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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:27:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Not on a par with the epic trailers of a few years ago.
Quantum Rise, Dominion...
Also I was under the assumption that the Ghost Sites were a part of the lore around Rubicon but not the main deal. We want the tech the pirates have been developing, CONCORD & the Empires say "nope", we go and take it anyway. Fits the whole theme of defying the empires & there being no going back from that pretty well, I'd say.
That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't the empires want us to go and destroy pirate sites? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
34
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:So....ghost sites are out there and if you try to loot one it blows up in your face? Is this what comes after loot spew? This is a big patch....not an expansion. Just like Odyssey, just like Retribution, just like Inferno, just like Crucible. Yeah, but any of those "patches" were easily better than incarna, tyrannis, or dominion. Tyrannis at least had PI....a rather major mechanic most indeed. I'm not judging quality at all. I'm judging actual new content as present or not. These last 5 I listed above just add a ship or two here and there, and change the mechanics of how things already extant in the game are done.
- FW before the big fix was basically nonexistant - 5 out of 6 frigs per race before tiericide were basically nonexistant - the bounty system before the big fix was basically nonexistant - every industrial besides the iteron V were basically nonexistant - exploration was basically nonexistant, unless you used a T3 and stayed near your homebasem which is the opposite of exploring something - wardecs were absolutely crap, remember "dec shield" and crap like that - oh god, the old aggression mechanics.... edit: remembered another thing: the old inventory! I, too, really hated itsfirst version but now it is awesome I could go on and on and on.
If you really believe, keeping all thise ****** old systems in the game, ignoring them for further years instead of fixing them and then try to build some totally new things instead, which would most likely just become only half-finished and then ignored, I beg you to leave the game. I dont even want your stuff. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3329
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:38:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: No going back from...what exactly?
From Rubicon,of course.
Unless you time travel, you leave Odyssey behind forever.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5460
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:41:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't the empires want us to go and destroy pirate sites?
These sites are giving the first access to 'warp engineering technology' in the form of Ascendency implants.
We're heading toward player-generated wormholes/stargates/exploration&colonization. In a lore sense, letting Capsuleers run off into the darkness into Gods-know-what (what if the Sleepers are the least of our worries? What if there's worse out there, and it will start attacking?) without imperial control is terrifying.
Imagine, for instance, that corporations or non-profits were developing the ability to colonize the moon or even Mars-- in a permanent way. Wouldn't national governments go, "uh. No. Nonono. WE do it. Go away." Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
529
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:46:00 -
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Rubicon is a patch, nothing more. They ****** up exploration with odyssey, now have to introduce ghost sites to fix it, ******* the lore up in the process. CCP has become a knee jerk reaction company trying to correct the stuff it did wrong before. Where has the quality planning and development gone. Makes me sad as CCP are starting to look like EA. Plus the new trailer looks like it should be in a star wars mmo.
Very sad that the greatest ever sci fi mmo has been reduced to penury in a desperate bid to beat an offline game by bringing the launch date forward to coincide with x-rebirth. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:50:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:so pod fluid is a thing of the past?
or just crative freedom in the trailer
The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes
Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
529
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:50:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't the empires want us to go and destroy pirate sites?
These sites are giving the first access to 'warp engineering technology' in the form of Ascendency implants. We're heading toward player-generated wormholes/stargates/exploration&colonization. In a lore sense, letting Capsuleers run off into the darkness into Gods-know-what (what if the Sleepers are the least of our worries? What if there's worse out there, and it will start attacking?) without imperial control is terrifying. Imagine, for instance, that corporations or non-profits were developing the ability to colonize the moon or even Mars-- in a permanent way. Wouldn't national governments go, "uh. No. Nonono. WE do it. Go away."
But why would they order us not to destroy pirate sites? It makes more sense for the empires to reward us for handing in any thing we might find. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3329
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:54:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't the empires want us to go and destroy pirate sites?
These sites are giving the first access to 'warp engineering technology' in the form of Ascendency implants. We're heading toward player-generated wormholes/stargates/exploration&colonization. In a lore sense, letting Capsuleers run off into the darkness into Gods-know-what (what if the Sleepers are the least of our worries? What if there's worse out there, and it will start attacking?) without imperial control is terrifying. Imagine, for instance, that corporations or non-profits were developing the ability to colonize the moon or even Mars-- in a permanent way. Wouldn't national governments go, "uh. No. Nonono. WE do it. Go away." But why would they order us not to destroy pirate sites? It makes more sense for the empires to reward us for handing in any thing we might find.
If you need to ask that then you need to take a basic poly-sci class coupled with a few history lessons.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
529
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Intex Encapor wrote:so pod fluid is a thing of the past?
or just crative freedom in the trailer The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do
How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
529
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't the empires want us to go and destroy pirate sites?
These sites are giving the first access to 'warp engineering technology' in the form of Ascendency implants. We're heading toward player-generated wormholes/stargates/exploration&colonization. In a lore sense, letting Capsuleers run off into the darkness into Gods-know-what (what if the Sleepers are the least of our worries? What if there's worse out there, and it will start attacking?) without imperial control is terrifying. Imagine, for instance, that corporations or non-profits were developing the ability to colonize the moon or even Mars-- in a permanent way. Wouldn't national governments go, "uh. No. Nonono. WE do it. Go away." But why would they order us not to destroy pirate sites? It makes more sense for the empires to reward us for handing in any thing we might find. If you need to ask that then you need to take a basic poly-sci class coupled with a few history lessons. Mr Epeen
I know all about history thank you, you however know nothing by the look of it... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
692
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:59:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Wow the scene where the sentry drones popped out of the ship and fired was amazing.
Yeah just like they have in the game.... Oh wait...
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3329
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:59:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix
Did you miss the part of the trailer that showed space ships? Spaceships flying in space and using space guns and drones?
I'd file that under hard sci-fi.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5154
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:01:00 -
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empowered to defy the empires..
but never concord, our invincible gods There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
692
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:04:00 -
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You know, this kind of reminds me of the Star Citizen movies, except in Star Citizen they aren't pre-rendered movies.
That and you can actually look around in your spaceship in Star Citizen at actual huds. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
613
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:05:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote: How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?
The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone.
I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either.
Captain Tardbar wrote:You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies So the Eve "movie" reminds you of the Star Citizen "movie". Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies? Also, star citizen has no actual released gameplay, aside from a hangar that's effectivley a CQ equivalent atm. And it won't have any gameplay for a long while to come. And even when it does, I guarantee you it won't live up to the hype, nothing ever does. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
692
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:09:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote: How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?
The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone. I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either. Captain Tardbar wrote:You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies So the Eve movie reminds you of the Star Citizen movie. Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies?
They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos.
Or at least as exciting.
Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
613
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:12:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos.
Or at least as exciting.
Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?
Yes, an enormous sandbox mmo needs to compete with a game that features heavy instancing and server caps of 32-100(?) players.
Also, tbh I'd be more worried about star citizen given that it feels the need to milk players for shitloads of money for "grand space admiral deluxe" versions of the game before it is anywhere near release. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
692
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:17:00 -
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PS
This trailer is done within the engine of Star Citizen not pre-renders:
http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/24/star-citizen-300-series-trailer-shows-off-gorgeous-in-engine-graphics/
It would be nice if the EVE engine could do the same I suppose, but no we have to use artistic licenses to make people imagine what its like inside your pod without ever showing you.
Then again, I suppose using your imagination every now and again doesn't hurt. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1844
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:20:00 -
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I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
692
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:23:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.
Personally I don't think EVE should be like SC, but I just think the videos showing capsuleers in cockpits like SC are funny when there will never ever be an in game cockpit. Its kind of false advertisment in a way.
There should be a disclaimer somewhere that says: "*Must use imagination to see inside capsule."
Seriously why not show an in engine demonstration of this activity... Or is it not exciting enough when you go and actually play it in game? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
32
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:26:00 -
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First off; trailer looks amazing!
Second, does anyone else feel that the general 'feel' of the trailer has become a bit less 'Eve' and a bit more 'Star Wars'? I'm thinking especially of things like the camera movement and angles. Less 'cold and distant' and more 'in your face and close to the action'. It doesn't really fit my personal perspective on the Eve atmosphere. The addition of actual people in the trailers hasn't been around for very long yet, and it definitely changes the way the videos feel, but if it were me directing it I'd not zoom in quite as much, to create a more 'calculated and calm immortal pod pilot' than a 'caught in the heat of the moment immortal pod pilot'. Immortals aren't so afraid to die after all. |
Marlise Chelien
Ultimate Existencial
5
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:27:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC. Personally I don't think EVE should be like SC, but I just think the videos showing capsuleers in cockpits like SC are funny when there will never ever be an in game cockpit. Its kind of false advertisment in a way. There should be a disclaimer somewhere that says: "*Must use imagination to see inside capsule." Seriously why not show an in engine demonstration of this activity... Or is it not exciting enough when you go and actually play it in game? If you really think star citizen gameplay will be anything like the trailers you've got another thing coming... |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
85
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:32:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Intex Encapor wrote:so pod fluid is a thing of the past?
or just crative freedom in the trailer The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do Another way to interpret the scenes in the trailer is what is shown is the virtual reality as experienced by the pilot. After all it would be hard to talk with your throat, lungs and mouth full of pod fluid. But you could be experiencing a virtual reality where you feel as though you are talking, even though you are actually mentally interfacing with the comms system. |
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1269
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:45:00 -
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Man that's an exciting looking game. What's it called? |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
530
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:48:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote: How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?
The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone. I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either. Captain Tardbar wrote:You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies So the Eve movie reminds you of the Star Citizen movie. Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies? They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos. Or at least as exciting. Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?
I can see the sense in that, the point I am repeatedly making is that in the past, eve's content via graphics, fx and gameplay was good enough to sell the game on it's merits and attract the right type of buyer to their store. I can't believe that the previous demographic of buyers/players out there has been used up, so why the attempts to glorify their product with 'artistic licence'. I don't mind a little bit of artistic licence as long as it's a polished representation of what can be done in game. I'll eat my words if rubicon brings spaceships that warp in and out like they did in the rubicon video, or if the sisters of eve ships actually do move like that, flying through structures etc, not to mention all of the implied avatar content.
The correct use of artistic licence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmUf3fflrA
a proper trailer that does not lie to prospective customers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrrVDV_NsNo
best trailer ever imo says what eve is all about without pretending to be avatars in a cockpit with a hud in space as opposed to FIS. It has plenty of artistic licence that it s not too far from the game to be unbelievable. That's the trouble with the rubicon trailer is smacks of total bollox...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdTJjDnYzE
another great trailer that doesn't try to write cheques it cant cash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc
This incarna teaser says what it is to be a capsuleer. The pod opening sequence is magic and represents eve better than anything I've seen tonight in the new rubicon trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSRI9uCDo8
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Jim Era
7662
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:50:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do
I thought the camera drones out side of the ship was how the capsuleer saw? |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
530
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:53:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Man that's an exciting looking game. What's it called?
whatever it's called it aint eve, I think it might be a new star wars online or some **** like that... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
530
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:57:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.
I would like to remind you that Eve was the original Star Citizen before the FIS crowd hijacked community anger over a botched expansion called incarna, a leaked CCP menu entitled 'greed is good' and the mention of gold ammo being on sale in the nex store. The resulting furore turned CCP into a market follower when prior to this it was the market leader in SCI FI mmo's. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:10:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC. I would like to remind you that Eve was the original Star Citizen before elements of the FIS crowd hijacked community anger over a botched expansion called incarna, a leaked CCP menu entitled 'greed is good' and the mention of gold ammo being on sale in the nex store. The resulting furore turned CCP into a market follower when prior to this it was the market leader in SCI FI mmo's.
We actually got a thread going for things to help bring that side of EVE back and not let CQ just become something more than useless.
Link to said topic. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2300
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:26:00 -
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Is it a recent eve online trailer checklist:
- Does it include visuals impossible in the client? Check - Does it suggest gameplay impossible in the client? Check - Does it suggest story or content not in the client? Check - Does it use known assets in a way that is incongruous with how Eve plays? Check - As a piece of advertising, does it seemingly speak only to the current player-base? Check - Does it in any way represent an experience likely or possible to happen in Eve online? Ehhhhhhh
Eve has some awesome trailers in it's back catalogue, but more and more they're starting to look like a sub-par CGI (lol dem faces WHAT) / tech demo to appeal to current players and distract them from the lack of anything* actually shipping with the expansion.
* - granted, hyperbole "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
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