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Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:07:00 - [31] Originally by: R Dan having just read the replies on that link I dont really see why we'd want a review on there! those people are remarkedly narrow minded and childish (especially that one dude who says hes been playing eve for a year and a half). Not worth the trouble tbh. let CCP take it up with them or something. but that threads going to deteroiate into more of a flamewar than it is now we don't call them "narrow minded and childish" anymore. The politically-correct term is "WoW gamer." Gah, come on man; are you trying to get sued? SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
Kifrile Lezrenack	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:23:00 - [32] I'm sure if they gave one of the editors accounts one of these, than the game would surely get a 10/10 :P Kifrile
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:31:00 - [33] Gamespot a crap. It's by far one of the worst gaming sites on the net since the merger. So I don't really care. - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:35:00 - [34] Gamespot originally rated it at 5.something after only playing the tutorial. And I mean pre-exodus tutorial. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 - [35] Originally by: idiot guy on gamespot forums Yawn. I am a current EVE:Online player. A majority of the negatives that Gamespot discussed in their review are still in the game. The 63% rating at the time was well-deserved. The only reason why EVE:Online best MMORPG on www.mmorpg.com was due to the fact that fanboys voted multiple times. WoW and Guildwars are still better then games then EVE:Online.
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 - [36] Originally by: idiot guy on gamespot forums Yawn. I am a current EVE:Online player. A majority of the negatives that Gamespot discussed in their review are still in the game. The 63% rating at the time was well-deserved. The only reason why EVE:Online best MMORPG on www.mmorpg.com was due to the fact that fanboys voted multiple times. WoW and Guildwars are still better then games then EVE:Online.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:49:00 - [37] Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:49:00 - [38] Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:57:00 - [39] Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 09/02/2006 22:57:50 I decided to highlight some of the key points of the article: Quote: Mining is the only viable way to make money early on in EVE, and it's really one of the only viable ways of making money in the game at all. Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs Quote: (to date, about 3,000 to 5,000 people can be found playing on the game's single server at any given time) Well, at least they got something right: Quote: mining is simply boring
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 09/02/2006 22:57:50 I decided to highlight some of the key points of the article: Quote: Mining is the only viable way to make money early on in EVE, and it's really one of the only viable ways of making money in theEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Jonathan Davis Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs You got to be ****ting me ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. Wouldn't you become at least slightly curious if a friend told you about a really great game? Or when browsing a gaming site making sure you didn't miss a great release this month you see a game rated 95%? A review which you happen to come across is an opinion indeed, but sometimes it's also a first impression. And they do matter.
Aaron Sylasta	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:24:00 - [43] Originally by: WizEye Originally by: Jonathan Davis Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs You got to be ****ting me Well I think that might be kinda/sorta true. EVE is less focused solely on combat than, say, WoW (which is focused almost entirely on killing enemies for lewtz to kill more enemies). EVE has other focuses too, Corp. leadership, production, trading, mining, etc. so it might be less focused on combat, but that's a good thing.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:29:00 - [44] I would probably give eve 5-6 in rating so i think their review is fair. Imo opinion pvp is the best part of eve and many of you can agree with me on that. But take a close look at how pvp looks, its basicly squares going boom. If you aren't a fan of pvp we can look at the npc action. Instead of shooting squares you shoot and red crosses that eventually goes boom. Eve got good graphics but you rarely see it because of the squares/crosses etc. So if you do not invest alot of time and money eve don't have much to offer, gamespot is spot on.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:37:00 - [45] Originally by: LUC1FER666 Gamespot suck anyway, so screw them. QFT Few groups suck harder than them. Gamespy is one such group. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
fmercury	Posted - 2006.02.10 00:19:00 - [46] good. too bad they didn't give it a 0.0 i'd rather have EVE be spread through word of mouth and friends of friends than random mouthbreathers from a horrible review site.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.10 00:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq I would probably give eve 5-6 in rating so i think their review is fair. Imo opinion pvp is the best part of eve and many of you can agree with me on that. But take a close look at how pvp looks, its basicly squares going boom. If you aren't a fan of pvp we can look at the npc action. Instead of shooting squares you shoot and red crosses that eventually goes boom. Eve got good graphics but you rarely see it because of the squares/crosses etc. So if you do not invest alot of time and money eve don't have much to offer, gamespot is spot on. A review that says mining is the only profitable thing to do in the game is fair? If WoW is a 9.5, EVE is a 10. If WoW is a 3 (which I think it is), EVE is an 8.5. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:30:00 - [48] Even bloody IGN gave EVE 8.0 :) ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Chiron Typhon	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:54:00 - [49] Why is anyone surprised at this? MMOs are near impossible to review well unless you play them for months. The sheer size and complexity of MMOs in general means the good parts and the bad parts are not easily identifiable at short notice. EVE's problems are mainly front-loaded, ie: the complexity & lack of specified direction for a newbie, it's not until you move deeper in that it starts to shine. WoW's problems are end-loaded, ie: massive queues, messed up BGs and lack of casual end-game. If you played WoW for 3 days starting at release and no further you'd think it was god's gift to gaming as well. The review scene is all about getting out the review fastest with the snappiest pics, not about months of analysis. If a reviewer came back to revisit EVE he'd have to deal with many of the same issues. If he wanted to write what you guys consider a "fair" review he's have to rely almost entirely on long term player feedback rather than anything he himself could play. You'd have to get CCP knock him up a 20mill SP fake character, dump him in a Raven and put him a major fleet engagement on Teamspeak, even then he'd see nothing of the player economy and politics. PS: If you guys think Gamespot is bad you really should read around more, 90% of the review sites on the web are far worse than they are.
Vult	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:07:00 - [50] Originally by: WizEye Edited by: WizEye on 09/02/2006 20:53:24 Gamespot is probably the n.1 games review site in the world. I'd like their review to be fair because it's simply so popular. Obviously someone has never read IGN 8.0. Pwnage. ----- I want my sig h4xx0r3d by Oveur! ...but I'll settle for any mod since Oveur can't h4x like the best of 'em...
Emeline Cabernet	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:26:00 - [51] i only used to read pc gamer uk(not us which is utter rubbish), pc format and pc review. however its been years since i picked up a copy, dont know if they even come out anymore. but there was 1(reviewer) guy in pc gamer uk, or was it format?.... anyway with the name kieron..
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:43:00 - [52] Who cares? I don't see a good review on Gamespot helping EVE in any way. You'll get an influx of subscribers, but from entirely the wrong crowd. People who are used to their hack and grind games will come here expecting the same thing and become an even more vocal group. EVE survived its first year on word of mouth, customer loyalty and potential alone. The moment they fail that potential by catering to people like that is the moment customers stop being loyal, and stop spreading the word of EVE, which means the turnover rate will be as high as WoW Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Budz Fergie	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:50:00 - [53] The reviewer prolly got ganked while mining.
Yossar	Posted - 2006.02.10 05:04:00 - [54] Am I missing something or are you guys complaining about a 2+ year old review?
Namidian	Posted - 2006.02.10 05:20:00 - [55] i think most reviewers review these games like a single player game. they love WoW, because you can play it like a single player game. run missions hunt monsters progress your character like any RPG. if you tried to play EVE like that you'd give it at least that low.. now some sites have done some decent reviews... just depends on the reviewer I guess
David Corbett	Posted - 2006.02.10 06:04:00 - [56] Edited by: David Corbett on 10/02/2006 06:04:08 Well, if they're trying to play a one-player game, they'd be right. EVE would make a monumentally boring single-player game. Thankfully, EVE is not a single-player game, and as such is far superior. Imagine that.
Sharcy	Posted - 2006.02.10 11:05:00 - [57] Thread locked: Originally by: BobC Admin Originally by: BadAshJL EVE's expansions are all free with the subscription, OK stop right there. That's pretty much why we haven't created a new gamespace or checked back in with Eve. These "expansions" are just content updates, much in the same vein that WoW has had free content updates that added PvP Battlegrounds, several new instanced dungeons, etc etc. We didn't review patch 1.6 or 1.9 for WoW because those are free content updates. Likewise, we didn't review free content updates for Eve, in large part because...well...they're free. As far as I know, you don't buy Eve "expansions" in a box in a store or even pay money to get them. They just come automatically. That's not an expansion in the typical sense, and thus, no separate gamespace, and no new review. Our reviews are primarily meant to be used as a guide for people who buy games. In other words, GameSpot reviews are a tool for helping people decide how to spend their gaming dollars. Reviewing something that comes for free...well. I guess it might be useful, but our time is better spent elsewhere. That said, the PC game industry is evolving as we speak. In two or three or four years, there won't be boxed PC games in stores for you to buy. Most everything will be downloaded online and most everything will require a monthly fee to play. Whether you like it or not, the subscription model is here to stay, and it's going to find application in a lot of PC games. The people here who say that the old way of reviewing games doesn't cut it for MMOs are correct, and this is going to be more and more true of all PC games as the years go by. It's very true that the information we have as a review for Eve maybe doesn't reflect how the game is today. Heck, even WoW has changed a lot in less time than Eve's been around. Let's just say we're constantly thinking about ways to address the issue of evolving games so that our information is always up to date and relevant. However, we can't afford to just pay an editor to sit there and play nothing but Eve (or any other single game) for years and years and years and pop out periodic updates on the game. But we'll think of something... Thanks and I'm shutting this thread down before it gets uglier. While he goes on to admit his own flaw in his reasoning, his argument that content updates aren't "expansions" is just plain bull**. What you mean you don't buy the expansions in a box? Sure you do! When you buy or D/L the game today, you get the original PLUS all the expansions, and hence, pay for it. It doesn't make sense to keep a review on their site for a game that's not around anymore. It would if THAT game could still be played (say, the original C&C or even Galaga), but with a game like EVE, you can't... so what the point of keeping the old review? The very LEAST they could do would be to put a line under the review, bolded, stating that "This review is out of date and since then, EVE has evolved. Our original score does not reflect the game as it is today". -- Sonnema is recruiting!**
Chewan Mesa	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:36:00 - [58] Ya know, if there are people who 100% reply on such a review, not bother to actually test a game themselves, who the **** cares? Seriously, we have 100k subscribers, full servers and I have a great experience, once the lag is gone again :) I dont give a lot if some niblets dont buy EVE cause of a sucky review. Those people, hardcore players, and mature people make EVE what it is, kicking arse...
Vincent Rainbow	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:40:00 - [59] lol, they got all ****** off and locked the thread haha
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:04:00 - [60] I think the forum probably drives away many people starting Eve. A simple question posed by a new character is generally met with 3 pages of flaming from people evidently no older than 14. The only publication I would ever trust with reviews is PC Gamer (UK).

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