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Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:05:00 - [121] Earthan "Lol thats funny i am 100 % persuaded its other way around.ITs Bob that only fights when its outnumbering us.And i am pretty sure from personal exp.You are good very good but damn boring and catious." Now THAT is funny Oh dear lol - Comin' at ya!
Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:05:00 - [122] Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:07:09 Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:06:43 Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:05:40 Facts: Last times i rember was one night there was 15 bobs in 4c , 25 norad around bf-sdp and 15 bobs before norad gang, we were in between. Bob didnt engage until we retreated. LAst bigger fight i remmber against bob was when we had around 15 ships in gang ( only 3 bs).For ages nothjing happned bobs were hiding in station in 4c .Until they assembled afleet of abit more only in numbers but much superior firepower.( more bs all other tech2 ships , hac , afs ,inties) while we had mostly tech 1 cruisers. So only then you came after us and finally we engaged , and sustained hvy losses , while you got soem light losses. Im not arguing you are great pvpers, but your style is uaully very catious and boring ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:09:00 - [123] Again maybe its not such an offence for me to say you dont engage until outnumbering/outgunining enemy.I mean its normal wise rule of fighting. But saying its us who do this with our style of fighting is purely laughable ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:13:00 - [124] Where all about risk and fun, why u think we jump in on everyone ALWAYS, whatever the odds , discounting all the unbelievable lag we experience I can assure you it is no way boring or cautious. We go in, if we die, we go grab another ship, whatever ship, frigate, cruiser whatever we can and carry on fighting regardless.. - Comin' at ya!
Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:15:00 - [125] Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:15:11 Quote: Where all about risk and fun, why u think we jump in on everyone ALWAYS You dont. Read my reply above the one starting with facts. I have been there , i ahve seen it. ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:16:00 - [126] Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/01/2006 18:16:16 I don't really see what historical battles between NORAD and BOB have to do with the event last night. 30 ships? I'll take your word for it... I never saw any at all nor did any of BoB. If you think 30 norad ships can take 50 of BoB's finest in a straight fight without lag then kudos to you. I look forward to the next time we are in that situation and you own the floor with us earthan. Now, back on track please. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:20:00 - [127] Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:21:41 There wasnt a BOB/NORAD historical battle to speak about. And no with your superior equipement and exp even evenly matched we usually take heavier losses. But i admit i got **ed by the "10 norads" remarks and " easy meat". We werent so little and we werent such easy meat.Lag helped us alot ofc but we had lag to... ****** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
Sabaoth	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:20:00 - [128] Ok I thought it would be a good idea to try and answer a few of the questions and issues raised here just so things donÆt get out of hand. Please note I will NOT be answering all questions as I donÆt have time and some of the issues raised have been already answered in this thread: Click Here Some of you have a good grasp of what the Serpentis is trying to achieve and others well they clearly donÆt see this as a Role-Play event. There is no reason for the Serpentis not to attack the BoB POS, they obviously have some sort of claim to that system to warrant them building a shipyard. Some people think that the ships/actors were totally overpowered, this is quite hard to determine because there are many factors which can contribute to this idea such as lag, fighters being perhaps overpowered, elite modules, SuperÆd characters. Now I am not going to say if they were over powered or not. We aim to give everyone a chance but I can tell you that this is being looked into. Sure we want to give you a run for your money but we donÆt want to slaughter you, the main reason as said before for us using overpowered setups is down to numbers as we can only field so many actors at any one time. This isnÆt the first time we have used NPCÆs in an event but it is the first time that Aurora has been able to spawn the NPCÆs our selves for events. Before only CCP could do this and it usually took even longer for an event to get organised and executed because of this. You can expect to see more NPCÆs supporting Serpentis & any other faction that you may come across after all these are powerful mega Corporations. For anyone who thinks BoB is being favoured hereà think again. BoB they are involved in this Arc because of their location which I covered in the thread I listed above. I would also like to add that other Alliance(s) and Corporation(s) residing in NPC sovereignty are not safe! It may take a while for the other Arcs to get off the ground due to lack of staff but we will keep providing rich content to everyone! Some players have complained that the risk involved in the event was too high. The risk in this event was variable and depended on player interaction. If BoB players had decided not to engage, the only action would have been putting the POS into reinforced mode. If, on the other hand, BoB attacked then they would have an opportunity to destroy the capital ships. It is a fine line drawing risk vs. reward and we will take your concerns under advisement. While it is true that we do not build our ships, we do offer appropriate rewards for the risks players take. Concerns about the Serpentis Fleet spawning suddenly and without regard to game mechanics can be answered by looking at the environment of the fight. A large Serpentis shipyard exists in the system, and the fleet had been positioned previously before the fight. That is why there was no cynosural field before the capital ships appeared. Some players have aired concerns about the Serpentis attacking multiple POS and having a significant impact on their sovereignty or POS operations. Aurora is aware of these concerns and any attack against a POS is looked at carefully. Taking into account the Serpentis shipyard in a2v6-6 and the future progression of the story, attacking this POS was within event guidelines. I think thatÆs as much as I can remember from reading over this thread only once briefly. - Regards -------------- Sabaoth Aurora Captain The Aurora Project
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:23:00 - [129] Originally by: Sabaoth Ok I thought it would be a good idea to try and answer a few of the questions and issues raised here just so things donÆt get out of hand. Please note I will NOT be answering all questions as I donÆt have time and some of the issues raised have been already answered in this thread: Click Here Some of you have a good grasp of what the Serpentis is trying to achieve and others well they clearly donÆt see this as a Role-Play event. There is no reason for the Serpentis not to attack the BoB POS, they obviously have some sort of claim to that system to warrant them building a shipyard. Some people think that the ships/actors were totally overpowered, this is quite hard to determine because there are many factors which can contribute to this idea such as lag, fighters being perhaps overpowered, elite modules, SuperÆd characters. Now I am not going to say if they were over powered or not. We aim to give everyone a chance but I can tell you that this is being looked into. Sure we want to give you a run for your money but we donÆt want to slaughter you, the main reason as said before for us using overpowered setups is down to numbers as we can only field so many actors at any one time. This isnÆt the first time we have used NPCÆs in an event but it is the first time that Aurora has been able to spawn the NPCÆs our selves for events. Before only CCP could do this and it usually took even longer for an event to get organised and executed because of this. You can expect to see more NPCÆs supporting Serpentis & any other faction that you may come across after all these are powerful mega Corporations. For anyone who thinks BoB is being favoured hereà think again. BoB they are involved in this Arc because of their location which I covered in the thread I listed above. I would also like to add that other Alliance(s) and Corporation(s) residing in NPC sovereignty are not safe! It may take a while for the other Arcs to get off the ground due to lack of staff but we will keep providing rich content to everyone! Some players have complained that the risk involved in the event was too high. The risk in this event was variable and depended on player interaction. If BoB players had decided not to engage, the only action would have been putting the POS into reinforced mode. If, on the other hand, BoB attacked then they would have an opportunity to destroy the capital ships. It is a fine line drawing risk vs. reward and we will take your concerns under advisement. While it is true that we do not build our ships, we do offer appropriate rewards for the risks players take. Concerns about the Serpentis Fleet spawning suddenly and without regard to game mechanics can be answered by looking at the environment of the fight. A large Serpentis shipyard exists in the system, and the fleet had been positioned previously before the fight. That is why there was no cynosural field before the capital ships appeared. Some players have aired concerns about the Serpentis attacking multiple POS and having a significant impact on their sovereignty or POS operations. Aurora is aware of these concerns and any attack against a POS is looked at carefully. Taking into account the Serpentis shipyard in a2v6-6 and the future progression of the story, attacking this POS was within event guidelines. I think thatÆs as much as I can remember from reading over this thread only once briefly, IÆm sure there are other questions but I doubt I will answer them unless I feel they are important. Please do not attempt to twist my words to start a flame war as your attempts will be ignored and I will stop answering all questions on the forums as a result. - Regards For The Win Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Acwron	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:30:00 - [130] Edited by: Acwron on 30/01/2006 18:33:59 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Rod Blaine And carefull readers might even notice that no BoB have complained here directly about how BoB lost an amount of ships that most smaller alliances would need weeks to even replace. The serpentis in one fight probably cost BoB more isk in losses then the total of G and FA/VC/IMP efforts in the last couple of weeks did. Eeeerm did i miss anyhting, but according to your kilb u lost about 10 bs or so and couple of support and theres a rumour of a downed dread. Is that all or was there more destroyed??? Woodie, do you really think 10bs, some support and a dread will even come close to denting our finances and combat power? What Rod is saying, that the serps and their amazing powers of spawn, killed more of our ships and did more damage to us in one day, than any of those other alliances have done in weeks. Well actually Diana G didn't move against BoB since the time you were in Iron space (except for the little serp event in YZ-). So what what Rod was saying could be true though his way of measuring is quite questionable (of course we didn't do damage when we didn't even go there). Problem is Ryan did. The six BS downed by serpentis and the dread (thats what your killboard shows so it's a valid question by woody) come pretty close to the amount of BoB BS/HACs and the faction fitted machariel he killed. (and that's not 10b more like 2-4b) But still I fail to see how this is connected with the event anyway. Other quite interesting "facts" in this thread is the supposed short notice you had (minutes yeah right). Around 16 EVE time about 20-25 Evol already moved to A2V6 in order to deploy more guns at the POS. You knew about the event already on Saturday probably earlier. As for Bob not having the option to fight G. Well. We exposed yourselfs for about 15 minutes in 4C- and more than half an hour in Bf-. And in Bf- dbp fleet was just 1-3 BS and about 10 support short while having 10 BS and 10 support ready to jump in from 5W-. We even streched out the fleet and still you would not engage. I've still no idea why. @Dracorimus: yeah right Given the lag (the full fleet had emergency when jumping into 4C-) jumping into a 10 bubbles camp in A2V6 was not an option. That kind of camp is like saying: "Screw you guys we just want kills not a fight.". That the fleet in 4C- only attacked to kill 3 of our guys who laged out while jumping to Bf- only emphasis this impression. Ok guys we got the message. When the serpentis finally did show up (after 2 hours waiting) G already had decided the 3rd time to call it a night given the lag and that it was already quite late for a sunday evening. Normally I wouldn't bother to post but the spinning and general bull**** is this thread is astonishing. Normal one can expect better posts from from you Diana. PS: It was an great effort by ISD to get these events going though given the server performance it didn't play out as good as it could have been.
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:37:00 - [131] Originally by: Earthan Edited by: Earthan on 30/01/2006 18:15:11 Quote: Where all about risk and fun, why u think we jump in on everyone ALWAYS You dont. Read my reply above the one starting with facts. I have been there , i ahve seen it. We have commanders with different styles. In every (big) fight there are tons of factors. You can try to eliminate all unknown factors but there will always be some unpredictable ones. This also depends on the knowledge of the FC and whoever is assisting. That is where the gambling part is. Some fleet commanders like to gamble more than others. Another thing is that its still a game many people play for their amusement. Sometimes you give a little for the sake of action. But seriously though, we've engaged our enemy's many times with lesser numbers and they know it.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:48:00 - [132] Originally by: Earthan Again maybe its not such an offence for me to say you dont engage until outnumbering/outgunining enemy.I mean its normal wise rule of fighting. But saying its us who do this with our style of fighting is purely laughable Stop trying to derail this thread. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:55:00 - [133] Ok i wont post anyome i have said waht i wanted. If somebody insults my alliance and posts untrue facts i wont stand idle. ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..."
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.30 18:57:00 - [134] Edited by: TWD on 30/01/2006 18:57:50 Originally by: Cmd woodlouse Errrm, Ryan Routine alone? Cmon Diana, check ur kb and repeat what ur saying Ryan is a pretty good pvper, and should thank him for training some of our players. Although we made 6x that (what we lost in total) in XZH though. Unfortunately when adding a few mails missing on our killboard, the score is no longer in our favor
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:11:00 - [135] Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/01/2006 19:11:46 Originally by: Acwron As for Bob not having the option to fight G. Well. We exposed yourselfs for about 15 minutes in 4C- and more than half an hour in Bf-. And in Bf- dbp fleet was just 1-3 BS and about 10 support short while having 10 BS and 10 support ready to jump in from 5W-. We even streched out the fleet and still you would not engage. I've still no idea why. In 4c- initially my job was to get to a2v6, I asked whether I should engage and the consensus was to get there in one piece and mess around with you as long as possible. No worries, we jumped you at the gate as you left and got a couple of support kills for a bit of fun and made you hold off reaching a2v6 for a bit longer. In BF- we finally decided to attack because it looked like you had decided to not hit a2v6 but then I got the info that NORAD had a tiny fleet just waiting to be ganked next door sitting on the gate with bubbles out. At the same point, our support fleet had arrived near 5wae just to hear that the serps had arrived so I sent them back to deal with that. Having a lag-fest scrap with G wasn't a consideration for me last night, you came to own our pos in a2v6 alongside the Serps. My job was to stop you reaching a2v6 anyway I could :p If you were bored waiting, you knew where a2v6 was. Not my fault your fc's decided against moving on it. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:19:00 - [136] Originally by: TWD Unfortunately when adding a few mails missing on our killboard, the score is no longer in our favor Does this mean we finally made up for the loss of jurushys uberfitted dread? \o/ -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
Mustafa Ken'Yova	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:22:00 - [137] Originally by: Kinsy Edited by: Kinsy on 30/01/2006 19:11:24 Monty Burns. Hands rub. excellent... Feel sorry for you about the lag, though, but its pretty fair to say we've all been on the recieving end at some point. So it evens out, sort of. And you got 4 Tuvan reps...christ, you dont want to know what we got for losing our fleet in NOL. out of curiousity wut did CELES end up getting for that? ......
TWD	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:25:00 - [138] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TWD Unfortunately when adding a few mails missing on our killboard, the score is no longer in our favor Does this mean we finally made up for the loss of jurushys uberfitted dread? \o/ Nah - just based on insurance payout on ships @ our killboard. Ofcourse it will be fixed again.
Jonkai	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:27:00 - [139] Bah, wanted to be there for this one too. Sods law though.
Jonkai	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:28:00 - [140] Originally by: Mustafa Ken'Yova Originally by: Kinsy Edited by: Kinsy on 30/01/2006 19:11:24 Monty Burns. Hands rub. excellent... Feel sorry for you about the lag, though, but its pretty fair to say we've all been on the recieving end at some point. So it evens out, sort of. And you got 4 Tuvan reps...christ, you dont want to know what we got for losing our fleet in NOL. out of curiousity wut did CELES end up getting for that? Ishtar BPO Cap ii BPO and 400bil
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.30 19:31:00 - [141] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: TWD Unfortunately when adding a few mails missing on our killboard, the score is no longer in our favor Does this mean we finally made up for the loss of jurushys uberfitted dread? \o/ Nah - just based on insurance payout on ships @ our killboard. Ofcourse it will be fixed again. We will see -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
Rael Anshak	Posted - 2006.01.30 20:15:00 - [142] Originally by: Jonkai Ishtar BPO Cap ii BPO and 400bil wut does that make it for celes then? 4 ishtars and 2 cap IIs :). <3 jonk ________ Hi
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:41:00 - [143] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 30/01/2006 19:03:39 Originally by: Sabaoth I would also like to add that other Alliance(s) and Corporation(s) residing in NPC sovereignty are not safe! It may take a while for the other Arcs to get off the ground due to lack of staff but we will keep providing rich content to everyone! Just ouf of sheer interest, what about those of us residing in regions without NPC sovereignity? These Events are starting to look more and more interesting and i'd love to be involved in some myself. You can go up to Curse or Stain if the event is there
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.01.30 22:58:00 - [144] I'm quite aware of where i can and cannot go Lalliepants.
Jean	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:28:00 - [145] Edited by: Jean on 30/01/2006 23:32:38 Originally by: Ribbo oh god, not you again. Jean is the same pilot who flew 30odd jumps into a system we had lit up the map. Him and his 4 AF/Intie buddies then proceeded to scan us down to a moon, they then warped to us and suicided themselves against a bob bs/hac fleet that was busy shooting at a downed pos, for words of many that could be heard in the laughter than followed was "how" "stupid" "is" "he" eddz, reel your mouse in. he really doesnt know how to play big boys eve. Ribbo OMG Ribbo.. Why are you so mad? No need to get all rowdy... FYI That 'op' was led by tj... Vleppie and myself said to disengage, but as you should know, a KIA pilot doesnt let his/her buddies fight nor die alone - Prolly much like ur current corp/alliance does as well - So when tj decided to engage we kamikazi'd with him. LEEEROY JENNNNKINS! ----------------------------- Specialist in Digital Analogy
Braaage	Posted - 2006.01.30 23:41:00 - [146] Quote: While it is true that we do not build our ships, we do offer appropriate rewards for the risks players take. This is beyond a joke and not even funny..... I'm not going into detail because no one has officially replied for ASCN but I suggest you look at 3 things: 1) How many took part in the event (player wise) 2) What was lost by the players 3) What you offer as a reward For our encounter those 3 things are so heavily unbalanced it's beyond comprehension. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Jonkai	Posted - 2006.01.31 00:37:00 - [147] Edited by: Jonkai on 31/01/2006 00:37:03 Originally by: Rael Anshak Originally by: Jonkai Ishtar BPO Cap ii BPO and 400bil wut does that make it for celes then? 4 ishtars and 2 cap IIs :). <3 jonk <3 u too
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.01.31 00:54:00 - [148] Edited by: BlackRain on 31/01/2006 00:55:48 Originally by: Jean OMG Ribbo.. Why are you so mad? No need to get all rowdy... FYI That 'op' was led by tj... Vleppie and myself said to disengage, but as you should know, a KIA pilot doesnt let his/her buddies fight nor die alone - Prolly much like ur current corp/alliance does as well - So when tj decided to engage we kamikazi'd with him. LEEEROY JENNNNKINS! As for your insults... I hope Molle puts you on tritmining ops! Jean, you came in here spouting venom, what do you expect? To you I say something which should be quite familiar to all who flew in KIA when I still was around. The acronym has four letters, it starts with S and ends with a U. k? ------------------- -
Jean	Posted - 2006.01.31 06:31:00 - [149] Originally by: BlackRain Edited by: BlackRain on 31/01/2006 00:55:48 Originally by: Jean OMG Ribbo.. Why are you so mad? No need to get all rowdy... FYI That 'op' was led by tj... Vleppie and myself said to disengage, but as you should know, a KIA pilot doesnt let his/her buddies fight nor die alone - Prolly much like ur current corp/alliance does as well - So when tj decided to engage we kamikazi'd with him. LEEEROY JENNNNKINS! As for your insults... I hope Molle puts you on tritmining ops! Jean, you came in here spouting venom, what do you expect? To you I say something which should be quite familiar to all who flew in KIA when I still was around. The acronym has four letters, it starts with S and ends with a U. k? I was sputing, eh... because I used the word 'pethetic'... Jeez the new once-KIA-now-BNC members are easy to offend. Which reminds me, BlackRain and Ribbo: Aren't you two of the pilots that deserted KIA to join our contracted enemy during a time of war? I have an acronym for you too: It starts with an F and ends with OFF! ----------------------------- Specialist in Digital Analogy
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.01.31 08:11:00 - [150] Jean: shut up. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.

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