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NickyYo
FrogCorp
Holy Frog
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:05:00 -
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There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced upon a lot of compulsive vulnerable eve players..
I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..
Take this story for instance
- One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.
Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!
Heres another story
- A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!
The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..
My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of making players addicted ro gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!
I don't like the direction this game is taking,
p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6872
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:07:00 -
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Its just another NickyYo thread people.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:14:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:
My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of addiction so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!
It's not that they are encouraging gambling. It's that they are allowing stupidity.
If you want a company to hold your hand, WOW is always looking for new players.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
NickyYo
FrogCorp
Holy Frog
374
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:17:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:NickyYo wrote:
My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of addiction so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!
It's not that they are encouraging gambling. It's that they are allowing stupidity. If you want a company to hold your hand, WOW is always looking for new players. Mr Epeen
Well i would agree with you but this is different, its all effectively happening out of game! it has nothing to do with eves game mechanics nor in the EULA, your comment is stupid and invalid.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
244
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:20:00 -
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In regards to gambling in general it's my personal opinion that there's such a thing as personal responsibility. Some people are more susceptible to becoming addicted to things than others, but at the end of the day no-one is forcing that person to play. If someone wants to gamble away all their belongings then that's their own choice.
By extension you could say that market speculation in EVE is gambling. Someone might lose everything they have on a bad deal and, convinced it won't happen again, buy 1000 dollars worth of PLEX to try again. And again, and again. It's essentially the same thing as a gambling site like Somer or EVE Poker. More importantly, the market is the backbone of the entire game. If CCP were to be forced to remove the market gambling then it would essentially kill the entire game.
I don't think CCP should have any responsibility in this area. They are promoting what is to be considered a fun game that is played with fake money. At no point are they encouraging anyone to invest real money in any site (not gonna go into the Somer debate again. Everything there is to say about that has been said at this point).
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SpoonRECKLESS
Bumper R Us
87
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:21:00 -
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TL;DR gonna dance with this chicken wing.
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NickyYo
FrogCorp
Holy Frog
374
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:26:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:
I don't think CCP should have any responsibility in this area. They are promoting what is to be considered a fun game that is played with fake money.
NO they are not! they are promoting SOMER who are effectivly promoting BUY GTC on a gambling page!! when people lose there somer credits they go spend real money on a gtc!! this is real money gambling!! just like when you deposit money on a gambling site and it then turns into a virtual currency!!
Its just like buying a scratch card to win a car or a holiday!!! people are buying gtc to do it!! its real gambling and CCP are in real trouble with the lawif this is brought to light.
CCP knows exactly what they're involved with and is probably why they're promoting it through a 3rd party..
CCP needs to be carefull in this area!! i can see a court case appearing and winning!
To solve this problem, CCP has to deny 3rd party gambling of isk!
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
244
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:33:00 -
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God, you're dense... 
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
1995
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:42:00 -
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This is not the way to complain about Somer.
Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.
If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.
That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.
You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4305
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:45:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:This is not the way to complain about Somer.
Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.
If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.
That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.
You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection." You need to learn to read. |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
Circle-Of-Two
425
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:49:00 -
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the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling |
Solstice Project
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4306
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:55:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling That's pretty deep. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo
Red Coat Conspiracy
361
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:55:00 -
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Trolls gonna troll...
~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
588
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:11:00 -
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Well the truth is that buying plex should come with a stated warning and have a toll free number for gambling addiction help just like all the other gambling sites.
Really... EVE is just a glorified poker game in which you destroy other people's time and money except you can never withdraw the money back into real life... Unless you are Somer Blink.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:14:00 -
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But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
589
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:23:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.
Even if you are good at poker eventually you will lose especially if you are playing against the house. I don't have anything against people losing their money, but there should be odds disclaimers.
Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:25:00 -
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This is exactly why it works so well to have it third party. Both sides profit while things are good and when problems arise ccp can cut them loose with relative ease and cleanliness ))) |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
246
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:40:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win. Even if you are good at poker eventually you will lose especially if you are playing against the house. I don't have anything against people losing their money, but there should be odds disclaimers. Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.
Poker is not gambling
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
71
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:43:00 -
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I think we can admit its always been about the money |
Thead Enco
III Legion
19
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:48:00 -
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Welcome back sir! GD hasn't been the same without you |
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Cat Casidy
Origin.
Black Legion.
162
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:51:00 -
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why did you bold and underline the word holiday?
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
494
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:04:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced uponforcing yout of compulsive vulnerable eve players.. I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard.. Take this story for instance
- One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.
Ok, so think about this.. . isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!
Heres another story
- A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!
The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards.. My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong! I don't like the direction this game is taking, p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer
Wtf happened to personal responsibility, you did those things and so did your friends, if it goes wrong then tough ****, HTFU and take it on the chin, like a real capsuleer. Nobody forced you to gamble. I am not happy about the whole somer blink thing, but nobody is forcing you to do anything. Self control includes the word self for a reason.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
destiny2
Perkone
Caldari State
223
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:20:00 -
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I dont see how CCP is at fault for encourgeing people to gamble. its not like their saying hey play this game and win isk. thro spending isk???
Your obviously just another problem player who obviosuly is seeking attention.
get off your computer, and go play outside in RL for a change.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2000
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:23:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:This is not the way to complain about Somer.
Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.
If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.
That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.
You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection." You need to learn to read.
He thinks because some might be vulnerable, we should discourage gambling because some might be vulnerable.
Some might be underage, so we have to discourage gambling for everyone.
Some might have spent real cash.
People took advantage of some people, so he feels sick.
I read the whole thing and stand by my words. The OP is a ******* idiot.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:32:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:...
Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.
That's simultaneously; an admission that what they are providing is toxic and a cover against any responsibility for that.
This whole idea of 'personal responsibility' has been force-fed to the public by people who trade in anti-social and poisonous goods. It's appealing as an idea because it allows you to one-shot the argument of someone who's life has been ruined.
For example: shutup, losers.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
Setting The Universe on Fire
143
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:52:00 -
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If someone uses RL money to gambling its their own damn fault. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
591
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:54:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:The OP is a ******* idiot.
Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad.
You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have".
Wordy yes.
Makes me look bad for saying it. No.
Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
Zero Hour Alliance
188
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Posted - 2013.11.04 00:58:00 -
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Eve is on the internet.
**** is on the internet.
Eve is a gateway for ****...
...or perhaps **** is a gateway for Eve?
Running to get my tinfoil hat and moisturiser cream :D
Omfg it has censored it! All I can say is Eve is the most entertaining game not to play ;) |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3600
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:00:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Welcome back sir! GD hasn't been the same without you
You mean quieter... right?
Though... I guess he does serve as a decent, if trollish, lightning rod for various fear mongering rumors and conspiracy theories.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2000
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:01:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:The OP is a ******* idiot. Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad. You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have". Wordy yes. Makes me look bad for saying it. No. Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.
Maybe behind the asterisks is "well-meaning." Take it as you will. If someone is offended by being called dumb, then all hope is lost.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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