So a Derptron kicking 120DPS unheated will never break that tank.

It will when he runs out of cap charges. Granted, that can take forever, but it'll work eventually.

Bring more ammo. He's burning cap charges to keep the reps going.

Hello all,

Recently I started off-plexing again and keep seeing Incursuses in D-Scan inside plexes. Naturally I'd avoid them on my brawler kestrel but got a good reminder of why they are the gods of T1 frigs and died when both of us landed on gate at the same time. So I switched tactics and ships and went for the YE OLDE kiting Condor. Went into a plex and saw an Incursus on long scan and there was only 1 WT in local so I insulted his mother to fight me. Well I got it alright and he just repped all my damage until I ran out of ammo while he sat there being 19 km off unable to escape due to long point. We parted ways after I went back from attending to nature.

So here's my question. Is there a way to counter Incursus on a T1 frig? How much DPS do I need to break the tank of a dual rep Incursus? What's the range of their blasters? Optimal and fall-off? How to pull range if we're both brawlers and are both web and scrammed? Ships that are natural predators to Incursus? Do energy neutralizers and vampires work against them? What are the most common Incursus builds?

I'd have to test it, but the dual repper fit I use has a max cap of 407.5 GJ, carries 13 Navy Cap Booster 400s and can pump one in every 22 seconds or so. Without the cap boosters, and with everything running, cap lasts about 30 seconds. With skilful management (watching the cap and mod cycles carefully before lobbing in a 400) you can squeeze 7 minutes out of it in some fights. Cap booster 200s are a bit easier to run, but they're not as time efficient. 400s are the way to go.

By my reckoning, even with that Condor's neut running and sucking out 54GJ every six seconds, I think the incursus would be able to operate for 70-80 seconds without capping out - plus it can instantly 'recap' to maximum once reloaded and ready. This assumes the incursus does in fact need to run both reppers at max capacity continually from the outset, which you often don't. You don't need to switch them on for a bit until shields are well down, plus for shorter fights generally the combo of SAR + SAAR is better.

Plus - that neut is gobbling down 34GJ of the condor's cap every six seconds, not to mention the scram, web and AB cap requirements. How long is that going to last?

I don't want you to think that I'm particularly batting for the incursus, or on the cusp of getting "Incursus dual-rep FTW" tattooed on my face or something, but it's a dangerous game getting into a cocky neut battle against a ship that's carrying the equivalent of 13 normal frigate capacitors in its hold in one go.

There is definitely enough powergrid to fit 3 x 125mm IIs on a dual-rep incursus, even with modest skills. I'll post the fit if you want. You can fit 2 x 125s and a 150 if your fitting skills are good enough.

So scram range kiting against a rail / dual rep incursus at 7km is great for the incursus - that's just the optimal for 125mm IIs with CNA. Even with dual tracking disruption, the rail-repper can switch to much longer range ammo and still hit. Plus you're scrammed if you're inside 9k, slowing down to where the tracking on the 125 IIs is sufficient to score decent hits even if you're orbitting with an AB.

Although the dual repper is burning through cap booster charges to keep everything running, it lasts well over five minutes and with skills at V and proper rigs can restore more than 102 EHP a second. Enough to make a dent in all but the tankiest / dampiest of kites.

I agree that the blaster fit dual repper gets caned by some kites if they wriggle out of its grasp, but the rail fit dual repper is way more adaptable, however.