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Elegant	Posted - 2006.02.11 04:22:00 - [91] Edited by: Elegant on 11/02/2006 04:24:28 Originally by: Weirda if you like a setup and it suit you style - use it... improve it... improve you abilities. if you don't like it or it don't fit you style... use something that does. QFT As was said before, charging at cruisers in a T1 frig is a mite risky, but I find the setup itself is quite nice. So even though I'm not gonna keep my bleeder I'm not gonna try and make sure no one else flys one. And I've yet to hear any alternative cruiser killers from all the people getting riled up over this setup. Feel free to chime in with a better T1 frig for the job at anytime...
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.02.11 04:38:00 - [92] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Listen to Weirda, Weirda is smart And about the 2.2% difference in damage - Meh. Thats not enough to justify the larger requirements and worse tracking IMO. But that is of course just my opinion, flame away like you always do It's only a assumption of the damage not a fact of what the damage is. Resistance wise 200mm might be more than the 150mm. It might be equal... You might get higher DPS with 200mm other times you might not. But it's safe to say going 150mm's is not gimping yourself from not going 200mm. Even though you didn't say that but it's good to throw it out there instead of thinking it's a set "2.2%" better when it's not in every combat event. 150's are a good choice to always stick with anyhow. It saves a little more pg/cpu and that's what really counts. Why it's the best gun in the game by far.
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.02.13 16:43:00 - [93] Originally by: Psycarne I'll go attack someone with miner IIs and use 'tactics', or how about attacking a frigate with 1400s at 5km? . Tactics means applying the correct setup and resources in the appropriate situation. Therefore people do win because of thier setups. Or were you one of those kids that kept trying to fit the square peg in the round hole? Actually mining lasers could be a very good thing to equip on your ship if you're pirating. Just make sure you're in a missle/drone ship and "hey guys, mind if i mine with you?" then there you go.... you can get as close as you want and everything.. Not that i would do that tho :/ i hate deception.
Medici	Posted - 2006.02.14 23:50:00 - [94] Dammit I was enjoying reading Malkas posts about the Puni. I like their setup very much,and pretty much do everything stated on the tin. I'll be gutted if Malka has perm left the game,can anyone say wether they will be back?
EnTiTY UniX	Posted - 2006.02.15 11:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/02/2006 11:04:23 *Punisher - Bleeder* design** Experimental! How about this ? Bleeder Punisher Deluxe H 3 x 200mm Autocannons II 1 x Small Nosferatu II M ! x 1Mn Afterburner II 1 x Warp scrambler 7.5 km L 1 x Small Armor Repairer II 2 x Capacitor Power Relays 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II The Small Armor Repairer II repairs much better than the standard one. The Membrane makes you take less damage. The Afterburner II makes you fly faster, thus harder to hit. The T2 cannons give you more damage and the T2 Nosferatu gives you even 2 more cap per cycle than the Nosfer T1. Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX
Jarek Naumen	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:02:00 - [96] Edited by: Jarek Naumen on 15/02/2006 12:02:51 Originally by: EnTiTY UniX Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/02/2006 11:04:23 *Punisher - Bleeder* design** Experimental! How about this ? Bleeder Punisher Deluxe H 3 x 200mm Autocannons II 1 x Small Nosferatu II M ! x 1Mn Afterburner II 1 x Warp scrambler 7.5 km L 1 x Small Armor Repairer II 2 x Capacitor Power Relays 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II The Small Armor Repairer II repairs much better than the standard one. The Membrane makes you take less damage. The Afterburner II makes you fly faster, thus harder to hit. The T2 cannons give you more damage and the T2 Nosferatu gives you even 2 more cap per cycle than the Nosfer T1. Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX Wow..you can actually use the tech 2 version of Malka's setup. I've never thought of that before edit: and i'd like to see you fit a t2 small NOS
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.02.15 12:21:00 - [97] I thought one of the original setup's point was it's cheapness ... T2 kinda defeats that.
EnTiTY UniX	Posted - 2006.02.15 13:47:00 - [98] Originally by: Jarek Naumen Edited by: Jarek Naumen on 15/02/2006 12:02:51 Originally by: EnTiTY UniX Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/02/2006 11:04:23 *Punisher - Bleeder* design** Experimental! How about this ? Bleeder Punisher Deluxe H 3 x 200mm Autocannons II 1 x Small Nosferatu II M ! x 1Mn Afterburner II 1 x Warp scrambler 7.5 km L 1 x Small Armor Repairer II 2 x Capacitor Power Relays 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II The Small Armor Repairer II repairs much better than the standard one. The Membrane makes you take less damage. The Afterburner II makes you fly faster, thus harder to hit. The T2 cannons give you more damage and the T2 Nosferatu gives you even 2 more cap per cycle than the Nosfer T1. Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX Wow..you can actually use the tech 2 version of Malka's setup. I've never thought of that before edit: and i'd like to see you fit a t2 small NOS Well I'm glad that I managed to amuse you, but what about the nos ? Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX
Serin Nadiir	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:23:00 - [99] Heh, T2 does almost nothing for this setup. Sure you can break a tank a bit easier... But anything that could kill the cheap version can still kill the T2 version.
EnTiTY UniX	Posted - 2006.02.15 14:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Serin Nadiir Heh, T2 does almost nothing for this setup. Sure you can break a tank a bit easier... But anything that could kill the cheap version can still kill the T2 version. Well then, end of discussion. Use the above setup with a vengeance instead, fit a missile launcher instead of the nosfer and adapt the rest to your needs then. Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:50:00 - [101] The main point in any of Malka's ship setups posts is to make people think, to apply concepts in the setup to other things, and you are always free to upgrade and improve the equipment, but fitting it out with basic T1 stuff ensures that better things will still fit And this wouldnt work as well on a Vengence OR on a Retri, the Vengence because you would be minus one low slot for the cap recharger probably (making swithcing to a missle launcher even worse than keeping the nos) and the Retri because you cant scramble and keep high transversal.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.02.15 19:55:00 - [102] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan And this wouldnt work as well on a Vengence OR on a Retri, the Vengence because you would be minus one low slot for the cap recharger probably (making swithcing to a missle launcher even worse than keeping the nos) and the Retri because you cant scramble and keep high transversal. the vengeance have a 5%/level AS cap recharge bonus... so it is like having one in there at level 4. Also - with the great assault resist on there you are one tough cookie. t2 ship defeat the purpous of cheap though (vengeance is very cheap as t2 ship go though)... but it will definately get you out of more tough situations. __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
EnTiTY UniX	Posted - 2006.02.15 23:12:00 - [103] Edited by: EnTiTY UniX on 15/02/2006 23:22:39 Originally by: OrangeAfroMan The main point in any of Malka's ship setups posts is to make people think, to apply concepts in the setup to other things, and you are always free to upgrade and improve the equipment, but fitting it out with basic T1 stuff ensures that better things will still fit And this wouldnt work as well on a Vengence OR on a Retri, the Vengence because you would be minus one low slot for the cap recharger probably (making swithcing to a missle launcher even worse than keeping the nos) and the Retri because you cant scramble and keep high transversal. I was thinking more along the same line as Weirda with the vengeance having another Cap Power Relay integrated in the ship with l4 assault ships trained, and you might wanna have maybe a setup like this instead on the vengeance, H 3 x 200mm Autocannons II 1 x Small Nosferatu II / Missile Launcher M 1 x 1Mn Afterburner II 1 x Warp scrambler 7.5 km 1 x Fixed Parallell Link Capacitor / Webber L 1 x Small Armor Repairer II 2 x Capacitor Power Relays or L 2 x Small Armor Repairer II 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II / Thermic Hardener Kindest Regards EnTiTY UniX
Kelron Queldine	Posted - 2006.03.19 12:26:00 - [104] I was wondering whether a similar setup could work with blasters instead of autocannons? I'm asking because my projectile skills aren't anywhere near as good as my hybrid skills. Would it be effective simply to switch the autocannons for blasters and keep the rest the same? And what type of blasters would be best? --------------------------- Signatures are for the weak.
Nomme	Posted - 2006.03.19 12:44:00 - [105] Regarding Vengeance (or even Punisher at a pinch) this is what I am toying with ATM. First Punisher... High 3x150MM TII 1xSmall Knave NOS Mid 1xFleeting Warp 7.5 km 1xMicrowarp TII Low 400mm Rolled Tungsten 1xMAPC 1xCPR 1xSAR II For the Vengeance it is similar High 3x150/200mm TII ACs 1xKnave small NOS Mid 1xFleeting Scram 20k 1xFleeting Web 1xMicrowarp II Low 400mm Rolled Tungsten 1xMAPC 1xSAR II This all pretty much requires things all LvL5,and both benefit from basic cheap agility and speed implants. With over 1200 ARM HP and a fast attack speed this setup is alot of fun to try,still experimenting with it,but like I said its fun to try.
Speed Devil	Posted - 2006.04.22 13:50:00 - [106] for fighting against other frigs autocannons are greit, i take out punishers easily, dont even have to tank since i simply go under their range. for cruisers, i would take an other setup (i havent tried it out yet, i also dont have all the skills to effectively fit ships) since many cruisers use web, drones, heavy missiles or nos, i would stay at long range of about 15-16km highs: use 2 or 3 artillery or 2 or 1 missile launcher, missile launcher should work well against drones i think mids: an ab to keep ur speed up, and 2x 20km scrams unless ur cap cant hold put a cap recharger. in the lows an armor repper and 2 overdrive injectors to boost ur speed, with good skills i think u go about 900ms or use a shield booster instead of the cap recharger or 20k scram and put another overdrive injector in the lows i havent tried this out yet dince i dont have all the skills to decently outfit a ship, would be nice if someone tried the fitting for me ________________________________________ YARRR!!! Death to all carebears!
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.05.19 06:34:00 - [107] I tried this setup tonight. It killed a Moa so easily it felt like cheating.
Mr Breakfast	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:09:00 - [108] I killed a Moa, BBird, and Caracal with this setup in one late night/early morning. It was hilarious, go Bleeder.
Spaced Skunk	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:46:00 - [109] Just thought of a similar one myself as well, works nicely; 2 X 200MM autocannon II 1 X small nos 1 X 1MN Afterburner 1 X 7.5KM scram 1 X small armor rep II 1 X 200MM plate II 1 X energized adaptive nano 1 X cap relay And I dont like to brag but I've killed a manticore with this setup :)
gxejxnnukf	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:57:00 - [110] Originally by: Tassi You engage battlecruisers with your punisher? OMG I want a video of that I use a bleeder setup. I've got an unedited raw fraps video of tackling a Ferox after killing his mate (twice...) - once I'd taken out the drone it threw at me and got orbing at around 2k it threw a few ineffectual heavies and then sat there unable to hurt me. I was breaking his tank too... I tend to carry 10k rounds to make sure I can stay out a while... and about 15 minutes into the battle I had to log with him at about half armour since the wife was calling... Oh well... back to frigs, the occasional mauler, and barges ;) Yarr!
FroZen 12	Posted - 2006.06.04 00:36:00 - [111] Originally by: gxejxnnukf Originally by: Tassi You engage battlecruisers with your punisher? OMG I want a video of that I use a bleeder setup. I've got an unedited raw fraps video of tackling a Ferox after killing his mate (twice...) - once I'd taken out the drone it threw at me and got orbing at around 2k it threw a few ineffectual heavies and then sat there unable to hurt me. I was breaking his tank too... I tend to carry 10k rounds to make sure I can stay out a while... and about 15 minutes into the battle I had to log with him at about half armour since the wife was calling... Oh well... back to frigs, the occasional mauler, and barges ;) Yarr! Compress and post!
Hassell	Posted - 2006.06.04 06:06:00 - [112] my gunnery and armor tanking skills suck as I primarily use Caldari ships, but i trained up enough to use this as it seemed like fun. With extremely basic skills i took on a friends ferox. It was a stalemate. He wasn't killing me anytime soon but i couldn't do enough damage to break his tank either. With something other than the minimum skills i can see how it would be possible to take on a ferox and win if you had enough ammo.
Hugo Strange Gallente Cosmic research and production services Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:49:00 - [113] wouldnt an energized adaptive membrane to boost res, use less grid and have increased effect than the 200mm plate? You would be removing the agility penalty for a start
Kyuzo	Posted - 2006.08.20 11:28:00 - [114] Edited by: Kyuzo on 20/08/2006 11:28:49
Kyuzo	Posted - 2006.08.20 11:29:00 - [115] Originally by: Hugo Strange wouldnt an energized adaptive membrane to boost res, use less grid and have increased effect than the 200mm plate? You would be removing the agility penalty for a start but adding one 200mm plate gives you more then 100% boost in armour points (assuming you dont hay any on the punisher already.... this is effective equivelent to adding +50% to all resists.... id say having ONE 200mm plate is definately alot more effective .... then a more energised adapatives.... the punisher is a slow ship anyway... the agility difference wont be effective enough to make a difference... well definately not enough difference to outweigh the bonuses
YoshiLegend	Posted - 2006.08.20 11:55:00 - [116] Man theres alotta punisher fans....
Zenemis Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2006.08.20 15:51:00 - [117] It's a great little frig ;)
Auryn Darkblade Caldari 4th Cohort	Posted - 2006.09.23 17:34:00 - [118] Who do you think would win between a bleeder II punisher (from the first post - tech I gear) vs a kestrel with all tech 1 gear (rocket kestrel) Trying to outfit a frigate for a tech I frigate tournament :) __________________________________________________ [17:31:19] dnkuanggong2 > i m china i love evebus i on love t4r4
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:05:00 - [119] Ugh, please don't drag up this awful, awful thread again. I personally don't have a problem with thread necromancy as long as you drag up good posts :) And to answer your question, a Kestrel would annihilate this setup, particularly in a tournament setting (I assume no scramblers, no warping out). Orbit at any range longer than AC range, he'll never catch you, you win. Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!
Valerio Versace Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Testy Mctest Ugh, please don't drag up this awful, awful thread again. I personally don't have a problem with thread necromancy as long as you drag up good posts :) And to answer your question, a Kestrel would annihilate this setup, particularly in a tournament setting (I assume no scramblers, no warping out). Orbit at any range longer than AC range, he'll never catch you, you win. Aw, come on... the setup is good. Period. I was taking a look at the ship setups thread and found this old jewel. I tried both the first and this last setup and they're both very good, conceptually and practically. Now especially that people start with more skill points, anyone who starts with an Amarr soldier template can start flying this setup in no time. With very little tweaking (swap the scrambler for a web), it's a perfect mission runner too. I have yet to try it for level 2 missions, but I expect it to be more or less on par with the famous passive shield tank Rifter. Those are the best setups a starting player can start flying with low skill points, so I suggest everyone who starts playing the game with an Amarrian character to aim for the first version of the Bleeder, especially because they already start with Small Energy Turret V... eventually, switching to the improved setup only requires to train Small Projectile Turret to a decent level, which can be done in no time. Just fit a web instead of a scrambler on it and you are set. If you want to try some pirating, fit the scrambler.

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