My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties at the expence of addiction so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

It's not that they are encouraging gambling. It's that they are allowing stupidity.

If you want a company to hold your hand, WOW is always looking for new players.

Mr Epeen

I don't think CCP should have any responsibility in this area. They are promoting what is to be considered a fun game that is played with fake money.

This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."

the gambling known as business looks with disfavour upon the business known as gambling

But what about those of us that have earned ISK by playing blinks? Are you saying I should be denied the choice to potentially squander my ISK because you lost at poker? I argue that you should either learn how to play poker or just not do it. Well actually I argue that you should continue to lose so that I can continue to win.

Even if you are good at poker eventually you will lose especially if you are playing against the house. I don't have anything against people losing their money, but there should be odds disclaimers.

Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.

There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced uponforcing yout of compulsive vulnerable eve players..

I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..

Take this story for instance

• One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.

Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!

Heres another story

• A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!

The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

I don't like the direction this game is taking,

p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer

You need to learn to read.

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Even the innocuous state lottery has a warning to gamble responsibly and has a toll free number to a gambling addicts hotline.

The OP is a ******* idiot.

Welcome back sir! GD hasn't been the same without you

Look. I troll a lot and get away with it, but at least I know that direct ad hominem attacks make the person doing them look bad.

You should say "the poster is one who lacks the understanding many of those with basic intelligence have".

Wordy yes.

Makes me look bad for saying it. No.

Someone will probably report you for personal attacks and ISD will modify your post. If that happens you lose points on the forum game. You have to say something bad and get away with it.

That's simultaneously; an admission that what they are providing is toxic and a cover against any responsibility for that.
This whole idea of 'personal responsibility' has been force-fed to the public by people who trade in anti-social and poisonous goods. It's appealing as an idea because it allows you to one-shot the argument of someone who's life has been ruined.

For example: shutup, losers.

Maybe behind the asterisks is "well-meaning." Take it as you will. If someone is offended by being called dumb, then all hope is lost.

No. People do things because they want to do them, and they don't things because they don't want to. It's truly that simple.

Sure...if you're twelve.

This is not the way to complain about Somer.

Eve is a niche game. Please stop trying to make it mainstream, nerfing all of its uniqueness.

If people want to be ******** in a video game (such as playing Somer with large sums all day every day), we should let them, and point fingers and laugh.

That's how people learn lessons. Maybe then they will learn something and act better in the real world.

You don't like gambling? Then don't gamble and leave people alone to make their own ******* decisions rather than nerfing everything to "perfection."

why did you bold and underline the word holiday?

I play 100mil a day. Two days ago, I won 100mil back. Yesterday, I lost the 100mil. All of it. Today, I won 124mil back. You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, it is all about personal responsibility and self-control. If you're playing with more than you can afford to lose, you have a problem. And it's your problem, and nobody else's.

Also... please specify which law is being broken and which country it applies to.

Australia

On 28 June 2001 the Australian Government passed the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 (IGA). The government said that the IGA was important to protect Australians from the harmful effects of gambling.

The IGA targets the providers of interactive gambling services. The IGA makes it an offence to provide an interactive gambling service to a customer physically present in Australia, but it is not an offence for Australian residents to play poker or casino games online. In stark contrast to the USA, sports betting online is also completely legal in Australia, with many state government licensed sportsbooks in operation, such as Centrebet, Sportingbet & Betfair.

Well as you are Australian

Please don't quote mine a Wiki page at me without actually reading the Act, and its subsequent reviews and corresponding research, in full, and establishing a complete understanding of the Act, or heed this, I will write an epic wall of text outlining every single point that you think might apply to this, and then explain exactly why it doesn't.

I know the Act quite well, I was one of its protesters. I can write that wall of text without even looking up all the research I already have bookmarked, but in short, this Act's problem, just like with every other Act of this nature, is that it cannot be enforced. The other big point is that it only, specifically applies to gambling with real money, for real prizes. While one might argue that buying a GTC with real money then using the isk to gamble is exactly the same thing, this is actually the point where the Act cannot be enforced, because you're not actually using real money for the act of gambling itself, and you are not winning prizes that can be exchanged for real money in any way.

Actually I too read that review when it was released. I believe it actually states that its problem is that it cannot be enforced against overseas sites.

That however does not make those sites any less illegal now does it?

That's pretty deep.

C. Children
(1) Responsibility for Account

Minor children may not establish an Account without the consent of a parent or guardian. If the user of EVE is a minor, a parent or guardian must complete the registration process to establish an Account, in which case the parent or guardian takes full responsibility for all obligations under the EULA and for all activities of the child using the Account. If you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account).

If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA.

The first time I heard about Somer I knew it would get eve in trouble via international gamblings laws. You guys call troll and laugh, but some countries are dead serious when it comes to gambling.

I say CCP ask Somer to close up shop before lawsuits happen, and parts of the world ban the game.

Its funny how the thread went from ban gambling to ban somer...

If you want to argue that gambling is bad, fine, but that must include all forms a gambling including not only Somer, but Evebet, Evepoker etc any kind of lottery, whether it be on a website, forum, alliance only lotteries and in game lotteries.

Basically anything involving consideration, chance and prize would be considered gambling.

To those who say that gambling is a personal choice, you are aware that one can 'legitimately' play Eve aged 13?

I would not have been happy if either of my daughters had gambled in any way shape or form when they were that age.

Some Blink. scamming CCP, Eve players (add to list as desired) good for them.

13 year old children gambling, not so good.

How many parents of these children are aware that gambling is even possible in the game?

I do not believe CCP have been 'evil' but rather that they have been foolish to have too close a connection to a gambling site.

So you also believe like Eto Tekai that all forms of gambling should be removed?

Its just another NickyYo thread people.


Move along, nothing to see here.

There is a lot of vulnerable people who play eve, all this advertisement and the constant news updates on gambling and gambling events, promotions etc etc.. is making me sick.. its surly a negative/illness being introduced upon a lot of compulsive vulnerable eve players..

I've spoke to a few people about this on teamspeak, and heres some of the stories i've heard..

Take this story for instance

• One guy who sounded about 17 has spent all his ingame isk and has bought multiple game time codes via blinks affiliate link to get an isk bonus and to also sell them on the time code forum.

Ok, so think about this... isn't this affectivly real money gambling? of an underaged person? Im sure if this was taken to court CCP would lose! due to all the promotions and enticements ccp are doing to get people involved in gambling AND TO SELL PLEX!

Heres another story

• A player was introduced into real money gambling via the corruption of blink and eohpoker, he thought he could make money more easier to buy gtc for isk with rather than just gambling isk.. This has resulting in the player losing 1000's of rk money!!

The above story has been confessed by multiple corpies and friendlys and i have also done the above one and lost around 100 pound. I felt sick / depressed afterwards..


My point is! this.. CCP are effectively encouraging gambling with these 3rd parties (who make money through GTC sales on their gambling pages) at the expence of making players addicted to gambling so they can make an extra BUCK!!! This is wrong!

I don't like the direction this game is taking,

p.s not proof read.. to tired to check spelling and grammer

Ok

So the legality is

If Somer is based on a US Server and they are letting under the age limit children to gamble then they are breaking the law.

If they are connecting via EvE Online which requires a API key from CCP database to activate SOMER accounts that too is breaking the law.

OH CCP your "were ok we have our own rules in Iceland dont mean **** on this one"

What CCP is actually doing is let minors ie 13 (minumum age for EULA) toplay the game then letting minors below the age of 18 have access to sites in which they can transfer in game isk to bet. Purchasing GTC via SOMER and receiving 1 bill blink credit is actually forcing a minor to gamble which is also braking the law in pretty much every country around the world.

OH forgot to mention. As they are accessing the site via a uk based server where EvE is based your actually letting minors break the law aswell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/gambling_age_chart.htm

SO IN BIG FAT CAPS. Your breaking the law by not advertising or requesting an authorisation to age when entering SOMER and because CCP are not requesting the age when entering SOMER as you have to when transfering isk you are also breaking pretty much every gambling law there is.

Have fun with that

Edited: Forgot to say most sites credit cards in cetain countries are banned from paying monies into Lotteries and gambling sites. What SOMER is doing is breaking another law by letting minors and people over 18 pay for GTC and giving them monies in return to gamble which has been paid via a credit card. Thats a big fat no no.


IF CCP actually set a age request when connecting to SOMER via EvE then there safe. Also if SOMER enter a legal age requirement then there safe. If none of the 2 do not have this is place currently then they are breaking modern law in the use of internet gambling and payments.

PS you can contact [email protected] but the likely hood of a reply in nil. Ive been trying for 4 months to get a reply from them and omg they havent

Small little thing.. Wikipedia isn't the law

This is where you need to go as regards to gambling in the UK..

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/

Read this and please stop internet layering

Meaning of GÇ£childGÇ¥ and GÇ£young personGÇ¥

(1)In this Act GÇ£childGÇ¥ means an individual who is less than 16 years old.

(2)In this Act GÇ£young personGÇ¥ means an individual who is not a child but who is less than 18 years old.

46 Invitation to gamble

(1)A person commits an offence if he invites, causes or permits a child or young person to gamble.

Everyone realizes that in order for it to be a gambling site, you have to be able to cash out your winnings right?

You wouldn't have done 4 pages of nonsense without knowing that ... RIGHT?

*edit* otherwise all your doing is paying money to play SOMER Blink the gambling game...

9 Betting: general3 Gambling

In this Act GÇ£gamblingGÇ¥ meansGÇö

(a)gaming (within the meaning of section 6),

(b)betting (within the meaning of section 9), and

(c)participating in a lottery (within the meaning of section 14 and subject to section 15).

6 Gaming & game of chance
(1)In this Act GÇ£bettingGÇ¥ means making or accepting a bet onGÇö

(a)the outcome of a race, competition or other event or process,

(b)the likelihood of anything occurring or not occurring, or

(c)whether anything is or is not true.

14 Lottery
(4)In this Act GÇ£prizeGÇ¥ in relation to lotteries includes any money, articles or servicesGÇö

(a)whether or not described as a prize, and

(b)whether or not consisting wholly or partly of money paid, or articles or services provided, by the members of the class among whom the prize is allocated.

Everyone realizes that in order for it to be a gambling site, you have to be able to cash out your winnings right?

You wouldn't have done 4 pages of nonsense without knowing that ... RIGHT?

*edit* otherwise all your doing is paying money to play SOMER Blink the gambling game...

9 Betting: general
3 Gambling

In this Act GÇ£gamblingGÇ¥ meansGÇö

(a)gaming (within the meaning of section 6),

(b)betting (within the meaning of section 9), and

(c)participating in a lottery (within the meaning of section 14 and subject to section 15).

6 Gaming & game of chance
(1)In this Act GÇ£bettingGÇ¥ means making or accepting a bet onGÇö

(a)the outcome of a race, competition or other event or process,

(b)the likelihood of anything occurring or not occurring, or

(c)whether anything is or is not true.

14 Lottery
(4)In this Act GÇ£prizeGÇ¥ in relation to lotteries includes any money, articles or servicesGÇö

(a)whether or not described as a prize, and

(b)whether or not consisting wholly or partly of money paid, or articles or services provided, by the members of the class among whom the prize is allocated.

Actually that depends on the jurisdiction

Some the ability to bet is enough, in the uk it is the ability to bet or get a prize depending on the section.

Everyone realizes that in order for it to be a gambling site, you have to be able to cash out your winnings right?

You wouldn't have done 4 pages of nonsense without knowing that ... RIGHT?

*edit* otherwise all your doing is paying money to play SOMER Blink the gambling game...

You know how many games would fall under that... i cant imagine how many facebook slot games there are... I know i played a facebook poker game where u could buy more chips

You can buy chips for poker. How is that not gambling?

As far as im aware Gibralter holds facebooks licences
And if that breaches its gambling rights it then falls on to the Entertaining Play Limited,
a subsidiary of the Gamesys Group is licensed and regulated in Malta by the Lotteries and Gaming Authority.

So basically Facebook is licenced to hell and back

In the us the term internet gambling is...

"Internet gambling business means GÇ£the business of placing, receiving or otherwise knowingly transmitting a bet or wager by any means which involves the use, at least in part, of the Internet, but does not include the performance of the customary activities of a financial transaction provider, or any interactive computer service or telecommunications service."

Under this insanely broad definition, all of EVE Online is a gambling site , especially exploration. So are British cops gonna come to Texas and gank me the next time I get an escalation from a Sansha Haven? I need to know so i can set out Tea and Crumpets or whatever the hell Brits eat lol.

Nicky Yo does have a point about the kids who get into that gambling. I can see someone getting addicted to the Eve gambling, then it spreading to other forms of gambling in real life. Is it CCPs fault? Dunno, but I think it should be looked into to see if there is something that can help those who might get addicted.

lol.. You see what Frying Doom is doing, or trying to do is apply Laws which are designed for gambling sites using Real Money to virtual items.

In the UK there are no Laws to goven the use of virtual items being used for gamling or for anything because its is incredibly difficult to assign a real life value to a virtual item.

The act that Frying Doom keeps referring to was brought into law to regulate Casinos and Betting Companies as well as other compaines who began to make gambling available on the internet.

It has and continues to has no relevance to MMO's and virtual items.

The other legal issue which Frying Doom also continues to ignore is that whether the user of said virtual item actually owns it.

Most if not all companies make it clear that users only have a licence to the virtual goods and the licence is terminated if they breach those terms.

This means if a user sells a virtual good on the secondary market, the licence terminates and the items becomes worthless.

Additionally, if a user's violation of the terms of service, their account may be terminated.

By having this licence provision, the games company does not need to reimburse the user for any virtual good.

You see this means that if anybody sells any virtual item, lets say Isk, Ships, Mods, BPO's, then the virtual items inherently has no real life value as you have broken the terms and conditions of the EULA and TOS.

This is completely introspective of what you might have paid for it.

This is completely introspective of what you might have paid for it
Blah Blah Blah

you missed the fact that with the winnings you can buy a plex and pay for your game time, which is a real life service.

It's not gambling, you buy a service and you receive Blink credit and then you turn that Blink credit into ISK. Blink credit is worthless except as Blink says. ISK is all owned by CCP.

Your assets are never at risk at all, except as defined in the game as 'your assets'. But you don't have any real life assets at risk.

You say, "But they'll buy more and more GTCs, isn't that risk?"

That's buying too much stuff, not gambling. There is no risk involved at all - they pay and there is no way they get anything out of it. What they get out of it is either Blink credit or owned by CCP.

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