I looked again, and when 'nadoes came out (30 Nov 2011 is the first day there is data), they were selling at a bit over 70m ISK. At the same time, 'pests were selling at 87,5 million. Not exactly "twice the price" -- and insurance (well. prior to Nov 28th/29th when Inferno launched) would have been about 90m (IIRC - still looking for devblogs from the last insurance tweaks before Inferno) for a tier1 battleship.

Ganking does not just make my freighter-ing more interesting, it also attacks my competition. God love the gankers.

this goes doubly for mining ganks. turns out it doesnt cost very much to hire a ganker to hit other miners, leaving more rocks and ice for my team (plus some amusing raging in local).

if ur gonna quit after getting ganked, then maybe u wouldn't enjoy this game anyways. after the ganks, all there is to look forward to is repeated war decs, thefts and can flipping and so on. Being a non-combat pilot, or playing eve even, requires a patient and rugged individual and/or group.

more on topic, the ABC's add a lot more to the game than take away. they are great ships. i can see the argument for making them T2 tho, they are very specialized and it would allow for a more typical ABC with medium weapons (the brutix would have a lot to gain from this).

Making them T2 would not really do much other than add to their cost. They dnt have to be given extra tank, simply use the same resist boost that bombers get, and ganking would move onto other hulls easily enough. It wont, however, give more roles back to BS's as they would perform much like they do now, if not better, under a T2 role and bonuses.

and i dnt understand Kane's argument. why does ganking in 1.0 or 0.9 have to be expensive?
Personally i'm of the opinion that ganking in higher secs is not game breaking, even when its cheap. ur not safe anywhere in this game, act accordingly.

notsureifserious...


but +1 anyway

Some people will gank for free, but they might gank you after. Best not to be around.

It takes away from bs roles and it makes it too easy to gank for less in high sec space !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fit your ship better, fly in fleets, learn situational awareness, get better intel. DON'T REQUEST A NERF!

you compared single datapoints i used estimated longtime averages from about a year ago.

-both ships have to be exsitent else youd have to factor in inflation.
-furthermore you shouldnt take the first avalible prices those arent the reality cause there had been no tim to reaserch the bpos and thus the prices are always to high (aditionally demand is higher ause everyone wants shiny new things).

Except ABC's still overshadow BS.
Yes, BS have tank. But in a lot of applications you aren't caring about tank, which has removed a large number of roles from a BS. ABC's have the advantage of significant mobility over a BS, gaining even more in Rubicon, and that is typically what matters rather than tank.
So the balance of ABC's is still a relevant point.
6 turrets may be too much of a drop, but 7? Sure you might be able to find a normal BC that out DPS's them, but not at the same ranges the ABC's can project to with Large instead of Medium turrets.
Which then puts them in a much better game slot, and keeps BS more relevant underneath the huge blob level.
While still leaving ABC's fine for use like they are now. Just need 8 instead of 7 (if you even needed 7 before)

exclamation marks are the only weapon i have in forums :)

seriously, I think it was a bad idea is ccp willing to **** off a big part of their revenue stream (miners and missioners)
by making it too easy too gank and collect the mods ect w/o a greater penalty like using battle ships instead ! bam ! bam ! bam

you've expressed that you think it is an issue. yet you've failed to express why it's an issue, and why it needs fixing.

b-, can do better.

I think the solution is to get into the business of manufacturing and selling Tornadoes near mission hubs. Maybe even sell fully gank fit ones on contracts. Not that I would ever do that myself. No, not at all.

i always thought the tier 3 bc and destroyers were trouble maybe reduce their turrets to 6 for both or make them rockets for the destroyer and torps for the tier 3 bc's at least you would have a few extra secs to flee before they hit you and you can watch them get ganked by concord at least!

Ganking is more expensive now than it was before the introduction of tier 3 BCs. It in fact became more expensive the moment the patch hit.

Why are you insisting that a patch that made ganking more expensive upsets you?

Its not just this patching. It was crime watch and the loss of insurance on ganks.

It takes away from bs roles and it makes it too easy to gank for less in high sec space !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The insurance change was released with the same expansion that t3 BCs were.

Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind.
Source
http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Multiple_exclamation_marks

To be frank, in several languages 3 exclamation marks are used as a language figure to express extreme concern over something. This is a community with peopel from several countries, trying to judge others based on your soloe discretion of what is normal or not is unwise.

Know this: if they want you dead, you will be dead. Fly smarter than them and you place the odds more in your favor.