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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:41:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:They don't seem to think so:
[ 2013.10.30 06:59:51 ] Andre Ox > Blake - CCP hasn't in any way asked us to stop. They're talking with the affilaites, the guys who actual do the sales, and trying to find a solution. But forum trolls to the contrary, they've not backed away from saying the credit was kosher at all :) Ah, so somer are allowed to RMT in this fashion, but no one else is. This game is in bloody tatters at this point
CCP sent a letter to the resellers(shattered crystal, markeedragon) .The letter said to stop the bonuses and if they are still doing it after 10 days they are in breech of the reseller agreement. |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:07:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:They don't seem to think so:
[ 2013.10.30 06:59:51 ] Andre Ox > Blake - CCP hasn't in any way asked us to stop. They're talking with the affilaites, the guys who actual do the sales, and trying to find a solution. But forum trolls to the contrary, they've not backed away from saying the credit was kosher at all :) Ah, so somer are allowed to RMT in this fashion, but no one else is. This game is in bloody tatters at this point CCP sent a letter to the resellers(shattered crystal, markeedragon) .The letter said to stop the bonuses and if they are still doing it after 10 days they are in breech of the reseller agreement. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk.
Would seem to very much include Somer.
This will interesting to see what happens, if Somer does not shut off the bonus isk the player rage will make the last 3 weeks look like a warm up exercise. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
376
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:They don't seem to think so:
[ 2013.10.30 06:59:51 ] Andre Ox > Blake - CCP hasn't in any way asked us to stop. They're talking with the affilaites, the guys who actual do the sales, and trying to find a solution. But forum trolls to the contrary, they've not backed away from saying the credit was kosher at all :) Ah, so somer are allowed to RMT in this fashion, but no one else is. This game is in bloody tatters at this point CCP sent a letter to the resellers(shattered crystal, markeedragon) .The letter said to stop the bonuses and if they are still doing it after 10 days they are in breech of the reseller agreement. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. Would seem to very much include Somer. This will interesting to see what happens, if Somer does not shut off the bonus isk the player rage will make the last 3 weeks look like a warm up exercise. its up to markeedragon to stop somer using his affilate program |

Frying Doom
2940
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:05:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:They don't seem to think so:
[ 2013.10.30 06:59:51 ] Andre Ox > Blake - CCP hasn't in any way asked us to stop. They're talking with the affilaites, the guys who actual do the sales, and trying to find a solution. But forum trolls to the contrary, they've not backed away from saying the credit was kosher at all :) Ah, so somer are allowed to RMT in this fashion, but no one else is. This game is in bloody tatters at this point CCP sent a letter to the resellers(shattered crystal, markeedragon) .The letter said to stop the bonuses and if they are still doing it after 10 days they are in breech of the reseller agreement. ETC + bonus items may not be direclty or indirectly traded by the buyer for isk. Would seem to very much include Somer. This will interesting to see what happens, if Somer does not shut off the bonus isk the player rage will make the last 3 weeks look like a warm up exercise. its up to markeedragon to stop somer using his affilate program Yes it is. And it is CCPs job to deal with RMTers as they always have. After 10 days Somer will clearly be an RMTer (should markeedragon fail to act) by CCP otherwise they would not have sent this letter out. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Captain StringfellowHawk
Lo-Ball Incorporated Backwater Aristocrats
55
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:12:00 -
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What irritates me is if it is Deemed RMT Why is CCP going after the GTC Dealers and NOT The RMT'rs Like Somer accounts etc. Maybe then they should Destroy GTC Resellers and Eliminate Any possible means for RMTing. Instead of having to deal with Infractions here or There. Eliminate any cause possible. If Nox/mahm or any other RMT like Miners are getting off Free and the GTC dealers are being blamed itself, Why punish RMT players and just elliminate all the GTC Resellers.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2554
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:35:00 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:What irritates me is if it is Deemed RMT Why is CCP going after the GTC Dealers and NOT The RMT'rs Like Somer accounts etc. Maybe then they should Destroy GTC Resellers and Eliminate Any possible means for RMTing. Instead of having to deal with Infractions here or There. Eliminate any cause possible. If Nox/mahm or any other RMT like Miners are getting off Free and the GTC dealers are being blamed itself, Why punish RMT players and just elliminate all the GTC Resellers.
Because if they do that they end up publicly eating ****. To officially endorse them, make grand claims about how trustworthy they are, to give them unique items to use as part of their business, to personally and directly reward the people who run it... and then to have to turn around and admit "oh actually they were RMTers and blatantly breaking the EULA"
hahaha could you imagine a company admitting that openly?
Nah, they'll try and pressure the sellers and quietly settle this, so as not to draw attention to their own incredible incompetence |

Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:40:00 -
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just waiting for this thread to be locked now for violating EULA  |

Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:35:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Because if they do that they end up publicly eating ****. To officially endorse them, make grand claims about how trustworthy they are, to give them unique items to use as part of their business, to personally and directly reward the people who run it... and then to have to turn around and admit "oh actually they were RMTers and blatantly breaking the EULA"
hahaha could you imagine a company admitting that openly?
Nah, they'll try and pressure the sellers and quietly settle this, so as not to draw attention to their own incredible incompetence
Well that seems incredibly stupid since everyone already knows they played favorites, actively participated and financially profited from RMT and have been doing so for years.
The King has no pants on and everyone knows it....yeah the King knows it too, but is strutting around the room in full view hoping nobody has the balls to say something....Well that FAILED ROYALLY. |

Frying Doom
2951
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:03:00 -
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I must admit I think CCP has gone for the Somer can do it but no one else can path. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
94
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:17:00 -
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I admit that sounds like a cure for Eve AIDS aka Somer Blink.
Unfortunately CCP has been so auto-immune deficient towards Somer, not even your effort will be able to cure it. |

Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
30
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:42:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:Plug in Baby wrote:Firstly, congratulations a good sum of cash I hope people continue to use your link. Katarina Reid wrote: 10 days for reseller to stop it or else.. Secondly, you have 10 days why not finish the job, after all Somer's service is currently still running. Dont want to annoy GM's anymore and after 10 days its a breach of reseller agreement. So i will shut it down now i made my point.
Thank god Sommer also did the good thing and stopped theirs rather than increasing the payout by 5X. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |

Frying Doom
3022
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:11:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Thank god Sommer also did the good thing and stopped theirs rather than increasing the payout by 5X. It just goes to show how community based they are, and how trustworthy. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:08:00 -
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I'm slightly confused by all the Somer Blink hate here. I think the only people who have done anything wrong is CCP when they favoured Somer by giving them very valuable free stuff. - and that issue has been dealt with.
Why the all somer hate? Somer appear to be preparing to abide by the new rules just like everyone else. Somer have an offer on to try and squeeze some extra cash out of the 10 day grace period. I've actually taken the offer, but thats a personal choice thing. Somer look like they are going to abide by the new rules and hopefully won't get any more special treatment by CCP. That's all good. Why the hate? |

Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:16:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:
Why the all somer hate?
Somer have an offer on to try and squeeze some extra cash out of the 10 day grace period.
you answered your own question |

Frying Doom
3048
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:25:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:I'm slightly confused by all the Somer Blink hate here. I think the only people who have done anything wrong is CCP when they favoured Somer by giving them very valuable free stuff. - and that issue has been dealt with.
Why the all somer hate? Somer appear to be preparing to abide by the new rules just like everyone else. Somer have an offer on to try and squeeze some extra cash out of the 10 day grace period. I've actually taken the offer, but thats a personal choice thing. Somer look like they are going to abide by the new rules and hopefully won't get any more special treatment by CCP. That's all good. Why the hate? You mean other than the fact all of the other sites have stopped and Somer blink has increased their off bu 5 times.
It shows them for what they are, a business milking the EvE community for as much RL money they can get. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:32:00 -
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for me that a non sequitur - I don't understand why that's bad mind you I wasn't as pissed off as everyone else about the D3 AHes, maybe it's just me
For me CCP showing favouritism would be very bad if it happened, but it looks like everyone is getting treated the same. When you think about somer only has 10 days to come up with and implement a new business model to pay server costs. That's not long at all. I think what they are doing right now is using the 10 days grace to build a cash buffer to take the time squeeze off. I don't think they can pay server expenses with ISK, but they are arse deep in ISK so trying to convert some to real cash - at a very poor rate for them.
I know if I make any positive comment on the current offer I'll be accused of shilling/fanboyism etc.... But the offer atm is so good I I actually got more value in incentives than the value of the items I purchased. Right now the effective price of PLEXmonthly sub to me is half what it usually is and I have stocked up a little to pay my subs for a decent period to come - at the expense of you know who.
I'm profiting from their misfortune. Is that good or bad? |

Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:45:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:for me that a non sequitur - I don't understand why that's bad mind you I wasn't as pissed off as everyone else about the D3 AHes, maybe it's just me
For me CCP showing favouritism would be very bad if it happened, but it looks like everyone is getting treated the same. When you think about somer only has 10 days to come up with and implement a new business model to pay server costs. That's not long at all. I think what they are doing right now is using the 10 days grace to build a cash buffer to take the time squeeze off. I don't think they can pay server expenses with ISK, but they are arse deep in ISK so trying to convert some to real cash - at a very poor rate for them.
I know if I make any positive comment on the current offer I'll be accused of shilling/fanboyism etc.... But the offer atm is so good I I actually got more value in incentives than the value of the items I purchased. Right now the effective price of PLEXmonthly sub to me is half what it usually is and I have stocked up a little to pay my subs for a decent period to come - at the expense of you know who.
I'm profiting from their misfortune. Is that good or bad? almost everyone else who tried similar schemes recently had threads locked and was threatened. Somer has made over $135K USD from the affiliate GTC sales through to May of this year. they certainly shouldn't be needing a cash buffer, although Andrev Nox keeps playing the starving server admin defence. regardless of that though, they operate as a for-profit corp. and should have to fund themselves out of their own pocket the same way others do. if they can't afford to operate and make trillions of isk in profit, they should scale back or close down.
someone earlier posted that cogdev's domain owner closed a deal on a pretty expensive commercial space the same month they renegotiated their affiliate program back in May. while i can't verify this, if true, it does make for some interesting reading between the lines for :tinfoil: crew. there was also something mentioned about things being register in Panama to avoid taxes and regulations. take these tidbits as you will when deciding if Somer sounds like a 'trusth worthy' and 'honourable' 'community service'.
Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit.
you didn't profit from their misfortune at all. you helped them cash out closer to their goal of hundreds of thousands more in profit. and as Somer has given CCP and the community a big **** you, who's to say they won't just RMT the remaining isk through more traditional methods after the 7 days are over? they certain don't have integrity or ethics to hold them back. a ban makes sense in this situation. Somer has flagrantly RMTed and shows no signs of stopping. |

virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
50
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:04:00 -
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I agree there's cash in tham thar hills for Somer But why should we all be down on someone trying to run a business connected to Eve? I've played a lot of MMO ( started with Asheron's Call ) over a long time and one of the things I love about Eve so much is the meta outside the mechanics of the game client. I love that scamming is allowed, spying is allowed, I love reading about the famous poniz schemes and fake banks. It's all part of Eve's history and what makes it so amazing. Surely someone running a business off Eve is no different? Despite my Somer account being loaded right now I'd love it if one day they just stuck on their website "F**k you. We've run off with all the money" That would be soo funny :) It would also make CCP look a little silly - but they don't need help with that they manage fine all by themselves. For me it's all part of the meta, and it's the variety and scale of the meta that makes Eve soo good.
So what if someone did some hard work and earned some cash from it? Who knows what the next bunch might come up with? Isn't capitaism and greed is good as Gordon Gecko said?
The only get upset when people get treated differently - everyone should be treated equally. Also the rules should be clear. I do admire the thread starter for tackling an unclear rule, and forcing CCP to pull their head out of the sand on this. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
407
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:24:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:I'm slightly confused by all the Somer Blink hate here. I think the only people who have done anything wrong is CCP when they favoured Somer by giving them very valuable free stuff. - and that issue has been dealt with.
Why the all somer hate? Somer appear to be preparing to abide by the new rules just like everyone else. Somer have an offer on to try and squeeze some extra cash out of the 10 day grace period. I've actually taken the offer, but thats a personal choice thing. Somer look like they are going to abide by the new rules and hopefully won't get any more special treatment by CCP. That's all good. Why the hate? Its not new rules it was always against the rules. |

Frying Doom
3068
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:38:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:I agree there's cash in tham thar hills for Somer But why should we all be down on someone trying to run a business connected to Eve? I've played a lot of MMO ( started with Asheron's Call ) over a long time and one of the things I love about Eve so much is the meta outside the mechanics of the game client. I love that scamming is allowed, spying is allowed, I love reading about the famous poniz schemes and fake banks. It's all part of Eve's history and what makes it so amazing. Surely someone running a business off Eve is no different? Despite my Somer account being loaded right now I'd love it if one day they just stuck on their website "F**k you. We've run off with all the money" That would be soo funny :) It would also make CCP look a little silly - but they don't need help with that they manage fine all by themselves. For me it's all part of the meta, and it's the variety and scale of the meta that makes Eve soo good.
So what if someone did some hard work and earned some cash from it? Who knows what the next bunch might come up with? Isn't capitaism and greed is good as Gordon Gecko said?
The only get upset when people get treated differently - everyone should be treated equally. Also the rules should be clear. I do admire the thread starter for tackling an unclear rule, and forcing CCP to pull their head out of the sand on this. Except that as a business they should not be here anyway
EULA wrote:Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.
Community site yes, business just out for money, NO. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:56:00 -
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Yeah that ELUA looks pretty clear to me. Which then makes me wonder if it's so clearly against the terms of the ELUA why hasn't it been enforced before? CCP clearly has been fine with Somer up until someone else decided to do the same thing.
I still thinks this reflects far more poorly on CCP than Somer. To give special preferential treatment to someone who is breaking the ELUA is just a farce. - Nothing new from CCP there then. |

Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:17:00 -
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Well I have certainly been enjoying the site all year and more-so now. I've deposited under 400mill throughout the whole year, but got a return of over 5billion isk and PLEX that paid my subs some months. And without ever using the affiliate thing honestly, rather just pay normal sub, it's cheaper. But with the increased incentive, I may actually get a 60d GTC for once and further increase my own rate of returns. |

Daquaris
The Loathsome Lions
57
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:44:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:Well I have certainly been enjoying the site all year and more-so now. I've deposited under 400mill throughout the whole year, but got a return of over 5billion isk and PLEX that paid my subs some months. And without ever using the affiliate thing honestly, rather just pay normal sub, it's cheaper. But with the increased incentive, I may actually get a 60d GTC for once and further increase my own rate of returns.
You actually GOT these items and isk, or you "got" them, and "re-invested" them (e.g. blink credit) |

virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
57
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Posted - 2013.11.06 11:28:00 -
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I prefer to move value from Somer to Eve. e.g. the bonus credit on offer at the moment Buy 4 60 day GTCs = 8 months of Eve + 5B blink credit - spend 3B credit spamming PLEX blinks - try and buy as many tickets as possible = 6 PLEX = another 6 months of Eve the remaining 2B credit use for other blinks just because PLEXing it all would be boring = CNR, some drakes, apocs, and a few minor bits
come out with 14 months of Eve credit for the price of 8 and some in game toys
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