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Astecus
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:30:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:This is the exact reason it SHOULD flag you as suspect
Imagine 100 elite pvp'ers from the same corp show up to destroy an office, and they all go suspect. One neutral pilot next to them could then pick any target he wanted, and all the others would not be able to fight back, because they would be concorded if they attacked the neutral ship. Seems you would weed out basically everybody that way.
Noddy Comet wrote:If you can't understand the very FIRST rule listed
The GM didn't "understand" the first rule, perhaps the rules should be updated.
ElQuirko wrote:One - A carrier is capable of more than double the DPS of the next leading droneboat Two - A carrier is capable of tanking far more than the next leading droneboat whilst dealing this DPS Three - It's cheaper than the next leading pimp droneboat.
One - An Archon is not capable of more dps than a Dominix Navy Issue, as outlined. Two - The ability to tank is irrelevant when shooting Interbus offices, just as it is irrelevant when shooting belt rats. Three - Cheaper how? 15 fighters costs about 255-300 mill. Then add 5x Drone Control Unit I which comes at around 320 mill. I believe you can fit a Dominix Navy Issue pretty good for around 500 mill total.
ElQuirko wrote:rather than rotting in a station.
My Archon is usually in space 23/7, the only reason it is docked now, is because of the wardec, and rule number 2 doesn't allow me to undock now. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:52:00 -
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The new murader changes will do more dps then a single carrier, easily |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
95541
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:03:00 -
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What a Waste, get that piece of rubbish into Low/Null
HS Sec Capitals.... Look at my Epeen.... Pretty much
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Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
27
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:15:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:The new murader changes will do more dps then a single carrier, easily
/facepalm |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
95553
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:02:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:The new murader changes will do more dps then a single carrier, easily
The New Mod has just made the Phoenix viable.
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Maliandra
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.10.27 06:16:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:Everyone above farted "No" has never give reasonable counter arguments of why pve activity like this can't go through, as someone said they are jealous much *fart* This can't go through for two reasons: One - A carrier is capable of more than double the DPS of the next leading droneboat Two - A carrier is capable of tanking far more than the next leading droneboat whilst dealing this DPS Three - It's cheaper than the next leading pimp droneboat. I very much doubt anybody is jealous of your 1.2bil hull that's stuck in highsec and useless; if you fancy taking a jaunt down to null you'll see things with 100x the value being actively used in combat, or hop into wormhole space and see "leet" ships like yours being used in group PVE, rather than rotting in a station. Are you serious dude?
He is one of the rare people that still has a capital ship in hi-sec. Why the hell would he go and remove it from hi-sec? That is quite possibly the LAST thing he should do. Even if he didn't want it for some reason, he'd be far better served selling it through someone like Chrissba or whatever (I know that's not his name :P). He'd get huge ISK for it and be able to buy 1 in low/WH with a lot of spare ISK leftover. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2249
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Posted - 2013.10.27 10:28:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:ElQuirko wrote: if you fancy taking a jaunt down to null you'll see things with 100x the value being actively used in combat and ratting,
Fixed it for you. I challenge you to find me a ratting titan. No, seriously.
Astecus wrote: One - An Archon is not capable of more dps than a Dominix Navy Issue, as outlined. Two - The ability to tank is irrelevant when shooting Interbus offices, just as it is irrelevant when shooting belt rats. Three - Cheaper how? 15 fighters costs about 255-300 mill. Then add 5x Drone Control Unit I which comes at around 320 mill. I believe you can fit a Dominix Navy Issue pretty good for around 500 mill total.
One - Your Dominix Navy Issue will never apply that DPS on anything other than a stationary target. Your blaster tracking, with nothing to help it out and void in the guns, would barely be able to hit the POCO if it was going 1m/s. Two - Let's talk about how shooting POCOs will make you suspect, shall we? You really want to sit in a glasscannon battleship at a POCO perfectly stationary so your blasters can actually apply some of their damage with a suspect timer flashing? And please, belt ratting in a carrier is next-level stupid. Besides the threat from hotdroppers in that you're ridiculously easy to find, you take just under a minute to warp between belts in order to shoot four rats at a time. Ratting carriers are used in anoms if the pilot has any sense. Three - For a start, the DNI is not the "next leading pimp droneboat". Try the rattlesnake - same DPS, better active tank. Perfect for PVE. The average rattler hull is 420-ish mil, and will be fit with bling in order to maximise ticks. It will come out a similar price to a carrier.
EDIT: As an afterword to point one - try sticking Ogre IIs in instead of Garde IIs. The archon now outdamages your sentry dominix even including guns, 1746dps to 1739.
Maliandra wrote:Are you serious dude?
He is one of the rare people that still has a capital ship in hi-sec. Why the hell would he go and remove it from hi-sec? That is quite possibly the LAST thing he should do. Even if he didn't want it for some reason, he'd be far better served selling it through someone like Chrissba or whatever (I know that's not his name :P). He'd get huge ISK for it and be able to buy 1 in low/WH with a lot of spare ISK leftover.
Dunno if you were around for it, but during Burn Jita somebody logged a Nyx in that'd been there since near the start of the game and hadn't been seen since. Highsec carriers are a lot more common than you think. He's not allowed to sell it, either. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
928
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Posted - 2013.10.27 10:40:00 -
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... or the existing entries could simply be edited to say:
"Capitals in Hi Sec must be used for asteroid mining ONLY. Failure to undock with anything other than Civilian Mining Lasers fitted into all Hi slots will result in immediate CONKORDOKKEN...."
Pretty much puts an end to any concerns or need to debate this ever again.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Astecus
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.10.27 12:49:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Your Dominix Navy Issue will never apply that DPS on anything other than a stationary target. Customs offices are stationary targets, being able to hit moving targets is irrelevant.
ElQuirko wrote:Let's talk about how shooting POCOs will make you suspect, shall we? Shooting a POCO would make you criminal and get you concorded, unless you wardec first. But I assume you meant shooting highsec interbus offices, which does not make you suspect, I quote again:
CCP Paradox wrote:POCOs will flag you as Criminal in High-Sec. I am assuming you mean the InterBus CO (not POCO, thats player-owned.). An attack on these results in no consequence except PvE timer. CONCORD doesn't care about InterBus, neither do the faction navy/police. The PvE timer mentioned is the NPC logoff timer you get every time you shoot NPCs or they shoot you. It is not the same as a suspect timer, even though they have similar colors in the top left corner.
ElQuirko wrote:You really want to sit in a glasscannon battleship Yes, this is perfectly viable since you will get no suspect timer. I believe many people will be doing exactly that when Rubicon hits.
ElQuirko wrote:try sticking Ogre IIs in instead of Garde IIs Good point, I was wrong in assuming Garde IIs would give the best dps against a stationary target, since Ogres get bonus from more skills. Switching to Ogre IIs, the Archon does indeed get 1746 dps, while the DNI gets 1784 dps, which doesn't change the fact that the DNI can get a better dps.
The rattlesnake does have a better tank, but I seem to be having trouble getting it above 1351 dps with T2 torpedoes, can you show me how? I used the DNI because it has a damage bonus to two different weapon systems. |
Astecus
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.10.27 13:36:00 -
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Astecus wrote:while the DNI gets 1784 dps Scrap that, by switching one Drone Damage Amplifier II for another Magnetic Field Stabilizer II, it actually gets 1789 dps. I must have been sleeping while fitting earlier.
Felicity Love wrote:... or the existing entries could simply be edited to say:
"Capitals in Hi Sec must be used for asteroid mining ONLY. Failure to undock with anything other than Civilian Mining Lasers fitted into all Hi slots will result in immediate CONKORDOKKEN...." This would be a simple rule to understand, if CCP decided to go that way. But since my carrier has no turret slots and can't fit mining lasers, I would prefer to be able to fit Drone Control Unit I in hislots instead, to be able to field up to 15 mining drones. |
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2316
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Posted - 2013.10.27 13:40:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:ElQuirko wrote: if you fancy taking a jaunt down to null you'll see things with 100x the value being actively used in combat and ratting,
Fixed it for you. I challenge you to find me a ratting titan. No, seriously.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbZt7e_jn8w
If I find a still living one, I'll give you a ring though. :P Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
146
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:27:00 -
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I would think that any well adjusted person would understand the clearly expressed sentiment; they are grudgingly tossing existing holers a bone to basically let the caps stay arround in high sec as novelties vanity items
Its like a vintage tank or model t you would see driven in a local forth of july parade
Don't be a nutcase anal retentive unable to hear the "spirit if the law" that they have clearly expresed to anyone with basic social skills. If you start trying to make it a letter of the law thing they oughta just put aside the the good spirit they're expressing by aallowing you use of the vanity item outside of the rules thst apply to all other caps in the game . |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
199
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:41:00 -
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i see no good reason why high sec capital sales are forbidden
same with the ban on using caps for aggression
seems like unnecessary rules to me |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
57
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:57:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:I would think that any well adjusted person would understand the clearly expressed sentiment; they are grudgingly tossing existing holers a bone to basically let the caps stay arround in high sec as novelties vanity items
Its like a vintage tank or model t you would see driven in a local forth of july parade
Don't be a nutcase anal retentive unable to hear the "spirit if the law" that they have clearly expresed to anyone with basic social skills. If you start trying to make it a letter of the law thing they oughta just put aside the the good spirit they're expressing by aallowing you use of the vanity item outside of the rules thst apply to all other caps in the game
This exactly.
And I agree with previous posters that your cap should be moved to low sec. Obviously, you lack common sense or maturity to stick to the gentlemen agreement CCP once offered.
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |
Astecus
Astral Sanctuary - 4th Division
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:50:00 -
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My Archon is now dead.
Kill: zkillboard.com/detail/34129040/ Recording: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfvjTFRcoxs |
Prince Golem
Yodasmaster Corp
5
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:11:00 -
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well I guess that ends this thread |
Shaun Hansen
Corporation Danmark Tactical Narcotics Team
1
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:12:00 -
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This is a copy of what I've written on www.themittani.com:
Reading this just makes me absolutely furious. He did in no way break any rules and this stinks like a ton of rotten carcasses. You CCP guys just frakkin' give him the ship back. An Archon can be replaced but you can't replace an Archon in highsec. I am so dissappointed of CCP and furious on behalf of Astecus. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1739
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:27:00 -
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Guy gets banned for fitting a drone control unit? That's not even against the rules. And this guy was specifically asking GMs about the rules to make sure he didn't break any. What on earth is wrong with the GMs? |
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:35:00 -
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High sec Capitals are a touchy and grey area and any real discussion on that is dangerous, whether that discussion happens now to talk about allowing POCO attacks or not or after a while when people start to whineabout how this IS a form of pvp (it is) and that these caps should be rowmoed from high sec. Because it may very well, again, turn out that CCP will go "off with their heads!".
So the OP is willing to risk his and every other high sec capital for the chance to do some easy structure grinding. OP is an idiot. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9317
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:46:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Even if he didn't want it for some reason, he'd be far better served selling it through someone like Chrissba or whatever (I know that's not his name :P). He'd get huge ISK for it and be able to buy 1 in low/WH with a lot of spare ISK leftover.
That isn't allowed, actually. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
151
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:14:00 -
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As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.
Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.
To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception). High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done. Senior Game Master | CCP Games Customer Support Team
Helping capsuleers since 2004. |
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Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:18:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.
Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.
To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception). High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done. Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"? |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
357
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:26:00 -
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I believe you should review caps in high sec.
Let them live short brutal lives, and die in the glorious fireballs they deserve. |
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
151
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:27:00 -
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Alt Two wrote:GM Spiral wrote:As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.
Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.
To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception). High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done. Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"?
If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters.
If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P Senior Game Master | CCP Games Customer Support Team
Helping capsuleers since 2004. |
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Alt Two
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:31:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:Alt Two wrote:GM Spiral wrote:As for the OP, your ticket is still open you can still exercise your right to have the matter reviewed by a senior member of the GM department if you believe things to be amiss and it will be investigated.
Capital ships in high security space have been a regular discussion topic in the GM department ever since the events which resulted in the current rules for high-sec capitals.
To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception). High-sec capitals may not be sold, traded, or change hands through any means whatsoever.
We will be happy to review and reconsider said rules if that is what our community believes is something that needs to be done. Does using hardeners or other non-offensive tank modules to tank belt rats while mining count as "defending from belt rats"? If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters. If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P Yeah I understand the rule about not killing the rats. I was just wondering if fitting defensive modules was a violation as well :) Thank you for the quick answer. |
Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:35:00 -
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not being tradable is a huge finger up to any collector i mean its up there with rare limited edition ships atleast i may get one of those one day probably not but the thing is i can in theory |
Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
261
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:40:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:...To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception)... can you explicitly state whether OP can shoot Interbus customs offices? (as opposed to player owned customs offices)? if I was in charge, I would let him... but I would also make shooting NOCO grant suspect flag alongside pve :) Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2238
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:43:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:
If he is not aggressing the NPCs, we are not going to consider it a violation. On the flip side, that carrier is not preventing others from killing these NPCs and profiting from it as it would if it killed them. Very minor profit, granted but we have to draw a line somewhere. Besides, we doubt that high sec belt rats could even kill an untanked carrier going from downtime to downtime so it hardly matters.
If someone now goes and loses a high sec carrier to NPCs in a belt based off my previous statement: No, you are not getting it back. :P
Do not underestimate the value of high sec belt rats. I once got a low grade snake omega off one, in a 0.8 system. over 600 million. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
151
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:51:00 -
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Nicen Jehr wrote:GM Spiral wrote:...To clarify the rules as they currently stand. If you use your high-sec capital for anything but mining or showing off, we will have to act on it. This includes attacking or defending from belt rats, and will also include the new player owned customs offices in high sec that are coming. They are for showing off or hangar decoration only and should not impact upon the game play of any other player in that system in any way (with mining being the only exception)... can you explicitly state whether OP can shoot Interbus customs offices? (as opposed to player owned customs offices)? if I was in charge, I would let him... but I would also make shooting NOCO grant suspect flag alongside pve :)
"A player may not activate any hostile or assisting module, nor make use of any kind of drone or fighter drone, against any kind of structure (player or NPC owned), ship (player or NPC owned), or other asset (player or NPC owned) in high-security space with a capital ship normally restricted (under normal game mechanics) to 0.4 space or lower. "
Is this clear enough? :)
Whether or not our erstwhile allies in Game Design decide to have it cause some sort of flag within the Crimewatch system or not simply has no bearing on this. Senior Game Master | CCP Games Customer Support Team
Helping capsuleers since 2004. |
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Angel-agl Katelo
The Fallen Angels Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:53:00 -
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CCP: you have lost my respect.
I understand not letting a capital shoot people in high sec, I understand not letting capitals be used in high sec wars. But a drone control mod? CCP is crying over a drone control mod?
Its a CARRIER it would be STUPID to not have a drone control mod on a ship that is designed specifically for that!
Congratulations CCP, you just removed another capital from high sec. |
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