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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
572
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:02:00 -
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*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk* That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
52
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:03:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:... Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline. That's simultaneously; an admission that what they are providing is toxic and a cover against any responsibility for that. This whole idea of 'personal responsibility' has been force-fed to the public by people who trade in anti-social and poisonous goods. It's appealing as an idea because it allows you to one-shot the argument of someone who's life has been ruined. For example: shutup, losers.
No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple. A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
591
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:13:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:The OP is a ******* idiot. Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad. You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have". Wordy yes. Makes me look bad for saying it. No. Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it. Maybe behind the asterisks is "well-meaning." Take it as you will. If someone is offended by being called dumb, then all hope is lost.
Calling someone dumb is a personal attack even if its true. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

stoicfaux
3310
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:27:00 -
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Thrice damned, bloody mother fornicating spawn of a jackal she-dog! 
I really detest having to like one of NickyYo's posts.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1600
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Posted - 2013.11.04 01:53:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple.
Sure...if you're twelve.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |

Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
45
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:22:00 -
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Gambling is Illegal in my state unless its the state sponsored lottery so I don't gamble. |

ArmyOfMe
0mega. Phobia.
223
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:25:00 -
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Oh ffs, there is no end to all these somer threads. |

Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
52
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:33:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple. Sure...if you're twelve.
I'm sorry to hear you lost your free will at 13. Is that common in the part of the world you're from? And how does it work? Indentured servitude? Slavery? Corporal punishment? Please, I'm always interested in learning about foreign culture. Is it state sponsored, or only local tradition? Does the Human Rights Watch know? And finally, who made you subscribe to EVE Online, come on the forums today, read this thread and then reply to it? And how did they do so? Will they punish you for answering me without permission. I'm very sorry to learn of your plight, I'll be watching the news to see if they pick up this story of people being forced to read the EVE-O forums. A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |

Angeal MacNova
LankTech
102
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Posted - 2013.11.04 02:57:00 -
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You should play something by NCSoft/ANet. Black Lion Chests is straight up gambling but due to the nature involved (ie. virtual currency regardless if purchased with real money) it circumvents the laws. Thus allowing minors to gamble (ultimately with RL money).
As far as CCP goes though, they are guilty of far worse with the kind of psychological behavior they encourage.
Scenario 1:
Person A and person B knew each other. They later came to hate each other. All fine when kept in the game right? Person A know person B's RL name and city in which they live so Person A calls the cops on person B saying that person B said that they were gonna kill themselves. Person B ends up being put on suicide watch.
Person B brought this to CCP's attention. CCP does nothing.
Scenario 2:
Well, let's just say that this one involves a person (and a few of this person's colleagues) actively stalked and harassed who should've been on suicide watch just to see if they could push him to do it. CCP's action? The main guy responsible gets a temp ban?
****, the main guy should be seeing the inside of a court room at the very least. His account should've been completely wiped (perma banned) and he should be under watch himself to ensure he can't play any MMO for at least a year.
So while gambling is an issue with MMOs, CCP is guilty of much worse. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
479
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Posted - 2013.11.04 03:21:00 -
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In neither of those scenario's should CCP be taking further action. If further action is required it is a police/court matter. Not a CCP matter. CCP acted within the limits of their responsibility. Court rooms are not CCP's area to bring charges. |

Sheldor Amouh
8
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:12:00 -
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I know this may not be the part of the post I was supposed to focus on, what with all the capping and bolding and underlining and emphatic punctuation, but how does one precisely determine someones age from their voice? I ask because people (ie strangers known as telemarketers) started calling me sir and askinif I was "the man of the house" when I was around nine.
Btw, online, capping and bolding and underlineing and emphatic punctuation are the equivilant of screaming like a raving mad man. Not really the way to be taken seriously. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms. |

Greenmachine Sale
Circulus Exousias
17
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Posted - 2013.11.04 05:06:00 -
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I love bad bitches, that's my fuckin problem And yeah I like to ****, I got a fuckin problem
bad promotions! |

adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.11.04 05:35:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:This is not the way to complain about Somer.
Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.
If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.
That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.
You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."
It is an established fact that gamblers rarely learn in RL. They keep playing, losing and end up destroying their lives. They need help to stop them and not an incentive for more gambling. |

NickyYo
FrogCorp Holy Frog
388
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Posted - 2013.11.04 09:52:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:why did you bold and underline the word holiday?
Why you think? didn't CCP give Somer eve vegas holidays to be won through gambling? and say i bought GTC to try win. That by law is real gambling and requires a license.. .. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
471
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:21:00 -
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I lost about 100M ISK on the gambling sites, then i stopped playing those games. It is addicting, there is adrenaline, risk, and a need to try your luck, and always when I was thinking about cashing out, the inner voice said "you need one more game to win, one more game..."
So I stopped at 100M mark, it was not a lot of ISK for me back in the time, but why feed the inner "greed monster"? It will grow stronger occasionally.
Certain people know when to stop, others don't. Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1880
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:24:00 -
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I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.
Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Frying Doom
3192
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:33:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.
Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to. Well as you are Australian
Wikipedia wrote:Australia
On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.
The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1881
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.
Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to. Well as you are Australian Wikipedia wrote:Australia
On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.
The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.
Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't.
I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Frying Doom
3193
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:56:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.
Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to. Well as you are Australian Wikipedia wrote:Australia
On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.
The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair. Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't. I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way. Actually I too read that review when it was released. I believe it actually states that its problem is that it cannot be enforced against overseas sites.
That however does not make those sites any less illegal now does it? Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1881
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:59:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.
Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to. Well as you are Australian Wikipedia wrote:Australia
On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.
The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair. Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't. I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way. Actually I too read that review when it was released. I believe it actually states that its problem is that it cannot be enforced against overseas sites. That however does not make those sites any less illegal now does it?
There's more than one review, derp. Did you not notice I used the plural 'reviews' up there? Seriously, wall of text incoming if you are going to keep pretending you know what you're talking about.... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:01:00 -
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LOL.... who cares... you think people cant gamble on their own in private? There's no age requirement for that lol... People have been gambling since... well, forever... it isn't a big deal unless you make one out of it.
And BTW, those guys didn't "lose" their money... it wasn't taken away from them... they gambled it away, making a conscious decision. You can't just go and bet all your money on something and then complain when you didn't win. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
277
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:05:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling That's pretty deep.
I heard people gamble and lose huge sums speculating on the Jita market. Ban markets imo. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |

Jim McMorris
Occidendi Apocalypse Now.
26
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:11:00 -
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There needs to more safeguards to protect the children of EVE. why pay? |

Fochhita Tsuruomo
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:22:00 -
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As they say "new york" hey you never know  |

Frying Doom
3199
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:45:00 -
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While I think its a bit silly but I will put this here
EULA wrote:C. Children (1) Responsibility for Account
Minor children may not establish an Account without the consent of a parent or guardian. If the user of EVE is a minor, a parent or guardian must complete the registration process to establish an Account, in which case the parent or guardian takes full responsibility for all obligations under the EULA and for all activities of the child using the Account. If you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account).
If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA.
Read it and understand what it actually says  Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
471
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:55:00 -
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Adult 13 accepting the EULA on behalf of his child?  Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |

Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
34
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:14:00 -
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The first time I heard about Somer I knew it would get eve in trouble via international gamblings laws. You guys call troll and laugh, but some countries are dead serious when it comes to gambling.
I say CCP ask Somer to close up shop before lawsuits happen, and parts of the world ban the game. |

Prince Kobol
1095
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:24:00 -
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Its funny how the thread went from ban gambling to ban somer...
If you want to argue that gambling is bad, fine, but that must include all forms a gambling including not only Somer, but Evebet, Evepoker etc any kind of lottery, whether it be on a website, forum, alliance only lotteries and in game lotteries.
Basically anything involving consideration, chance and prize would be considered gambling.
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Prince Kobol
1095
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:24:00 -
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Eto Tekai wrote:The first time I heard about Somer I knew it would get eve in trouble via international gamblings laws. You guys call troll and laugh, but some countries are dead serious when it comes to gambling.
I say CCP ask Somer to close up shop before lawsuits happen, and parts of the world ban the game.
*facepalm* |

Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
34
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:29:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Its funny how the thread went from ban gambling to ban somer...
If you want to argue that gambling is bad, fine, but that must include all forms a gambling including not only Somer, but Evebet, Evepoker etc any kind of lottery, whether it be on a website, forum, alliance only lotteries and in game lotteries.
Basically anything involving consideration, chance and prize would be considered gambling.
I agree, remove them all. |
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