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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1727
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:38:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: On that note, I can't remember who had it, but I remember seeing a sig once on a respected GD regular that stated that if you cannot defend what you have, it was never yours to begin with.
I believe that is Tippia.
edit - yup
Tippia's Sig wrote: GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
stoicfaux
3259
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:44:00 -
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A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1204
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:51:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
Mine while at the keyboard? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17030
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:56:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: On that note, I can't remember who had it, but I remember seeing a sig once on a respected GD regular that stated that if you cannot defend what you have, it was never yours to begin with.
I believe that is Tippia. edit - yup Tippia's Sig wrote: GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Originally from here. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Velicitia wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: On that note, I can't remember who had it, but I remember seeing a sig once on a respected GD regular that stated that if you cannot defend what you have, it was never yours to begin with.
I believe that is Tippia. edit - yup Tippia's Sig wrote: GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Originally from here.
That guy deserves a medal, and so do you for holding onto that since 2009. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
84
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:12:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote: TearsGäó
You don't like a game, don't play it. Its a simple as that. This is a sandbox where anything can happen and you should have done the research before putting real life time and money into a sub. Playing Eve is a privileged, not a right. Just because you don't agree with another players playstyle doesn't mean that (so long as it is within game rules) you are allowed to defame, call out, or personally attack them on the forums or any other means of communication. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! |
Aiyana Bayushi
Miners in Pink
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:38:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote: TearsGäó You don't like a game, don't play it. Its a simple as that. This is a sandbox where anything can happen and you should have done the research before putting real life time and money into a sub. Playing Eve is a privileged, not a right. Just because you don't agree with another players playstyle doesn't mean that (so long as it is within game rules) you are allowed to defame, call out, or personally attack them on the forums or any other means of communication.
Tears lol , please learn to read people , I am looking forward to the fight problem is I can 't find any damn targets lol.
Forum insults are like being on a blob KM , its a pointless way to get people to laugh at you not with you.
I did not know they had been forum trolling or I'd would have not bothered posting and for the record I war decced the alliance after they joined the fight hows that crying lol. Have not seen a single war target yet
Plan on keeping the corp war dec but keeping the alliance one is pointless since they are not coming out to play and have allied with the corp. Either way I'll rack up kills as soon as someone shows up to kill. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:04:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote:Have not seen a single war target yet
Have you tried logging on? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
196
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:09:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
Pay up, buddy or next time it's not your window that goes. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
717
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:16:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote: TearsGäó You don't like a game, don't play it. Its a simple as that. This is a sandbox where anything can happen and you should have done the research before putting real life time and money into a sub. Playing Eve is a privileged, not a right. Just because you don't agree with another players playstyle doesn't mean that (so long as it is within game rules) you are allowed to defame, call out, or personally attack them on the forums or any other means of communication. Tears lol , please learn to read people , I am looking forward to the fight problem is I can 't find any damn targets lol. Forum insults are like being on a blob KM , its a pointless way to get people to laugh at you not with you. I did not know they had been forum trolling or I'd would have not bothered posting and for the record I war decced the alliance after they joined the fight hows that crying lol. Have not seen a single war target yet Plan on keeping the corp war dec but keeping the alliance one is pointless since they are not coming out to play and have allied with the corp. Either way I'll rack up kills as soon as someone shows up to kill.
Hi there war target, how's it hangin?
Just a protip, so you don't waste time...the vast majority of New Order Logistics are gankers. We're outlaw status, so we can't undock for honorable space ~gudfites~.
Here's hoping the rest of CODE. can generate some awesome and fun content for you, though! Lots of us gank alts are getting our normal PVP chars in position to ally in. Been awhile since we've had a good ol' fashioned throw-down war.
Best of luck to ya! The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
766
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:20:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
Find some friends
Learn to fight
Dont be a target
You wanna get nuts?
LETS GET NUTS
Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4091
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:30:00 -
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I need to pee :/ |
Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
436
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:32:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
Only in Happy Funtime Rainbow Unicorn Land is a wardec corp accepting allies "griefing". Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
209
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:35:00 -
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I dont think the miners would leave to SC , if i see the dev. of that game afk would be real suicide , eve is actully a soft game for afking .
Imagen going afk in war thunder , of with gta5 online to name a few. The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1727
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:36:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:A miner gets griefed for mining (i.e. bumped) and then gets griefed when they try to fight back (jumped by an alliance.)
What message are we sending here?
CCP says that "bumping" is not griefing. Doesn't matter what you, I, James, or any other player think about it.
Getting jumped by an alliance is a completely possible outcome of a wardec ... since when was "having friends" (or "being bait") considered griefing?
I believe the message is twofold:
1. Don't AFK EVE 2. Get friends One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
SpoonRECKLESS
Bumper R Us
81
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:36:00 -
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You don't say. Blue
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Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
436
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:49:00 -
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I hope OP wasn't counting on Frost Fuels Logistics to heed the clarion call to rebel action against the New Order. CEO Krall Vir wardec'd our intrepid bumper's corp, then dropped corp himself. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6359
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:13:00 -
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Confirming "Open Letters" are Flavor of the Week.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
288
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:25:00 -
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Every time someone snaps and fights back, or starts teaching people how not to get bumped or ganked, it only proves that the New Order was right all along.
This is exactly the lesson they were trying to teach you, and you fell for it and became pawns in their game.
The only way to defeat those New Order folks is to relentlessly and aggressively mine ore AFK in highsec, and then again and again until they learn that they can't stop you.
Proving them right only makes them laugh harder. "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
469
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:37:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote: TearsGäó You don't like a game, don't play it. Its a simple as that. This is a sandbox where anything can happen and you should have done the research before putting real life time and money into a sub. Playing Eve is a privileged, not a right. Just because you don't agree with another players playstyle doesn't mean that (so long as it is within game rules) you are allowed to defame, call out, or personally attack them on the forums or any other means of communication. I can 't find any damn targets lol.
I don't think that's going to be a problem after today. I consulted the magic 8-ball and it sees lots of avatar photo shoots and ship spinning in your future. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
477
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:55:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Zazz Razzamatazz
New Order Permit Compliance Division
0
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:20:00 -
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Since I am the recipient of Aiyana Bayushi's war dec, I thought I'd post my mail to her; in which I address some of the concerns she voiced here .
We in the New Order care about the opinions and feelings of the Highsec community we serve.
On Your Impending Surrender: From: Zazz Razzamatazz Sent: 2013.10.18 20:00 To: Aiyana Bayushi,
Greetings,
As our war commences I am gladdened to see your posts on EvE O and the www.minerbumping.com forums. It is always fascinating to peer behind the veil and see how the mind of a carebear works.
You are angered by the fact that I brought in allies, even though that was what you were going to do:
[ 2013.10.17 01:05:06 ] Aiyana Bayushi > wanna join the fun , I will turn on the assist as soon as he war goes live
And considering you seemed happy at the thought of facing down the entire New Order when you decced me:
[ 2013.10.17 00:58:26 ] Zazz Razzamatazz > Aiyana Bayushi www.minerbumping.com [ 2013.10.17 00:58:34 ] Zazz Razzamatazz > The New Order is bigger than one person [ 2013.10.17 00:58:46 ] Aiyana Bayushi > sweet bring all em on
I must admit to being confused by your resistance. You declare that AFK mining is wrong, yet continue to oppose the good work of one of the few organizations that is trying to end the scourge of botting and AFK mining in the game.
One of the goals of the New Order is to educate players about EvE Online and how it is played. We have already helped to educate you immensely. Before this war you believed:
That the aggressors in a war were entitled to allies: [ 2013.10.17 01:06:38 ] Aiyana Bayushi > another wadec on the poor ganker? wait til I can turn on the assist first :p
That the New Order was composed of only one person: [ 2013.10.17 00:58:25 ] Aiyana Bayushi > New order has one member
All of this very surprising since you claim to have been playing for GÇ£7+ yearsGÇ¥. [ 2013.10.17 00:52:54 ] Aiyana Bayushi > really 7+ yr in 0.0 only left because I got tired of the politics lol
While I only joined the game around 6 months ago, I am happy to help you understand the game mechanics better, it is one of the many services the New Order provides to the Highsec community.
I would remind you that you are the aggressor here. I was simply minding my own business enforcing the Code when you began attacking me in local.
You were not mining, you were not bumped by me nor any New Order agent in system, yet you chose to verbally attack the New Order and myself before declaring war.
Some may say that YOU were harassing ME, but I have a thick skin and try to see the best in people.
I instead believe that your actions were a cry for help. After 7+ years of fruitless bot-aspirancy you have grown tired of it and are finally ready to learn how to play the game.
So you reached out to the New Order.
And we are here to help you!
As I said when you declared this war, I am willing to accept your surrender when you are ready to give it.
The terms are simple:
Firstly, get right with the Code. Permits are needed, and they are 10mil per char per year. You unfortunately decided to go to war, and thus are on my GÇ£red pen listGÇ¥ which triples the fee. (read http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html for details) That is the cost of violent rebellion IGÇÖm afraid. So for you that is 30mil per character, and with 6 members in your corp (at the time of writing) that comes out to a total of only 180 million Isk.
Secondly the corp description and all memberGÇÖs bios must contain "I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. My Agent is Zazz Razzamatazz"
This will bring you into full compliance with the Code, which is you goal IGÇÖm sure.
I look forward to hearing your response.
Your friend, Zazz Razzamatazz Agent Plenipotentiary, New Order Permit Compliance Division |
Aiyana Bayushi
Miners in Pink
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:54:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote: TearsGäó You don't like a game, don't play it. Its a simple as that. This is a sandbox where anything can happen and you should have done the research before putting real life time and money into a sub. Playing Eve is a privileged, not a right. Just because you don't agree with another players playstyle doesn't mean that (so long as it is within game rules) you are allowed to defame, call out, or personally attack them on the forums or any other means of communication. Tears lol , please learn to read people , I am looking forward to the fight problem is I can 't find any damn targets lol. Forum insults are like being on a blob KM , its a pointless way to get people to laugh at you not with you. I did not know they had been forum trolling or I'd would have not bothered posting and for the record I war decced the alliance after they joined the fight hows that crying lol. Have not seen a single war target yet Plan on keeping the corp war dec but keeping the alliance one is pointless since they are not coming out to play and have allied with the corp. Either way I'll rack up kills as soon as someone shows up to kill. Hi there war target, how's it hangin? Just a protip, so you don't waste time...the vast majority of New Order Logistics are gankers. We're outlaw status, so we can't undock for honorable space ~gudfites~. Here's hoping the rest of CODE. can generate some awesome and fun content for you, though! Lots of us gank alts are getting our normal PVP chars in position to ally in. Been awhile since we've had a good ol' fashioned throw-down war. Best of luck to ya!
Thank you sir knight at least someone got the point of the post. Never know if to laugh or cry that so many seem to forget this is just a game and smack talking in the forums has long been a part of it.
I spent 7yrs or so in 0.0 fighting Bob and the Goons so by my count I got 3 yrs of rust to knock off my pvp skills , wanna be my rust remover sir knight :p
Oh btw please tell zazz or how ever you spell it that using a NOS on a Squid missile boat is a waste , my current build is not only cap stable it purposely has extra cap , even with all my mods on and his nos my cap never moved. And please tell me someone has a picture of that odin pilots face when his bomb barely dented my shield :p .
2 fights so far and since I had a blond moment and forgot my scram >.< they both were able to run , twice :p . |
Aiyana Bayushi
Miners in Pink
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:09:00 -
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LOL Zazz I have more disposable income then I got sense the wardec on your corp will stay til I get bored not til I surrender if Sir Knight is right and y'all are moving PvP alts in to play then I doubt I will end the dec any time soon. Now I am letting the dec on the alliance pass because I did that only to prove a point. Since they are gonna ally with you no sense in wasting isk :)
I do admit the point I made about finding ganking disgusting is true , I've seen it ruin to many good games and almost ruin this one. Reason I quit for 2yrs was over that. But since CCP seems to be learning I am happy to give it another try. But this is Eve and it is what it is.
As I said before I got out of corp mining alts to feed me mins and BPO's for every thing I use , oh PROTIP before I forget I was mining on alt while we were fighting today :p . So outside the wardec which cost me a whooping bank breaking 2 dollars a week this was is and will never cost me anything :) . And since I have no E-Peen to stroke losing ships and even clones does not bug me not only will I quickly knock the rust off I will learn new tricks , I may even move back to 0.0 space if I get the PvP bug again |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
998
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:53:00 -
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Aiyana, consider yourself watchlisted.
I will use locator agents to find you. I will strike without warning at a time of my choosing.
I will use unconventional tactics that you do not expect.
For James 315 - the rightful owner, ruler and saviour of highsec. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Aiyana Bayushi
Miners in Pink
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:14:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Aiyana, consider yourself watchlisted.
I will use locator agents to find you. I will strike without warning at a time of my choosing.
I will use unconventional tactics that you do not expect.
For James 315 - the rightful owner, ruler and saviour of highsec.
Lol can't tell if your really just badly RPing or clueless :p , I am in kamio and I watch local like a hawk so bring it on. Not to say you might catch me napping but right now I am either looking for war targets or mining in WH space.
so don't waste your time on a locator
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
440
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:46:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote:
Oh btw please tell zazz or how ever you spell it that using a NOS on a Squid missile boat is a waste , my current build is not only cap stable it purposely has extra cap , even with all my mods on and his nos my cap never moved. And please tell me someone has a picture of that odin pilots face when his bomb barely dented my shield :p .
2 fights so far and since I had a blond moment and forgot my scram >.< they both were able to run , twice :p .
I'd like to see the look on his face when he launched a bomb in hisec... currently you're giving blondes a bad name. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Aiyana Bayushi
Miners in Pink
5
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:07:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote:
Oh btw please tell zazz or how ever you spell it that using a NOS on a Squid missile boat is a waste , my current build is not only cap stable it purposely has extra cap , even with all my mods on and his nos my cap never moved. And please tell me someone has a picture of that odin pilots face when his bomb barely dented my shield :p .
2 fights so far and since I had a blond moment and forgot my scram >.< they both were able to run , twice :p .
I'd like to see the look on his face when he launched a bomb in hisec... currently you're giving blondes a bad name.
Something did 6k dmg :p assumed it was a bomb because we were in a area far away from the main areas and were at war. Never have fought a bomber in High Sec and did not think torps could do that much dmg. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1792
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:35:00 -
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Aiyana Bayushi wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Aiyana Bayushi wrote:
Oh btw please tell zazz or how ever you spell it that using a NOS on a Squid missile boat is a waste , my current build is not only cap stable it purposely has extra cap , even with all my mods on and his nos my cap never moved. And please tell me someone has a picture of that odin pilots face when his bomb barely dented my shield :p .
2 fights so far and since I had a blond moment and forgot my scram >.< they both were able to run , twice :p .
I'd like to see the look on his face when he launched a bomb in hisec... currently you're giving blondes a bad name. Something did 6k dmg :p assumed it was a bomb because we were in a area far away from the main areas and were at war. Never have fought a bomber in High Sec and did not think torps could do that much dmg.
You're missing the point.
You can't use bombs in high sec.
Seven years, you say? Huh. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Scarlet Firefly
Three Radioactive Assault Fish Frigates Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:08:00 -
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I'll just skip to the end of this thread instead of reading it to see if this issue has been answered.
They want war. They want kills. They want tears.
They don't want losses.
What you should do is either leave the area, befriend them by selling out other miners, or otherwise being helpful (probably too late for this), or make them feel pain. War dec is a bad idea, it makes you an easier target. You could try to get some of your buddies to use alts to high sec gank the bumpers, but that will make them upset, and the consequence will be you getting high sec ganked repeatedly, or just miners in that area getting ganked. Therefore, your best bet is to get friendly with a PvP corp that is bigger than your enemies corp. The problem is, most PvP corps don't fly around in high sec. So, what you should do is be AFK less. If you are AFK and get bumped, consider yourself lucky. You could have been ganked.
Here is another point of advice on high sec ganking of miners. Sometimes people do it for the thrill and kill. You'd be amazed at how deep the pockets are on some pirates (not from pirating). My corpmate handed me a bhaalgorn "just incase we want to shoot some blackops ships". My corp hands out fitted thrashers for high sec ganking, because they are cheap (less than 1M each). So we spend 5-6 thrashers to gank a retriever worth 30M. Do we care about loot and drops, or that we are throwing away 6M? No, we care about the tears, and the 30M isk kill on our board.
Another piece of advice, stay off the radar. If you whine and complain, people take notice. If you do anything to stand out, pirates will notice and shoot you. For example, we had a newbie in my corp forget that he was in high sec and he shot a miner, and lost his rifter. He came back 15 minutes later, and that miner had looted the rifter. He politely asked for his drops worth about 2M. The miner then put him on ignore. He mentioned this to the corp, we handed out thrashers, waited until he had a 3/4 full cargo, then ganked the miner, and podded him (50M pod :D). Then we asked for 10M isk from him for protection. He didn't respond, so when he started mining again, we ganked him again (sadly, he had no implants). Moral of the story, mining is dangerous near low sec. Do not get on a pirate corps radar. |
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