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Serenity Eon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:56:00 -
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All they have to do is create a alt, scam for a few days, then biomass the alt and repeat. It is an exploit because it is counteracting both the bounty system (in part created to help identify known scammers) and the block tool. I have nothing against scamming itself, but i grow real tired with having to continously block, block, block 24/7. Furthermore this exploit is turning a skilless/riskless system into an either greater skilless/riskless system. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1328
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Posted - 2013.10.17 04:57:00 -
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Show me on the EULA/TOS where counteracting the bounty system or the block tool is considered an offense. As long as you're not wiping off negative security status, biomass all you want. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:00:00 -
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i don't like your post and want to bounty you but you appear to be a forum alt |
Serenity Eon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:03:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:i don't like your post and want to bounty you but you appear to be a forum alt
that i am good sir ^^ |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:04:00 -
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what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same? |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
153
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:08:00 -
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post with your main |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
93
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:08:00 -
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I know what you mean. The feeling of having this amount of pretty dumb spam is annoying. The fact that it's here to stay is sad for a game where high level scams, corp thefts, ponzi schemes and whatnot are allowed. I admire the effort and ingenuity of all meta-gaming and scams in the game and the fact that they are allowed. It's a core element of the game. But spam is another thing - whether you milk some ISK out of it or not, it still can't be considered a scam but merely simple spam.
There is a temporary solution, however. Minimize tradehub local and 90% of the problem is already solved. This simple fact that players should avoid using a game's feature (like a chat in an MMO) in pretty important and frequently visited systems because of pure spam is a good sign of bad game design.
CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic   |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:09:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?
Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth. |
Shadow Love
Poey's Song
19
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:10:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same?
I think the logic is something like EvE is spaceships but forums are e-peens. Or something like that. |
Serenity Eon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:12:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same? Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.
this ^ |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1634
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:13:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same? Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth.
i have nothing to gain if i choose to start suicide ganking pods on jita gate, but i can't biomass the thrasher alt
besides the possible gain, this is one game, and we post with ingame characters. you're still avoiding ingame consequences by rolling a disposable alt for forum posting, as with scammers avoiding ingame consequences by rolling scammer alts |
Serenity Eon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:what's the difference between using a scam alt to avoid metagame consequences for your actions, including bounties, and using a forum alt to avoid the same? Because on forums we have nothing to gain, but while contributing to the proper discourse of discussion and growth. i have nothing to gain if i choose to start suicide ganking pods on jita gate, but i can't biomass the thrasher alt besides the possible gain, this is one game, and we post with ingame characters. you're still avoiding ingame consequences by rolling a disposable alt for forum posting, as with scammers avoiding ingame consequences by rolling scammer alts
Benny, mate, ill put it in english for you, scamming/abusing biomass tool = is in game, posting on forum to discuss the issue = out of game + im not abusing the biomass tool. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1634
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:20:00 -
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you're using an alt to avoid ingame consequences for your metagame actions, yes, as do scammers |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3086
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:28:00 -
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Quote:Scammers are exploiting the biomass tool in eve...
Yes they are.
But while they are exploiting it, it's not an exploit until CCP says otherwise.
But what I have to ask myself is why so many people spend so much time in trade hubs (with local not minimized, no less) that this actually becomes annoying enough to start threads about? No one should be in Jita for any longer than it takes to grab what they came for and get out again. It astounds me that people actually hang out there.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
1557
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:29:00 -
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That is why I don't biomass. And I don't scam. Blast those wicked scammers!
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:29:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:you're using an alt to avoid ingame consequences for your metagame actions, yes, as do scammers
Lines like that prove why forum alts even need to be a thing. What actions would someone wanna take out on me or the other alt-using posters while we literally cannot do anything here to warrant such in-game harassment or action. I wasn't aware market scamming or suicide ganking on the forums was a thing.
Only thing I could imagine folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them. Which says quite a bit about their personal character and maturity level. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
153
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:33:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them.
precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt.
while bitching about people who use alts 
post with your main or STFU |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
1557
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:36:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:folk here wanting to take in-game action against a forum alt owner is for merely having a different opinion than them. precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt. while bitching about people who use alts post with your main or STFU
That's why I post with my main. If people don't like it, they can suck my 28 billion isk bounty.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1637
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:36:00 -
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i'll have you know that scammers merely have unconventional opinions regarding the distribution of valuable assets based on intelligence
and yes, i am fully within my rights to attack someone ingame for having an opinion i don't like. i am serious. |
Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:40:00 -
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Money Makin Mitch wrote:precisely. and you're trying to avoid that by using an alt. while bitching about people who use altspost with your main or STFU
Please direct me to where I have previously brought grievance over use of alts.
And 'Shug, you have not the authority nor power to decide or order the manners others post in. |
Serenity Eon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:44:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:i'll have you know that scammers merely have unconventional opinions regarding the distribution of valuable assets based on intelligence
and yes, i am fully within my rights to attack someone ingame for having an opinion i don't like. i am serious.
you sir remind me of someone from World war 2 who shared similiar ideologies. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1638
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:47:00 -
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Serenity Eon wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:i'll have you know that scammers merely have unconventional opinions regarding the distribution of valuable assets based on intelligence
and yes, i am fully within my rights to attack someone ingame for having an opinion i don't like. i am serious. you sir remind me of someone from World war 2 who shared similiar ideologies.
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4043
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:01:00 -
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And you made a thread about ig because we don't know?
Or because it's helping?
So you believe we're clueless idiots and you have the responsibility to educate us? |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
1560
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:04:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:And you made a thread about ig because we don't know?
Or because it's helping?
So you believe we're clueless idiots and you have the responsibility to educate us?
Maybe Chribba has the answers we seek. Where has he been?
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4043
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:05:00 -
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I don't know. He's smart enough to not fall for any trollcall. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
557
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:08:00 -
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I agree!
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
103
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:18:00 -
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Pathetic |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4043
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:26:00 -
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Nothing to gain by using a forum alt?
Bullshit!
If there was no advantage in using one,
people wouldn't use one!
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
869
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:17:00 -
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Serenity Eon wrote:All they have to do is create a alt, scam for a few days, then biomass the alt and repeat. It is an exploit because it is counteracting both the bounty system (in part created to help identify known scammers) and the block tool. I have nothing against scamming itself, but i grow real tired with having to continously block, block, block 24/7. Furthermore this exploit is turning a skilless/riskless system into an either greater skilless/riskless system.
Did you have an actual solution? or even a vague proposal?
Or is this just a statement to inform us all that this is happening (Hint: we know)
Also, you are being hypocritical, post with your main!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6182
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:37:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:No one should be in Jita for any longer than it takes to grab what they came for and get out again. It astounds me that people actually hang out there. Mr Epeen
Then you don't understand EVE economics. It's definitely a more evolved market with speculations, investments, inflation. So naturally people want to stay where there's the most trade volume. This gives them more opportunities to judge the health of the market and what else to invest in.
Of course this can all be done without having to be in the station itself or for that matter the system. It just takes additional skills to create and modify buy/sell orders remotely - at max skill level you can create or modify market orders at any station in your current region, without needing to be docked.
EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
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