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Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 381	Posted - 2013.10.23 18:58:00 - [1] - Quote Switch the Naga over from hybrids to missiles. The Gallente already have a hybrid ABC, and we lack a missile version. ..... Caldari Battlecruiser skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity 10% bonus to Large Missile velocity Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Missile Launchers 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Missile Launchers I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dredkeeper Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:00:00 - [2] - Quote No
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 381	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:01:00 - [3] - Quote Dredkeeper wrote: No No. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dredkeeper Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:03:00 - [4] - Quote Glad we agree, moving on!
Naomi Anthar 150	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:06:00 - [5] - Quote with incoming RHML it could be ... not bad ? Edit : btw Ferox is not ABC !
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 381	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:11:00 - [6] - Quote Naomi Anthar wrote: with incoming RHML it could be ... not bad ? I was thinking the same thing. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Batelle RisingSuns 225	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:22:00 - [7] - Quote Since we apparently need a missile ABC, why not just remake the Tornado? Fighting is Magic
nerdman234 Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 25	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:26:00 - [8] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Since there was opposition to changing the Naga, here's an alternate idea: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/286/4/5/kite_caldari_battleship_by_wbuxtonva-d30pz4h.jpg I can say it looks pretty. However I feel the naga should've just been missile, but that's just me not being able to let go of the one time used it sisi before the turrets were changed. That said. RHML would be absolutely broken on a missile naga. It would be akin to a caracal boasting a 8 rapid lights. Or maybe a really big talwar. A little too strong against frigs for my taste. Note: I would like to run some numbers to prove this however, as it could be an interesting ship. If it were changed it would not be a new ship, but a rebuild of the naga.
Flyinghotpocket Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 187	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:46:00 - [9] - Quote i wonder how many people actually remember the torpedo naga on the test server. and how overpowered it was
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 928	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote nerdman234 wrote: I can say it looks pretty. However I feel the naga should've just been missile, but that's just me not being able to let go of the one time used it sisi before the turrets were changed. That said. RHML would be absolutely broken on a missile naga. It would be akin to a caracal boasting a 8 rapid lights. Or maybe a really big talwar. A little too strong against frigs for my taste. Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers fire Heavy Missiles, not Light Missiles. Hence, er, the name. So it's absurd to suggest that it would be OP, or even useful, against frigates. I agree that the Sisi missile Naga was memorable though. As in "lol this is useless, who thought this was a good idea?" memorable...
Icarus Able Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire 130	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:21:00 - [11] - Quote Batelle wrote: Since we apparently need a missile ABC, why not just remake the Tornado? Yes instead of using the race that has missiles as their primary weapon system lets use the one that uses them as secondary weapons system. It makes perfect sense. :/
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 384	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:42:00 - [12] - Quote Icarus Able wrote: Yes instead of using the race that has missiles as their primary weapon system lets use the one that uses them as secondary weapons system. It makes perfect sense. :/ Someone got ganked, lol. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1008	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote Icarus Able wrote: Batelle wrote: Since we apparently need a missile ABC, why not just remake the Tornado? Yes instead of using the race that has missiles as their primary weapon system lets use the one that uses them as secondary weapons system. It makes perfect sense. :/ Caldari have a similar number of hybrid ships as they do missile ships. Missiles are hardly their only primary weapon system.
Solutio Letum Terpene Conglomerate 198	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:05:00 - [14] - Quote Listen i want a drone BC..... like the dominix but BC size..... that would make me really happy. Caldari uses railguns has there primary weapons, missiles has secondary. Gallente uses blasters has there primary weapons, drones has secondary. Thats why we dont have them. Happy now? Do you understand yet? Now for fun, yes id like a drone... ermm.. i mean missile cruiser, the problem is something with so much range being able to go so fast without traversal penalty might be a bit OP in DIFFERENT ways, that's why id like to see it be done.
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 384	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:07:00 - [15] - Quote Solutio Letum wrote: Listen i want a drone BC..... like the dominix but BC size..... that would make me really happy. Caldari uses railguns has there primary weapons, missiles has secondary. Gallente uses blasters has there primary weapons, drones has secondary. Thats why we dont have them. Happy now? Do you understand yet? Pretty sure missiles are a primary weapon for Caldari. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1008	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:13:00 - [16] - Quote Quote: Pretty sure missiles are a primary weapon for Caldari. In the same way that drones are a primary weapon for Gallente. EDIT: Nvm, didn't realize you were responding to a bad post about factions having only one valid primary weapon
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 384	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:16:00 - [17] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: In the same way that drones are a primary weapon for Gallente EDIT: Nvm, didn't realize you were responding to a bad post about factions having only one valid primary weapon No worries. Just seems odd to have two hybrid-based ABCs. I think you'd have a small Jita riot on your hand if you attempted to switch the Tornado over to missiles, hence the suggestion to just change the Naga. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
zbaaca POD Based Lifeforms DarkSide. 56	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:19:00 - [18] - Quote i think we need a second set of ABC designed to secondary weapon systems , missiles , autocanons ect. Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 384	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:26:00 - [19] - Quote zbaaca wrote: i think we need a second set of ABC designed to secondary weapon systems , missiles , autocanons ect. Same hull, just different weapon systems? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
zbaaca POD Based Lifeforms DarkSide. 56	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: zbaaca wrote: i think we need a second set of ABC designed to secondary weapon systems , missiles , autocanons ect. Same hull, just different weapon systems? hull doesnt matter. but new ones would be great Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1008	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:42:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: I think the high risk/high reward nature of ABCs (tons of damage and fast, but squishy and prone to tracking problems) doesn't really lend itself to the consistent damage that missiles provide.
Donbe Scurred University of Caille Gallente Federation 385	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:43:00 - [22] - Quote Batelle wrote: Since we apparently need a missile ABC, why not just remake the Tornado? I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Ganker voices suddenly cried out in terror.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3490	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:40:00 - [23] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Kahega Amielden wrote: In the same way that drones are a primary weapon for Gallente EDIT: Nvm, didn't realize you were responding to a bad post about factions having only one valid primary weapon No worries. Just seems odd to have two hybrid-based ABCs. I think you'd have a small Jita riot on your hand if you attempted to switch the Tornado over to missiles, hence the suggestion to just change the Naga. Lore-wise it makes sense. The Gallente and Caldari originate from the same star system (but different planets). Much of their initial spacefaring technology was developed in cooperation with one another (which may include weapons tech). After a few centuries apart they developed new tech more to their own personal tastes but some of the underlying tech would still remain (because if it works right and people are already versed in their use, why change/replace it?). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Jill Antaris Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2013.10.23 23:45:00 - [24] - Quote Gypsio III wrote: nerdman234 wrote: I can say it looks pretty. However I feel the naga should've just been missile, but that's just me not being able to let go of the one time used it sisi before the turrets were changed. That said. RHML would be absolutely broken on a missile naga. It would be akin to a caracal boasting a 8 rapid lights. Or maybe a really big talwar. A little too strong against frigs for my taste. Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers fire Heavy Missiles, not Light Missiles. Hence, er, the name. So it's absurd to suggest that it would be OP, or even useful, against frigates. I agree that the Sisi missile Naga was memorable though. As in "lol this is useless, who thought this was a good idea?" memorable... But I did like the torp naga, stop being mean to the poor torp naga. It just had: 1. Not enough base speed and javelin torps still had the speed penalty -> a kitting BC that was as slow as a BS 2. to little cpu for tank and gank with torps -> a BC that had to kite because of the lack of tank while being to slow to kite 3. only one missile bonus, and it did need a bigger velocity bonus(moar range for kitting with torps) and probably a explosion velocity bonus to because it could do next to nothing against the other tier 3 BCs I still would like a torp naga ish ship in eve, maybe a bit less bad than CCPs design but overall I did like the idea. Also enough fitting for a 100mn AB setup like on the Orcale or Tornado.
Kedv 0	Posted - 2013.10.24 00:06:00 - [25] - Quote Bombers are the "missile ABCs".
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 244	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:31:00 - [26] - Quote Kedv wrote: Bombers are the "missile ABCs". basically. not tanky, high damage. Cheaper to boot. Got the isk for a 8 man tier 3 gank squad got the isk for 8 bombers and then some. Land them right and they even more survivable. I took cyno bait (thought I could pop the arazu before it called in friends). Mix non sebo bc with slower scan res and I was basically done by the time I could lock a bomber. edit- if tackled right warps in to spotter should work as well I imagine.
Corvald Tyrska Dha'Vargar 15	Posted - 2013.10.24 05:34:00 - [27] - Quote Then all we need is to be able to fit Cruise launchers and RHML to bombers. I'm sure no-one could possibly object to that (except for everyone in EVE who owns a cruiser or larger sized ship)
Arthur Aihaken The.VOID 393	Posted - 2013.10.24 06:11:00 - [28] - Quote Corvald Tyrska wrote: Then all we need is to be able to fit Cruise launchers and RHML to bombers. I'm sure no-one could possibly object to that (except for everyone in EVE who owns a cruiser or larger sized ship) Don't be a ***. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.*
Yummy Chocolate Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1766	Posted - 2013.10.24 06:44:00 - [29] - Quote contrary to the OP's (and other people's) belief, Caldari are NOT strictly missile based. to the best of my knowledge, Caldari invented the railguns; so it's safe to say that the Naga represents the Caldari best out of all the ABCs: long range, shield buffer, and fail tactics.
Yummy Chocolate Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1766	Posted - 2013.10.24 06:45:00 - [30] - Quote Kedv wrote: Bombers are the "missile ABCs". also this

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