMO thats a really good thing.
i agree with ginger
how embarassing
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Go Team
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Posted - 2006.01.29 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Go Team on 29/01/2006 13:37:48
Things evolve. end of.
Well, no not the end of... do you seriously expect CCP to leave things as they are? going stale and stagnant?
Before all these nice new toys came out and you could fly daft setups like cruise firing dual mwd kestrels T1, you maxxed out your skills to be the best IN THAT SHIP, to make flying more fun.... addons come along that enhance and reward the skills,time spent and infact, that cruiser 5 you trained, now lets train straight away for the T2 beasties.(not you OP, just you in general).
Ok, so now and again there are nerfs that happen as it becomes painfully obvious that some ships/race of ships/modules etc, are overpowered or underpowered and CCP either show love or nerfage in the hope of making the game fairer for the MAJORITY of eve players, upsetting a few OGMWTF nubbins who cannot see past there next skill choice and refuse to see the bigger picture....
"What's the point of T2 Kessies that fire cruise when a good T1 does it?"---> CCP prob knew that a T2 Kessie was in the pipeline that COULD fire cruise and as such the T1 got a nerf as it was way too overpowered............ Oh, i'm not trying to change the topic to a kessie forum!! just using it as an example, even if it is an old change..... I have flown a prenerf raven and when it did get nerfed, i could have carried on training to make the raven all lovely again, I could have changed type of ship for a new experience, I could have not thought it through and gotten angry about said nerf. I chose 1 & 2 and laugh at those that chose 3.
The point, Dear reader?
Just this.
Things evolve. end of.
oh one more thing you want to trade back your skills cos things didn't go your way??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
funny.
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Worry
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Posted - 2006.01.29 15:21:00 -
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First they nerfed Mr resists
Then they nerfed Trueshot
Then they nerfed the entire monk class
they never nerfed deathtouch
Then I joined EVE
Then they nerfed cruise missles on frigates
Then they nerfed dual afterburners
Then they nerfed oversized afterburners
Then they nerfed the raven/crow
Then they nerfed my beloved plate crow
The game is constantly changing and sometimes those changes sting but I have very few skills that became "useless". Suck it up. The point of an evolving game is that you evolve with it and try roll with the punches. If you do not enjoy new content and changes then clearly you are playing the wrong game.
I have a copy of pacman lying around here if you would like it- Hasn't changed a bit since 1980.
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Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2006.01.29 15:36:00 -
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repeat after me... *activates mind control device*
Change is good,
change is life...
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.01.29 15:40:00 -
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Change is good cahnge means people have to skill mroe change means more cash for ccp, Thats the only reason we have change.
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