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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.30 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Halo Jones on 30/08/2003 08:22:48
THis morning, I was privy to watch the most disturbing change in atitude of gameplayers yet in eve.
Jim Raynor and his crew of pirates had been off hunting in fountain region, aparently destroying a few battleships, losing a blackbird of their own, and a scorpion later when ad'rena went for a ****. He reported such on irc.stratics.com#eve-online.
Subsequently someone DCC chatted with him, gained his IP, and started a player based DOS attack against his IP address.
This is purely malicious, it has no place in gameplay, or in geting back at someone for an attack. I am neither a member of venal or fountain alliances, but that behaviour is totally uncalled for, and totally unnecessary.
From what i cna tell the person who DCC to Jim Raynor was called Aona on irc, no longer traceable of course. But their Ip for the DOS attack, and port used appears to be 66.163.243.150:41618 perhaps CCP can investiagte into which player connetcs to the game from this IP, or perhaps their GBs of logs don't allow them to investigate such behaviour...
we shall have to wait and see
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 08:16:00 -
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Pretty sad when you have to resort to that type of bull5hit. You should smear that guys name all over because gaming has no place for that behavior.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.30 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 30/08/2003 08:39:10
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Action:Monitored
Application:System
Access:Network intrusion report
Object:"ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" <- 12.217.27.36
Time:8/30/2003 3:23:12 AM
[03:34] * Resolved 24.211.232.227 to cpe-024-211-232-227.ec.rr.com
Total lamer, he contacted me on IRC as "Aona". Can't win in game, so he attacks my internet connection instead. CCP should ban him for attacking my ISP. This is total BS.
Pathetic.
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BlindFury
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Posted - 2003.08.30 08:47:00 -
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Just go to the local authorities with log of the attack. Surprisingly police actually do investigate this sorta stuff, and if it was done over state lines, will up the case to the appropiate federal authority. If it has an IP, they will trace and find the person.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.08.30 09:42:00 -
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Yes this fella is probably way too stupid to be untraceable :) It's actually a bother to be untraceable, so most script kiddies are very easy to catch. And police and ISPs do care. And will help you if you go about asking the right way.
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:05:00 -
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The person responsible must be made an example of by ccp. A banning and the players name released ought to do it.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:09:00 -
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More than baning from Eve that lamer should get a knock on the door from the authorities.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:11:00 -
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It's a good thing I wasn't logged in Eve when this crap started or I'd be petitioning for reimbursement of my ship, I bet.
(And the GM would say no dice too, I bet)
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Ruulex DeMors
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ruulex DeMors on 30/08/2003 10:14:06
Jim I really would report this to the authorities...
And can we get a GM/Polaris comment on this?
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Entity on 30/08/2003 10:16:44
Ugh, was just waiting for something like this to happen.
I suggest that people do not accept DCC Chats from people you don't know/trust. I never do anyway, a simple private msg sufficient in most cases.
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Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:19:00 -
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For reasons such as this, is why i never use IRC.
Noticed as of several years ago, what a hacker's playground it was, no matter how useful it may for chatting. It needs to be reasonable secure first |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 30/08/2003 10:22:15
My suggestion to you guys is never accept DCC chats on stratics. They can get your IP address via DCC connections, so just a word of warning.
Generally I wouldn't accept DCC chats but I've been contacted a ton lately by people wanting to join sin corp and I thought it was just some IRC newbie trying to message me. I usually get a fair amount of messages from people on IRC.
I'll probably have to contact my ISP monday for a new IP address, since mine is static. The guy is still freaking packeting me, he's got some kind of bot network attacking me at the moment, my firewall is stopping it though for now.
This is pretty lame. I have no idea what his original IP is, though I think it might be a rr.com IP..
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:24:00 -
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Stratics and some other networks mangle your hostname so that people cannot do this sort of stuff. However, a DCC Chat always gives away your IP because you are connecting to another person's machine directly.
(You'd be surprised of the sheer amount of people that don't know about this..)
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:31:00 -
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The IP address that Jim posted is a Road Runner cable modem in the Wilmington, North Carolina area (if it helps at all). Good luck getting any useful response from [email protected] - if you do then you'll be the first person I've ever heard of who got anything other than an automated email.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.30 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 30/08/2003 08:39:10
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Action:Monitored
Application:System
Access:Network intrusion report
Object:"ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" <- 12.217.27.36
Time:8/30/2003 3:23:12 AM
[03:34] * Resolved 24.211.232.227 to cpe-024-211-232-227.ec.rr.com
Total lamer, he contacted me on IRC as "Aona". Can't win in game, so he attacks my internet connection instead. CCP should ban him for attacking my ISP. This is total BS.
Pathetic.
Please type in his ip adres in the following whois db:
www.ripe.net
and contact his provider..
These offences are getting you a perma ban with all providers i worked for.
Also report this behaviour to your own isp, incase his ISP will not take actions upon him. If there are enough reports, your isp might block his isp and therefor he cannot attack you directly anymore.
(btw what a dip****)
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:04:00 -
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RIPE is the European registry dreamworks...
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:07:00 -
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Oh yeah, then you need arin
http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl
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Ocra Nomium
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:11:00 -
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baaghhhh Dos attack. But very carefull could be that the guy attacking you used a open proxy and not his own. So it could happen that a net ignorant that has`t secured his connection was used to route the dos spike through his line.
Why i say this most frigging Dossers never use there own IP`s but find open proxies and use em
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:25:00 -
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Quote:
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Action:Monitored
Application:System
Access:Network intrusion report
Object:"ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" <- 12.217.27.36
Time:8/30/2003 3:23:12 AM
[03:34] * Resolved 24.211.232.227 to cpe-024-211-232-227.ec.rr.com
Total lamer, he contacted me on IRC as "Aona". Can't win in game, so he attacks my internet connection instead. CCP should ban him for attacking my ISP. This is total BS.
Pathetic.
It is, but... if you are so concerned about security, even using a personal firewall etc., why did you accept a dcc chat ? I think you know the implications right ? 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:37:00 -
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Quote:
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Action:Monitored
Application:System
Access:Network intrusion report
Object:"ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" <- 12.217.27.36
Time:8/30/2003 3:23:12 AM
[03:34] * Resolved 24.211.232.227 to cpe-024-211-232-227.ec.rr.com
Total lamer, he contacted me on IRC as "Aona". Can't win in game, so he attacks my internet connection instead. CCP should ban him for attacking my ISP. This is total BS.
Pathetic.
It is, but... if you are so concerned about security, even using a personal firewall etc., why did you accept a dcc chat ? I think you know the implications right ?
Wasn't paying attention. Thought the guy just wanted to talk. Some people I know (well, on EFNet) always use DCC chat. I didn't expect the guy to get my IP and start attacking my ISP connection. =P
Lots of people applying for sinister lately so really, I just thought it was another app. heh.
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Kahlee
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:38:00 -
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maybe she said she was 90-60-90 bonde?
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nonsequitur
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:41:00 -
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maybe she said she was 90-60-90 bonde?
dear god I hope that is in metric units, otherwise that is one mean woman.
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Damn thats just sad, anyone who takes things over from the game to you personally like that is just pathetic, bleh.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.30 11:55:00 -
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If the person who did this can be traced they should be banned, as well as any further action that his/her ISP might want to take.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2003.08.30 13:03:00 -
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you dont need to dcc chat someone on irc to get their ip. A /whois and a resolve is enough to do that.
Quite sad when tossers start resolve to such things just to get ahead in the game. Or whatever.... sad sad sad sad people.. doesnt deserve a internet connection at all..
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.30 13:16:00 -
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Stratics is quite good in that it masks your host names so that your ip cant be gotten without a dcc chat.
I however just connect to irc through a bouncer*, which is sadly neccessary in these times as lamas abound :-(
(*most times when i remember :) )
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 30/08/2003 13:47:05
Quakenet goes a tad further - it masks your hostname but only if you're authed*. Being authed means you are traceable  - well up to a point anyway.
*As far as I can remember - or possibly not
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:06:00 -
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quakenet do no such thing, someone entire IP is clearly visible when then join if you whois them, on stratics u cnat do this, thus cant start an attack with a dcc
still back to the person who initiated this attack
what action is CCP going to take?
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 30/08/2003 14:48:45
You obviously don't use Quakenet that much 
Try /mode set +x or if your IRC client is crap then try /raw mode set +x. Put it in your buffer after authing and before joining a channel.
Now would you care to admit you're totally wrong
And unless CCP run stratics what the hell does this have to do with them? Jim got DoS'd from IRC, not in-game. The two may be related but I fail to see why CCP should be getting involved in this.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:49:00 -
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agrizla,
Maybe you should offer to help CCP out with tech support.
You seem smarter than the average techy 
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:52:00 -
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No offence (or false modesty) but they couldn't afford me They'd have to pay me double what I currently earn to even contemplate doing end-user support anyway - that way lies madness
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:53:00 -
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Madness isn't so bad.
Look at poor stavr0s.
He's quite barking but loveable all the same.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 30/08/2003 14:55:54
Yes but he talks about knives a disturbing amount of times Edit - a preponderance to violent and sadistic acts is something that is well-known to occur with people who do end-user support
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Scimitar
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Posted - 2003.08.30 14:56:00 -
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Typical of peoples attitudes on the net, they wont accept being beaten and start getting malicious, it happens everywhere. Once a person no longer has to look you in the eye they think they can do what the **** they want, None of this would happen at LANS for instance (i would hope anyway). Problem is, youngsters playing net games and picking up all the bad language, seeing others treat others like **** and think its alright to behave like that. So they grow up like this and dont change :S. One only has to play counterstrike for instance and this kind thing happens all the time :/
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:00:00 -
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Anyway - sorry for taking it off-topic.
Jim should be contacting his ISP and [email protected] initially. They should be the ones dealing with this, not CCP. He'll get nowhere with Road Runner so hopefully this idiot is flooding him with enough traffic that it's causing problems at the local end of his cableco. If that is the case then his ISP should be talking directly to Road Runner. Hell, you never know - they may actually get a response.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:04:00 -
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You all know that the offender will be an immature kid whos not old enough to sign up for the game themselves, they'll be using dads credit card and probably dads internet connection.
People who do this sort of thing really do sicken me. They're not only ruining your gaming experience, but also ruining your net connection for anyone else in your family who may share it.
It's pathetic.
I'd recommend keeping your logs and sending a copy to the offenders ISP, also send copies to your ISP and inform both that you've sent logs to both ISP's.
Maybe they'll take action and cancel the offenders internet account.
I doubt there is much CCP could do about this, after all how can they prove that this DOS attack is taking place? It's really down to you contacting your ISP and their ISP and explaining the problem.
I wish you the best of luck with this, I really hope you get this persons internet account cancelled.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:08:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Jim Raynor on 30/08/2003 08:39:10
Count:1
Action:Monitored
Application:System
Access:Network intrusion report
Object:"ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows" <- 12.217.27.36
Time:8/30/2003 3:23:12 AM
[03:34] * Resolved 24.211.232.227 to cpe-024-211-232-227.ec.rr.com
Total lamer, he contacted me on IRC as "Aona". Can't win in game, so he attacks my internet connection instead. CCP should ban him for attacking my ISP. This is total BS.
Pathetic.
Lag some one on purpose and get banned? Then m0o should all be banned, they used the cc lag exploit for weeks.
Banned for attacking your ISP? That is not a CCP problem, its your ISP's problem to solve and seek legal remedy.
You can't base all the internet lag issues on CCP's doorstep, or they will be forced to ban most of the world (sobig and msblaster caused this on millions of systems), and run cable to each customers door for a private line straight to the CCP server cluster, with no internet usage, all to avoid the lag from nasty little script kiddies....get real
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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cball
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:11:00 -
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The person responsible must be made an example of by ccp. A banning and the players name released ought to do it.
You want a non CCP issue to be reflected in the game?
Sorry, this is not a CCP issue in any way shape or form.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:11:00 -
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yawn could care less
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:12:00 -
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cc lag exploit?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
cball
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:17:00 -
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Typical of peoples attitudes on the net, they wont accept being beaten and start getting malicious, it happens everywhere. Once a person no longer has to look you in the eye they think they can do what the **** they want, None of this would happen at LANS for instance (i would hope anyway). Problem is, youngsters playing net games and picking up all the bad language, seeing others treat others like **** and think its alright to behave like that. So they grow up like this and dont change :S. One only has to play counterstrike for instance and this kind thing happens all the time :/
Bad bad bad, you would have a valid point, but resorted to cursing like the little kids you are insulting.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Karen de Winter
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Karen de Winter on 30/08/2003 15:19:15
I don;t see what this has to do with CCP though, other than the fact that it would have been started because of the game. It's like claiming that the company responsible for developing Lineage or whatever is also responsible for policing the korean murders due to the game. It didn't happen on CCP's servers or network, nor did it happen ingame or because of the way the game works.
The responsibilty for following this up must lie in the fact that DoS attacks are surely illegal, and it is therefore your responsibility to follow it up with the police or your ISP.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:39:00 -
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dude SHUT up with the cargo can exploit.
its NOT an exploit or we would be banned.
its not been raised in months anyway, jeez - this has NOTHING to do with m0o anyway. Jimmy is in sinister.
stupid idiots.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.08.30 15:57:00 -
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I think cball once lost a ship to m0o and has never got over it
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.30 16:30:00 -
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If this was a FA member and you can bring me proof of his Char name i will move to have him kicked from the Alliance.
On behalf of FA i appologize for this nevertheless.
Next time Jim, come at a less ungodly hour than 6:30am when i could barely keep my eyes up :-p woulda loved fighting your crew.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.08.30 16:33:00 -
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You know.. I went to bed right before everyone left to play with Fountain - I'm sorry I missed it, because I'd like to be in your bull**** "Omg he h4xed me! Exploit! Give me back my stuff that I'm too sorry to defend" crap..
Try again. You carebears will never cease to amaze me the extent you go to make you look better, and/or us worse.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.08.30 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ganja on 30/08/2003 16:39:27
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quakenet do no such thing, someone entire IP is clearly visible when then join if you whois them, on stratics u cnat do this, thus cant start an attack with a dcc
still back to the person who initiated this attack
what action is CCP going to take?
And obviously you weren't listening..
Openning a DCC Chat - Regardless of the network. It will display your IP, and the person your connecting to's IP.
Complete easy to get the IP.. but no.. you don't actual 'attack' through IRC.. they went through other objectives.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.08.30 16:44:00 -
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Ganja, if we find out who did it and they are in FA, we'll feed them to Sinistar with a bow tie.
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.30 16:44:00 -
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Ganja your full of it, we did not claim any of hacked or exploited, atleast not as an alliance.
You came killed 1 of our Patrol battleships lost 1 bs and 1 cruiser afaik, you also killed some Guests that had passes to fountain.
We enjoy PvP so stuff the attitude.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
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Singha Miasong
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:05:00 -
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dude SHUT up with the cargo can exploit.
its NOT an exploit or we would be banned.
its not been raised in months anyway, jeez - this has NOTHING to do with m0o anyway. Jimmy is in sinister.
stupid idiots.
Devs, and GM called it an exploit, weeks after they changed how the cc's could be ejected. Sorry to burst your griefers bubble, but it was an exploit, and CCP failed to enforce the EULA in fear of losing even more of the client base.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:10:00 -
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Ganja your full of it, we did not claim any of hacked or exploited, atleast not as an alliance.
You came killed 1 of our Patrol battleships lost 1 bs and 1 cruiser afaik, you also killed some Guests that had passes to fountain.
We enjoy PvP so stuff the attitude.
I didn't point any fingers at who did it. Regardless which retarded alliance they are in ;P (I just don't like'm.. no offense to any, just 'plurrr')..
Guilty Concious Speaks Its Mind. Ever heard that one?
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