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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.30 05:42:00 -
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Okay, I'll ask because I'm at work and dying to know:
I was looking at the BoB Killboard this morning and saw that the Serpentis showed up in 4C-B7X last night with at least 3 Moros Dreads and a frakin' NYX! 
Looks like one hell of a fight.
Then in A2V6-6, BoB took down a Serp Moros and it looks like another major battle took place with the same force.
This Serp thing against BoB seems to be shaping up into something much more than the average "one-shot" events of the past. The MC has been approached as part of this storyline and a couple others as well.
I've also heard a lot about the Sansha vs. Angels/ASCN conflict going on in the south. That seems to be shaping up as well into something long-term.
What else is going on out there? Is it time to applaud the Events Team for finally finding some resolve and sticking it to the players a bit?  How much more of this can we expect to see in the future?
I'd love to hear comments from everyone involved as to what your experiences have been over the past month or so.
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Leno
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Posted - 2006.01.30 05:57:00 -
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Sounds pretty cool if this is true, i havent really been paying attention to this stuff.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I'll ask because I'm at work and dying to know:
I was looking at the BoB Killboard this morning and saw that the Serpentis showed up in 4C-B7X last night with at least 3 Moros Dreads and a frakin' NYX!
Looks like one hell of a fight.
Then in A2V6-6, BoB took down a Serp Moros and it looks like another major battle took place with the same force.
This Serp thing against BoB seems to be shaping up into something much more than the average "one-shot" events of the past. The MC has been approached as part of this storyline and a couple others as well.
I've also heard a lot about the Sansha vs. Angels/ASCN conflict going on in the south. That seems to be shaping up as well into something long-term.
What else is going on out there? Is it time to applaud the Events Team for finally finding some resolve and sticking it to the players a bit? How much more of this can we expect to see in the future?
I'd love to hear comments from everyone involved as to what your experiences have been over the past month or so.
Get back to work slacker
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:17:00 -
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This was discussed - thoroughly - in the OOC channel.
I'll grant this is hearsay, but the BoB folks I spoke to were unbelieveably ****ed at the way this event was handled. The Nyx/Moros gankfleet essentially spawned right on top of their PoS as they were fighting GIRON, and forced the PoS into reinforced mode. The events team then proceeded to spawn NPCs right in the middle of the BoB fleet as they were fighting the Nyx and the Moroses.
The folks I spoke to seemed to find all of this far more cheap than they did enjoyable.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cowboy
Get back to work slacker
1.) Monday morning + snow on the roads = dead office.
2.) You have two weeks off and are behind on your mining quota, slacker.
To add to the original topic - AFAIK, Mordus Legion have gone into extended hibernation again so no progress on that front AFAIK. 
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
The events team then proceeded to spawn NPCs right in the middle of the BoB fleet as they were fighting the Nyx and the Moroses.
This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???
Cowboy mining! HAH! 
"Long Live the Fighters!"
"The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:20:00 -
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Five moros and a Nyx that took down our POS and distracted us from a fleet fight with G. Aurora aren't even fun to fight because they fly uber pimped ships and then let you win a little (the dread we killed was left by his buddies with not even a attempt by the others to snipe, or by the Nyx which called have killed the tacklers easy). Oh and motherships > all. That many fighters is insane to fight, and the damn mothership can warp around at will (total immunity to *all* EW, that includes webs and scramblers). And moros are evil, I got wrecked for 900 by an Ogre II, in rifter, not webbed or MWDing.
Im annoyed because I would rather have fought G. It is just no fun fighting uber pwn machines that let you win. Oh and now we get to babysit the POS until it gets out of reinforced. The fun, the fun.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
The events team then proceeded to spawn NPCs right in the middle of the BoB fleet as they were fighting the Nyx and the Moroses.
This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
This was discussed - thoroughly - in the OOC channel.
I'll grant this is hearsay, but the BoB folks I spoke to were unbelieveably ****ed at the way this event was handled. The Nyx/Moros gankfleet essentially spawned right on top of their PoS as they were fighting GIRON, and forced the PoS into reinforced mode. The events team then proceeded to spawn NPCs right in the middle of the BoB fleet as they were fighting the Nyx and the Moroses.
The folks I spoke to seemed to find all of this far more cheap than they did enjoyable.
No, no. They spawned ten jumps *behind* our fleet. Ten jumps of dead end systems. No cyno or anything. If they had at least cynoed in a lot of people would have been less annoyed. I mean are we to worry that any of our POS could have a whole bunch of Aurora dreads jump in with zero notice? For real players it takes quite a bit of time and effort to move capital ships around, but aurora can be anywhere in eve in less then a minute. Realistically you can't raise a fleet quickly enough to fend off attack.
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DarkXeRoX
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:35:00 -
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The fact that the servers can't realy handle big fights isn't realy helpfull either
was looking forward for a good fight but i should have known the lag would kill that plesure again...
Would be better if ccp sorted out all that stuff before spawning loads of fleetbattles out of thin air.
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Galavet
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Okay, I'll ask because I'm at work and dying to know:
I was looking at the BoB Killboard this morning and saw that the Serpentis showed up in 4C-B7X last night with at least 3 Moros Dreads and a frakin' NYX!
Looks like one hell of a fight.
Then in A2V6-6, BoB took down a Serp Moros and it looks like another major battle took place with the same force.
This Serp thing against BoB seems to be shaping up into something much more than the average "one-shot" events of the past. The MC has been approached as part of this storyline and a couple others as well.
I've also heard a lot about the Sansha vs. Angels/ASCN conflict going on in the south. That seems to be shaping up as well into something long-term.
What else is going on out there? Is it time to applaud the Events Team for finally finding some resolve and sticking it to the players a bit? How much more of this can we expect to see in the future?
I'd love to hear comments from everyone involved as to what your experiences have been over the past month or so.
This is the quick version of what happend today, I can give you the details on MSN when I get into work myself.
Serps appear out of thin air with Multiple captial ships (mothership 6 dreads) and make a move onto A2V6. Molle is able to get a gang of about 45 to 50 together to counter/stall the attack.
A group of about 50 BoB move up from Delve and run into a G/NORAD fleet (80ish) in 4C who in our guess were heading to join the serps in A2 for some fun. Some dancing was done and both fleets end up one jump outside of 4C.
Next the Lag Monster showed up.
We get word of 10 NORAD ships sitting in 4C covering the gate back in, our scout failed to mention the Lag Monster had set up camp with them, we suspect he was flying a Raven.
50 plus BoB BS and TechII ships Jump into 10 NORAD Dominix and Ravens. Loading.. Loading.. Loading.. Loading.. Loading.. ffs we staggered our jumps in groups of 15 over 30 seconds apart... Loading.. Loading.. Emergency Warps back to the gate.. No enemys to be seen. Dead. The game could not handle a 50V10 gank and froze on us. The 10 proceeded to BBQ everyone on emergency warps and G support came through and added to the Lag.
I stormed off cursing loudly, I think G went home about this same time.
Later I hear our few guys attacking a Serp Capital fleet and downing one moros, as the ships continued to spawn on top of their heads. Didnt sound to pretty.
Listen I love events and all, but maybe put off brining 2 alliances and a capital ship fleet until after the server upgrades are done. Pretty Please?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.01.30 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???
I think Oveur used them in the Mordu rp aswell atleast once against MC/BOB.
Oh and sigh. Fix the goddamn game. Jumping in alone into an empty system will take up to 5 minutes if you are unlucky nowadays. Is EVE really reduced to luck of the draw nodes?
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 30/01/2006 07:01:30
Originally by: Seleene
2.) You have two weeks off and are behind on your mining quota, slacker.
Whoa, whoa now. Be careful throwing around the words mining and slacker in the same sentence. I start to get paranoid sometimes! 
The event sounds like it had the potential to have been a lot of fun, but lag has been a ridiculous problem these last few days especially. Even in small gangs of less than 5, I've been in situations where it literally took us ten minutes to move through a system - only to give up afterwards and log off because we can't be assed playing in such conditions.
I led a 40 pilot gang against a POS about a week ago in Delve, even just that was trying my patience. Kudos to you guys for putting up a fight even in the face of lag, I know I wouldn't have even bothered.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/01/2006 07:02:20
"This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???"
It's the result of the recent event in pf-346 i think (the one which involved MC, Norad, Imp and BoB) ... players complained after how the events were no fun because the event team could at best field couple battleships which of course die quickly to focused fire of typical player fleet. Oveur said he basically agrees, and the event team got clearance to use larger (capital) ships, better equipment and ability to spawn NPCs as their 'guards'
Basically we (players) got what we asked for, minus the servers' ability to actually handle this all >.<;
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 30/01/2006 07:08:02
Originally by: j0sephine
"This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???"
It's the result of the recent event in pf-346 i think (the one which involved MC, Norad, Imp and BoB) ... players complained after how the events were no fun because the event team could at best field couple battleships which of course die quickly to focused fire of typical player fleet.
Well, it wasn't just that... more along the lines of Oveur being in local and a little OOC chatter getting funny. We said a few things and then there's a giant black monolith in front of our fleet threatening to "devolve" us. Then when we started *****ing about not being able to blow it up, RAT warped in at long range and then...
THIS HAPPENED!
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
The events team then proceeded to spawn NPCs right in the middle of the BoB fleet as they were fighting the Nyx and the Moroses.
This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???
They were spawned in the prime fiction event where cloaking devices were used.
As a side note, isnt this kinda thing why CCP wasnt supposed to do events in 0.0? cause it imbalances eve politics? Not to mention accusations of favoritism? Remember the jovian event?
I mean, 0.0 events are nice and all, but taking in multiple capital ships, especially motherships against alliance bases? thats pretty questionable. Whats next? in the middle of fleet battles an Aurora Titan will spawn, drop its doomsday and call it an event? Is that supposed to be fun?
How about intriguing stories and memorable characters? Im not saying make events risk free and easy loot where players should never die, but if your going to be wtfpwn'ing people they should at least have the choice if they want to parttake in the events.
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Deadspace For Dead space!
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Dukath
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:22:00 -
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I think its good that these things start to happen and i hope that the event team sees these criticisms as constructive and helps them to make sure the events grow out to more fair and balanced events.
positive
1) On the plus side I like the fact that the event team is teaming up with real players. This lowers their reliability on having to spawn NPCs.
2) I like the fact that they use capital ships.
negative
1) Why in hells name on a sunday evening late at night? Friday evening, saturday evening, sunday during the day... but please stop doing these things when most of us have to prep to go to work the next day.
2) please be realistic in the gameplay. With this i mean use characters with normal skillpoints and gear. Sure you can use faction stuff but not every skilllevel needs to be at level 5. Use cynofields FFS. Spawning a capital fleet without any warning is just stupid. I know it takes a bit more work, having one event guy transport himself to 6 systems and setting up the fields, but it would make the event so muhc more realistic and at least give the other side a reasonable warning.
3) i heard rumours early in the day about G + serpentis attacking our POS. very nice, I assumed serpentis would bring in capital ships with G fleet being support and their own caps. Then G moves in, decides its not worth it and withdraws. That means that the serpentis fleet doesnt have their own support. So you should have been ****** when your allies leave you alone. Not simply spawn your own support fleet. Otherwise you completely unbalance the fights and give an unfair advantage to one side. Take it up with G for running and ruining the attack if that happens, don't just screw BoB by spawning more ships to your liking.
Please take these things into consideration for next event.
Thanks
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 30/01/2006 07:34:24
/me points, laughs, doubles over choking and coughing with tears leaking out the corners of his eyes 'cause he's laughing so hard, then suddenly sobers up as he realizes this could happen to him.
EDIT: Galavet, you, Zardock, Rohan, and Lukia still have some killmails you haven't posted on the BoB killboards. Hint. Hint.
-Wrayeth
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:40:00 -
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well whats the ******* point really making event like these when major events (e.g Gallente Election) hasnt even started and it was announced one and a half year ago?
"We brake for nobody"
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:42:00 -
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Dukath's post is excellent.
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
well whats the ******* point really making event like these when major events (e.g Gallente Election) hasnt even started and it was announced one and a half year ago?
You're not the only one wondering this, Ice.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 30/01/2006 07:08:02
Originally by: j0sephine
"This is the first time I've heard of the Events Team using NPC's. WTF???"
It's the result of the recent event in pf-346 i think (the one which involved MC, Norad, Imp and BoB) ... players complained after how the events were no fun because the event team could at best field couple battleships which of course die quickly to focused fire of typical player fleet.
Well, it wasn't just that... more along the lines of Oveur being in local and a little OOC chatter getting funny. We said a few things and then there's a giant black monolith in front of our fleet threatening to "devolve" us. Then when we started *****ing about not being able to blow it up, RAT warped in at long range and then...
THIS HAPPENED!
OMG, that's worth it just for the music and the quotes at the beginning.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:01:00 -
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"Well, it wasn't just that... more along the lines of Oveur being in local and a little OOC chatter getting funny."
Hey, i was there ^^ (best line in local imo was someone asking Oveur to spawn Ginger Magician on the gate ;s) ... when i said people whined and Oveur responded to it, was referring to thread that took place after, in this forum section ^^;;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:05:00 -
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"well whats the ******* point really making event like these when major events (e.g Gallente Election) hasnt even started and it was announced one and a half year ago?"
CCP has pretty much admitted not that long ago they don't have manpower to handle event of this size, so it's likely abandoned at least until Kali with its factional warfare system....
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:12:00 -
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Interesting day for me yesterday.
After organising BoB to roll from delve to A2V6 in 3 groups to try and avoid lag (kudos to the 100 BoB who rolled at a minutes notice... all other alliances really should fear that)
We got two of the groups into a2v6 and they set up an excellent defence with about 60 people consisting of BS, Capital Ships and Lots of Bubbles (and BubBLeS) and prolly some cake for when G arrive.
G had a fleet of 80, which my group of 40 run straight into (another 5 minutes and we would have been ahead of them and into a2v6). So I play the funny catch them as they are jumping out game. No point in trying to fight directly or going long range with half the numbers and stupid lag. We simply would have died.
Finally, we are one jump out from 4c- waiting for them to try and move again when we hear about the NORAD dudes sitting on the other side. Easy Meat.
Give the call to jump in and stay cloaked. No one loaded at all, we had 3 times their numbers and we didn't kill any of them and lost about 8 BS I think.
Bah Humbug.
G at this point up and go home, they were stuck between a rock, a hard place and some severe lag. Don't blame them for going home but they should have guessed they wouldn't be allowed to simply roll over a BoB pos without a reaction.
My fleet inside 4c- is decimated but finally starts logging on, we get a few guys back together and go back in against Norad. This time we encounter no lag and simply decimate norad for a couple of support losses.
By this time the serps team are in full flow against our pos, Shrike's Revelation has been insta-popped by fighters. Yes, that's a dreadnought being instapopped pretty much.
Our guys are trying hit and runs, desperately picking off a few of the fighters and taking heavy losses.
We aim to go back, get within 5 jumps and most of my gang gets lagged out completely. Reboot > can't log back in.
We sit and listen to fight on TS, eventually the events people start pulling back and one dreadnought is left to die.
The second the fight is finished, the lag instantly clears for my group and we can enter a2v6.
Thoughts on the evening...
I lost half my fleet jumping into an undisciplined group a third of my size, that simply shouldn't happen in this game.
The events team gave us an amazing battle with all of BoB rolling for it, it could have been legendary if the servers could handle it.
Again we have seen the power of the capital ships, anyone complaining about not getting a chance to fight them should seriously ponder if they have the ability to lose a whole fleet of ships without concern (coz we did).
Why G and Serps seemingly teamed up is a bit beyond me, I guess serps saw how rubbish VC/FA/IMP were and decided to go for the heavy mob. Considering G can hold their own against us anyway, I wonder what would have happened if we had teamed up with the serps against G?
Anyway, I had wicked fun overall, the guys with me were superb in discipline and we eventually got that fight versus Norad, just wish we coulda made the serp fight too.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: DarkXeRoX
The fact that the servers can't realy handle big fights isn't realy helpfull either
The servers can't handle a medium fight either. There were 40ish BoB vs the 7 Serps and lag was a real *****. Not really bad but every now and then someone would just lose control over their ship, and warping back to the POS took forever. At least it wasnt in fountain where we had people emergency warping off at every jimp.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 30/01/2006 08:20:17
Originally by: DB Preacher
By this time the serps team are in full flow against our pos, Shrike's Revelation has been insta-popped by fighters. Yes, that's a dreadnought being instapopped pretty much.
I haven't seen Shrikes combat log but the killmail has all the Moros on it using Orgre II's. And those Ogres were wrecking my rifter for 900, times that by 30 and it is a hell of a lot of firepower.
Moros > other dreads. But mothership > all. Even having six frigs bumbing him wasn't enough to stop that mothership from warping.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Why G and Serps seemingly teamed up is a bit beyond me, I guess serps saw how rubbish VC/FA/IMP were and decided to go for the heavy mob. Considering G can hold their own against us anyway, I wonder what would have happened if we had teamed up with the serps against G?
If people are supposed to keep the larger storyline intact with with real eve politics it has the potential to get messy and counting on the npc factions is iffy since they tend to go awol for long bits... Then again it would absolutely rawk if the bigger pvp alliances in this game took an actual stance and acted according to the traditional rivalries Imho
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: DB Preacher
Why G and Serps seemingly teamed up is a bit beyond me, I guess serps saw how rubbish VC/FA/IMP were and decided to go for the heavy mob. Considering G can hold their own against us anyway, I wonder what would have happened if we had teamed up with the serps against G?
If people are supposed to keep the larger storyline intact with with real eve politics it has the potential to get messy and counting on the npc factions is iffy since they tend to go awol for long bits... Then again it would absolutely rawk if the bigger pvp alliances in this game took an actual stance and acted according to the traditional rivalries Imho
Ya, I don't mind it getting messy.
I was more talking about how it would look if BoB were to team up with an NPC faction to go and attack a hostile POS in a random place.
Can you imagine the cries of favouritism and hax0rsploit?
I personally welcome the challenge... bring on everyone against us but that doesn't stop me being a little annoyed at the duality of the situation.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:43:00 -
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I yearn to fly a Nyx.. 
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Edited by: theRaptor on 30/01/2006 08:20:17
Originally by: DB Preacher
By this time the serps team are in full flow against our pos, Shrike's Revelation has been insta-popped by fighters. Yes, that's a dreadnought being instapopped pretty much.
I haven't seen Shrikes combat log but the killmail has all the Moros on it using Orgre II's. And those Ogres were wrecking my rifter for 900, times that by 30 and it is a hell of a lot of firepower.
Moros > other dreads. But mothership > all. Even having six frigs bumbing him wasn't enough to stop that mothership from warping.
Those fighters were like those ogres on steroids... I got the fraps of the dreaddy going down from a fighter viewpoint, which prolly was my highlight of the evening. Then my HD became full -.- and I didn't get any of the 1-2 hours of combat that followed on fraps :( .
For me the evening was 2 parts, first preparing and being let down by the G fleets failure to actually arrive, we had everything set for a great fight and then that didn't happen. I think people have spoken about various reasons for that already.
An hour later or so I hear the word 6 dreads and figure it might be time to stop playing other games and get back into EVE, I just jump into a2v and behold, there's 6 moros and a nyx sitting at the entrance gate. Once the initial "Oh **** I'm gonna die!" goes by I remember that I'm in a stiletto and they can't touch me unless drones/fighters come out and just make my exit from that gate. Then follows about 2 hours worth of dreads vs POS combat with their maxed out(assumption) characters and supergear vs what we could muster to log back in. Sunday evening isn't the prime EVE time for many of the working and family having people but we still manage a pretty nice amount of people.
The lag for me wasn't that bad, although my stiletto died at one point and it took a minute before I actually got my pod, having firlborlgs+ogres after your ass is hard...
Atleast during the dread fight the lag was mainly when entering the POS area, once it loaded it ran smoothly, atleast for me.
Since I didn't get the whole thing on fraps I doubt I'll have enough to cut a proper vid from but I might put the dread popping by fighters up just cause it looked so good...
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