No, it's what they've been accused of ever since they made contact with planets not their own.

The only concession I see is that you seem to use that recent fad consisting to call Caldari Prime / Luminaire VII, "Home". Which is a trend I usually associate with Provist propaganda, since it has emerged at the same time.

If I may say so.... I hope that does not offend you.

Yes, damn those people for lifting your ancestors off the dirt and helping them spread across space, what were they thinking?

I had a realisation of delicious irony today, imagine if you had instead shared a system not with the Gallente but with your allies now, the State would never have existed, and the word Caldari would be a footnote in the history of the early days of the Empire.

Perhaps you ought ask the Ni-Kunni what they think of their own erasure, and whether they feel themselves a footnote to the Amarr. I fear you may find a different answer than the one you suggest would happen to us.

Yes! Let's ask the Ni-Kunni what they think of their cultural erasure. In particular, perhaps we could ask the city-dwelling Ni-Kunni.

Oh wait.

I'm not sure if our ancestors believed us to be living 'in the dirt' at the time, sir, or that we so desperately needed uplifting. Thank you for your friendship at the time, though, whatever your intentions may have been.

I cannot thank you for 'spreading us across space', however, given the circumstances that brought about our diaspora. Perhaps you meant something other than the flight of refugees, but it's hard to think of anything else.

Perhaps you ought ask the Ni-Kunni what they think of their own erasure, and whether they feel themselves a footnote to the Amarr. I fear you may find a different answer than the one you suggest would happen to us.

I had a realisation of delicious irony today, imagine if you had instead shared a system not with the Gallente but with your allies now, the State would never have existed, and the word Caldari would be a footnote in the history of the early days of the Empire.

Hypothetical arguments are always fantastic when you don't want to discuss actual history, eh?

It's just nice to remind these people that for all their endless, non constructive criticism of the Federation, they should count their blessings, when you look into the hypothetical of "what could have been" I'd say those days were a rather favourable outcome for the Caldari.

Amusing that you speak of history and yet cannot differentiate between the Federation and the Gallenteans that actually did make first contact with the Caldari.

Of course, if you were to go back with hindsight, I'm not entirely sure history would repeat itself, but that's a criticism of the modern Federation and the people who run it today, and a lot fairer than the one aimed at a more idealistic and progressive people who stuck to the core values of the society they represented.

It does surprise me, though it does not offend me. It is, without contest, the homeworld of my people. It stands to reason then that the affectionate appellation of "Home" be applied to our homeworld. I see nothing in-congruent about assigning special status and nomenclature to the planet where all Caldari can trace their roots.

Just because something started with the Provists does not necessarily make it bad.

It's no surprise that a race that had to fight it's way up from the snows of Home was a little bit slower at technological development than a race that comes from a 'shirtsleeves' planet, is it?

I think the Caldari and Gallente did some excellent work together, in the early days, it's just a shame that they insist all their partners submit to the process of becoming exactly like them.

It was a good deal, until it wasn't. There should always be room to get out of a bad deal.

Ah, but there WAS a way out of that, Lyn. At least two that I can think of and the Federation picked the harder of the two.

Yeah you're right, I think they're completely the same..

Because I know someone's going to twist this, I don't mean counting their blessings as if they should suddenly and overdramatically be praising and owing their existence to the Federation. Just appreciate the situation could have been a lot worse considering the defenceless state of the Caldari at the time.

Wonder how long before the Provists cry out that Heth's removal was a Federal conspiracy and demand his reinstation...

There was, Pieter. It is called secession.

They didn't like that.

That wasn't seceding, it was starting a civil war precipitated by your people's duplicity.

That wasn't seceding, it was starting a civil war precipitated by your people's duplicity.

That wasn't seceding, it was starting a civil war precipitated by your people's duplicity.

Sure it wasn't a brutal war of opression started by your people's micromanaging insecurity?

That wasn't seceding, it was starting a civil war precipitated by your people's duplicity.

Your words reek of hypocrisy and irony.

Perhaps you shouldn't stick your nose in the affairs of others when you cannot stomach the same in yours.



Her people are Minmatar. They were not present during this timeline.

I thought Anabella was Gallente, originally?

Emphasis mine.

I'd say the Federation was non-existent when first contact between Caldari and Gallente was made, so why even bring it up? If any thanks were to be given it would be to the political entities that did in fact exist at the time which does not include the Federation.