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Grim Re4per	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:44:00 - [1] EVE brothers, GameSpy rated EVE originally with a 6.6 score in 2003, and has NEVER since updated their review. Unlike for every other MMOPRG out there, it has also never reviewed a single EVE expansion, never giving the game a second chance. Please help me fight for equal rights for our game in this post: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24303153&page=1 There are some underground politics going on out there in GameSpot, and I'd like to see EVE treated like any other MMORPG, instead of being hideously undermined.
Grim Re4per	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:44:00 - [2] EVE brothers, GameSpy rated EVE originally with a 6.6 score in 2003, and has NEVER since updated their review. Unlike for every other MMOPRG out there, it has also never reviewed a single EVE expansion, never giving the game a second chance. Please help me fight for equal rights for our game in this post: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24303153&page=1 There are some underground politics going on out there in GameSpot, and I'd like to see EVE treated like any other MMORPG, instead of being hideously undermined.
LUC1FER666	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:50:00 - [3] Gamespot suck anyway, so screw them.
LUC1FER666	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:50:00 - [4] Gamespot suck anyway, so screw them.
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:52:00 - [5] meh... who gives a **** about what game reviewers say... they rate the crappiest buggiest games i have ever seen with 9's and 10's an do very good games away with a 6 because of some minor issues, or because the graphics aren't up to par with the very latest need-$4000-pc-to-run-half-decent shiny graphics just to name a few.... i only thrust my own judgement and that of ppl i know who have roughly the same taste. same goes for movies
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:52:00 - [6] meh... who gives a **** about what game reviewers say... they rate the crappiest buggiest games i have ever seen with 9's and 10's an do very good games away with a 6 because of some minor issues, or because the graphics aren't up to par with the very latest need-$4000-pc-to-run-half-decent shiny graphics just to name a few.... i only thrust my own judgement and that of ppl i know who have roughly the same taste. same goes for movies
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:53:00 - [7] Edited by: WizEye on 09/02/2006 20:53:24 Gamespot is probably the n.1 games review site in the world. I'd like their review to be fair because it's simply so popular. ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:53:00 - [8] Edited by: WizEye on 09/02/2006 20:53:24 GamesEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:57:00 - [9] The people at gamespot are complete numbtys, and all they think about is WoW. They don't look twice at a game unless a large corporation chucks money at them for doing so. -------------------------------------------------- LOSE CHUCK
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 20:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Dimitri Chandler The people at gamespot are complete numbtys, and all they think about is WoW. They don't look twice at a game unless a large corporation chucks money at them for doing so. That's exactly what's going on I believe. I imagine they got a lot of isk for giving that piece of crap 9.5 ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Soulita	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Soulita on 09/02/2006 21:02:36 Originally by: WizEye Edited by: WizEye on 09/02/2006 20:53:24 Gamespot is probably the n.1 games review site in the world. I'd like their review to be fair because it's simply so popular. If Gamespot rated EvE at 6 (I guess thats midrange on their scale) then they are obviously complete nOObs (and not the n.1 games review site - lol) and i cant be bothered to visit their site. Edit: The no1 site for mmorpgs has always been mmorpg.com (Even before EvE won so many rewards there ;)
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Soulita (and not the n.1 games review site - lol) I meant in terms of popularity, not quality (not after this at least lol) ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
hai ryuken	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:05:00 - [13] They are a CNET brand, which I believe Sony and Lucasfilm are major shareholders of. This would explain high rankings for SWG and WoW I would imagine.
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:05:00 - [14] Well, since so many people try Eve, find it difficult to learn and then have veteran players tell them this game "isn't for them and they should go somewhere else", maybe the rating is appropriate for a general audience. Eve is great for a certain kind of player, but lacks the kind of universal appeal that earns high ratings...which is one reason why most of you love the game, right? ------------------------------------------------------------------- One noob. One corp. One complete waste of 1.6 million isk.
Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:05:00 - [15] Originally by: LUC1FER666 Gamespot suck anyway, so screw them. QFT.
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:07:00 - [16] Originally by: hai ryuken They are a CNET brand, which I believe Sony and Lucasfilm are major shareholders of. This would explain high rankings for SWG and WoW I would imagine. actually I think both SWG and EQ2 which are SOE products blew big time on GS ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 09/02/2006 21:09:58 CCP don't pay them. They don't run articles. This is not an isolated incident that Dan Hsu covered. --- God-King of Genitalia
hai ryuken	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:10:00 - [18] Originally by: WizEye Originally by: hai ryuken They are a CNET brand, which I believe Sony and Lucasfilm are major shareholders of. This would explain high rankings for SWG and WoW I would imagine. actually I think both SWG and EQ2 which are SOE products blew big time on GS Maybe right actually, depends if 7.5 is classed as a decent score or not. Better than eve got anyway.
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:26:00 - [19] was wondering what CCP thinks about it. ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:29:00 - [20] don't get it fixed till we have the new servers. please sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:30:00 - [21] Originally by: HippoKing don't get it fixed till we have the new servers. please lol, good call :) ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:33:00 - [22] chocoKat should be hunted and destroyed.
Abavus Durden	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:33:00 - [23] Hasn't gamespot already done a re-review? I seem to remember a major game site (which I think to be gamespot) that had a numby do a superficial review and give it a bad score, then was forced to do a re-review after public outcry. Granted, this was ~3 years ago now, but wanted to bring it up in case their response is "Eh, we already re-reviewed it, go away." -- Pukin' Dogs Recruiting
Alexis DeTocqueville	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:36:00 - [24] Hey guys, somebody disparaged our <sacred cow>, lets go <malicious action> them until they freaking apologize! I'm suddenly reminded of angry muslims railing against Denmark for something so incredibly trite...
Ominus Decre	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:38:00 - [25] CNET Networks, Inc 235 Second Street San Francisco CA 94105 US Domain Name: gamespot.com http://asia.cnet.com/services/aboutus/profile/ About CNET Networks, Inc. CNET Networks, Inc. (www.cnetnetworks.com) is a premier global interactive content company that informs, entertains, and connects large, engaged audiences with content in the personal technology, games and entertainment, and business technology categories. By combining an in-depth knowledge of the technology industry with the power of technology itself, the company offers the most dynamic, relevant, and innovative media-based marketplace for technology around the world. With a strong presence in the US, Asia and Europe, CNET Networks has operations in 12 countries. *here's the candy folks! http://www.cnetnetworks.com/aboutus/leadership/vince_broady.html [email protected] 1-415-344-2218 ôHe holds a B.A. in religious studies from Brown University.ö Good read: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PJQ/is_6_1/ai_110307460 ôAccording to GameSpot's new Trax tool for monitoring Web-based interest in game titles and their competitors, SW:G garnered 1.63 million online information requests among the venues Trax monitors, more than ten times its nearest competitor, Simon and Schuster Interactive's EVE.ö Ok, if anyone wants gamespot to review EVE in it's current state they need to address these issues directly to Vince Brody. He over see's all activities from the "click based add gaming site" and there's little options availble to get action from an alledged gaming site. They provide reviews based upon revenue generating clicks!!!
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Quanteeri chocoKat should be hunted and destroyed. dude, let's find out who this douchebag is in game and make him suffer till he quits lol ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Idara	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Abavus Durden Hasn't gamespot already done a re-review? I seem to remember a major game site (which I think to be gamespot) that had a numby do a superficial review and give it a bad score, then was forced to do a re-review after public outcry. Granted, this was ~3 years ago now, but wanted to bring it up in case their response is "Eh, we already re-reviewed it, go away." There was a multiplayer game called "Savage" that GS "reviewed", but spending like maybe 5 hours with the game, and the developer noted this and told Gamespot that the reviewer spent no time with the game. GS then did a re-review. They haven't done **** for EVE, 6.6 score for a game that has gone through more changes than anything, including 3 major expansions. Idiots. -------------------------------------------------------- Lieutenant BSC Military
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:42:00 - [28] Edited by: Kurren on 09/02/2006 21:43:46 Originally by: Montague Zooma Well, since so many people try Eve, find it difficult to learn and then have veteran players tell them this game "isn't for them and they should go somewhere else", maybe the rating is appropriate for a general audience. That... and Eve doesn't have a /dance WHAT KIND OF STTY GAME DOESN'T HAVE A /DANCE?! As for Gamespot being the number 1 reviewer of anything... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!eleven!!shift+one! I never waist my time with the "professional" reviews of anything. The ONLY real way to find out how a game is is to play it yourself. That "professional" is giving HIS opinion on how the game catered to HIS play-style. YOUR play-style might be completely different from his, and it most likely is. Professionals are only professionals because people believe them. That, and Eve is DEFENITELY not for everybody. Only people who want the "special something" from a game play Eve. The rest go level up their 16th character in WoW. edit=i don't even know TBH SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-**
George Soros	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:44:00 - [29] Bad reviews are good for lag. ------
R Dan	Posted - 2006.02.09 21:55:00 - [30] having just read the replies on that link I dont really see why we'd want a review on there! those people are remarkedly narrow minded and childish (especially that one dude who says hes been playing eve for a year and a half). Not worth the trouble tbh. let CCP take it up with them or something. but that threads going to deteroiate into more of a flamewar than it is now I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:07:00 - [31] Originally by: R Dan having just read the replies on that link I dont really see why we'd want a review on there! those people are remarkedly narrow minded and childish (especially that one dude who says hes been playing eve for a year and a half). Not worth the trouble tbh. let CCP take it up with them or something. but that threads going to deteroiate into more of a flamewar than it is now we don't call them "narrow minded and childish" anymore. The politically-correct term is "WoW gamer." Gah, come on man; are you trying to get sued? SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
Kifrile Lezrenack	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:23:00 - [32] I'm sure if they gave one of the editors accounts one of these, than the game would surely get a 10/10 :P Kifrile
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:31:00 - [33] Gamespot a crap. It's by far one of the worst gaming sites on the net since the merger. So I don't really care. - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:35:00 - [34] Gamespot originally rated it at 5.something after only playing the tutorial. And I mean pre-exodus tutorial. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 - [35] Originally by: idiot guy on gamespot forums Yawn. I am a current EVE:Online player. A majority of the negatives that Gamespot discussed in their review are still in the game. The 63% rating at the time was well-deserved. The only reason why EVE:Online best MMORPG on www.mmorpg.com was due to the fact that fanboys voted multiple times. WoW and Guildwars are still better then games then EVE:Online.
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 - [36] Originally by: idiot guy on gamespot forums Yawn. I am a current EVE:Online player. A majority of the negatives that Gamespot discussed in their review are still in the game. The 63% rating at the time was well-deserved. The only reason why EVE:Online best MMORPG on www.mmorpg.com was due to the fact that fanboys voted multiple times. WoW and Guildwars are still better then games then EVE:Online.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:49:00 - [37] Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:49:00 - [38] Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:57:00 - [39] Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 09/02/2006 22:57:50 I decided to highlight some of the key points of the article: Quote: Mining is the only viable way to make money early on in EVE, and it's really one of the only viable ways of making money in the game at all. Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs Quote: (to date, about 3,000 to 5,000 people can be found playing on the game's single server at any given time) Well, at least they got something right: Quote: mining is simply boring
Jonathan Davis	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 09/02/2006 22:57:50 I decided to highlight some of the key points of the article: Quote: Mining is the only viable way to make money early on in EVE, and it's really one of the only viable ways of making money in theEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Jonathan Davis Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs You got to be ****ting me ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Why care? Reviews are nothing more then personal opionions of whoever reviews them, anyone who cares about them is a sheep and sheep dont last long in eve anyway, theyre better of in wow. Wouldn't you become at least slightly curious if a friend told you about a really great game? Or when browsing a gaming site making sure you didn't miss a great release this month you see a game rated 95%? A review which you happen to come across is an opinion indeed, but sometimes it's also a first impression. And they do matter.
Aaron Sylasta	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:24:00 - [43] Originally by: WizEye Originally by: Jonathan Davis Quote: EVE is much less focused on combat and dangerous encounters than other online RPGs You got to be ****ting me Well I think that might be kinda/sorta true. EVE is less focused solely on combat than, say, WoW (which is focused almost entirely on killing enemies for lewtz to kill more enemies). EVE has other focuses too, Corp. leadership, production, trading, mining, etc. so it might be less focused on combat, but that's a good thing.
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:29:00 - [44] I would probably give eve 5-6 in rating so i think their review is fair. Imo opinion pvp is the best part of eve and many of you can agree with me on that. But take a close look at how pvp looks, its basicly squares going boom. If you aren't a fan of pvp we can look at the npc action. Instead of shooting squares you shoot and red crosses that eventually goes boom. Eve got good graphics but you rarely see it because of the squares/crosses etc. So if you do not invest alot of time and money eve don't have much to offer, gamespot is spot on.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:37:00 - [45] Originally by: LUC1FER666 Gamespot suck anyway, so screw them. QFT Few groups suck harder than them. Gamespy is one such group. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
fmercury	Posted - 2006.02.10 00:19:00 - [46] good. too bad they didn't give it a 0.0 i'd rather have EVE be spread through word of mouth and friends of friends than random mouthbreathers from a horrible review site.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.10 00:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq I would probably give eve 5-6 in rating so i think their review is fair. Imo opinion pvp is the best part of eve and many of you can agree with me on that. But take a close look at how pvp looks, its basicly squares going boom. If you aren't a fan of pvp we can look at the npc action. Instead of shooting squares you shoot and red crosses that eventually goes boom. Eve got good graphics but you rarely see it because of the squares/crosses etc. So if you do not invest alot of time and money eve don't have much to offer, gamespot is spot on. A review that says mining is the only profitable thing to do in the game is fair? If WoW is a 9.5, EVE is a 10. If WoW is a 3 (which I think it is), EVE is an 8.5. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:30:00 - [48] Even bloody IGN gave EVE 8.0 :) ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Chiron Typhon	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:54:00 - [49] Why is anyone surprised at this? MMOs are near impossible to review well unless you play them for months. The sheer size and complexity of MMOs in general means the good parts and the bad parts are not easily identifiable at short notice. EVE's problems are mainly front-loaded, ie: the complexity & lack of specified direction for a newbie, it's not until you move deeper in that it starts to shine. WoW's problems are end-loaded, ie: massive queues, messed up BGs and lack of casual end-game. If you played WoW for 3 days starting at release and no further you'd think it was god's gift to gaming as well. The review scene is all about getting out the review fastest with the snappiest pics, not about months of analysis. If a reviewer came back to revisit EVE he'd have to deal with many of the same issues. If he wanted to write what you guys consider a "fair" review he's have to rely almost entirely on long term player feedback rather than anything he himself could play. You'd have to get CCP knock him up a 20mill SP fake character, dump him in a Raven and put him a major fleet engagement on Teamspeak, even then he'd see nothing of the player economy and politics. PS: If you guys think Gamespot is bad you really should read around more, 90% of the review sites on the web are far worse than they are.
Vult	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:07:00 - [50] Originally by: WizEye Edited by: WizEye on 09/02/2006 20:53:24 Gamespot is probably the n.1 games review site in the world. I'd like their review to be fair because it's simply so popular. Obviously someone has never read IGN 8.0. Pwnage. ----- I want my sig h4xx0r3d by Oveur! ...but I'll settle for any mod since Oveur can't h4x like the best of 'em...
Emeline Cabernet	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:26:00 - [51] i only used to read pc gamer uk(not us which is utter rubbish), pc format and pc review. however its been years since i picked up a copy, dont know if they even come out anymore. but there was 1(reviewer) guy in pc gamer uk, or was it format?.... anyway with the name kieron..
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:43:00 - [52] Who cares? I don't see a good review on Gamespot helping EVE in any way. You'll get an influx of subscribers, but from entirely the wrong crowd. People who are used to their hack and grind games will come here expecting the same thing and become an even more vocal group. EVE survived its first year on word of mouth, customer loyalty and potential alone. The moment they fail that potential by catering to people like that is the moment customers stop being loyal, and stop spreading the word of EVE, which means the turnover rate will be as high as WoW Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Budz Fergie	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:50:00 - [53] The reviewer prolly got ganked while mining.
Yossar	Posted - 2006.02.10 05:04:00 - [54] Am I missing something or are you guys complaining about a 2+ year old review?
Namidian	Posted - 2006.02.10 05:20:00 - [55] i think most reviewers review these games like a single player game. they love WoW, because you can play it like a single player game. run missions hunt monsters progress your character like any RPG. if you tried to play EVE like that you'd give it at least that low.. now some sites have done some decent reviews... just depends on the reviewer I guess
David Corbett	Posted - 2006.02.10 06:04:00 - [56] Edited by: David Corbett on 10/02/2006 06:04:08 Well, if they're trying to play a one-player game, they'd be right. EVE would make a monumentally boring single-player game. Thankfully, EVE is not a single-player game, and as such is far superior. Imagine that.
Sharcy	Posted - 2006.02.10 11:05:00 - [57] Thread locked: Originally by: BobC Admin Originally by: BadAshJL EVE's expansions are all free with the subscription, OK stop right there. That's pretty much why we haven't created a new gamespace or checked back in with Eve. These "expansions" are just content updates, much in the same vein that WoW has had free content updates that added PvP Battlegrounds, several new instanced dungeons, etc etc. We didn't review patch 1.6 or 1.9 for WoW because those are free content updates. Likewise, we didn't review free content updates for Eve, in large part because...well...they're free. As far as I know, you don't buy Eve "expansions" in a box in a store or even pay money to get them. They just come automatically. That's not an expansion in the typical sense, and thus, no separate gamespace, and no new review. Our reviews are primarily meant to be used as a guide for people who buy games. In other words, GameSpot reviews are a tool for helping people decide how to spend their gaming dollars. Reviewing something that comes for free...well. I guess it might be useful, but our time is better spent elsewhere. That said, the PC game industry is evolving as we speak. In two or three or four years, there won't be boxed PC games in stores for you to buy. Most everything will be downloaded online and most everything will require a monthly fee to play. Whether you like it or not, the subscription model is here to stay, and it's going to find application in a lot of PC games. The people here who say that the old way of reviewing games doesn't cut it for MMOs are correct, and this is going to be more and more true of all PC games as the years go by. It's very true that the information we have as a review for Eve maybe doesn't reflect how the game is today. Heck, even WoW has changed a lot in less time than Eve's been around. Let's just say we're constantly thinking about ways to address the issue of evolving games so that our information is always up to date and relevant. However, we can't afford to just pay an editor to sit there and play nothing but Eve (or any other single game) for years and years and years and pop out periodic updates on the game. But we'll think of something... Thanks and I'm shutting this thread down before it gets uglier. While he goes on to admit his own flaw in his reasoning, his argument that content updates aren't "expansions" is just plain bull**. What you mean you don't buy the expansions in a box? Sure you do! When you buy or D/L the game today, you get the original PLUS all the expansions, and hence, pay for it. It doesn't make sense to keep a review on their site for a game that's not around anymore. It would if THAT game could still be played (say, the original C&C or even Galaga), but with a game like EVE, you can't... so what the point of keeping the old review? The very LEAST they could do would be to put a line under the review, bolded, stating that "This review is out of date and since then, EVE has evolved. Our original score does not reflect the game as it is today". -- Sonnema is recruiting!**
Chewan Mesa	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:36:00 - [58] Ya know, if there are people who 100% reply on such a review, not bother to actually test a game themselves, who the **** cares? Seriously, we have 100k subscribers, full servers and I have a great experience, once the lag is gone again :) I dont give a lot if some niblets dont buy EVE cause of a sucky review. Those people, hardcore players, and mature people make EVE what it is, kicking arse...
Vincent Rainbow	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:40:00 - [59] lol, they got all ****** off and locked the thread haha
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:04:00 - [60] I think the forum probably drives away many people starting Eve. A simple question posed by a new character is generally met with 3 pages of flaming from people evidently no older than 14. The only publication I would ever trust with reviews is PC Gamer (UK).
Darwin	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:08:00 - [61] US PC gamer has given Eve a Bad review when alsmost ever other review has been good. I dont think they played the game for over 10 min reading the article
Jamius	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:09:00 - [62] 6.6 is a bit lower than it deserves but not by as much as many seem to think. In many respects Eve is a 10/10 and in many it is 2/10. Overall I'd give it 7/10. It promises a 10 but only delivers a 7. So close to utter greatness but has glaring flaws that will probably never be fixed. In fact I would have given Eve a better rating after 2 weeks play than I would now. It's a victim of promising too much and not being able to deliver it properly. But total kudos to trying - it will always stand out as an utterly unique gaming experience I think. I only still play due to the time I have invested in it. I still love it but if I knew at the start what I know now I would not have kept playing and would have played WoW and many other games instead. I see Eve as a beautifull but dirty woman that treats me bad and I just cannot bring myself to leave them cos when it's good to me, god damn it's good to me. But it's a 7/10 and WoW and other games are damn good games too. Too many Eve players sound just a bit Elitist in their attitude to other games. We have something special here, but not necessarily better than the competition. In fact Eve has no direct competition.
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:18:00 - [63] At the time of that review a 6 was probably a fair score imo. A revisit today would probably get a better score. However I think trying to create a petition for a revisit is a bit neurotic. Trusting a single review of anything is never wise. You should always seek a 2nd or 3rd opinion at least. ^thinks of children, dunno with who -eris
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.10 16:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Chiron Typhon Why is anyone surprised at this? MMOs are near impossible to review well unless you play them for months. The sheer size and complexity of MMOs in general means the good parts and the bad parts are not easily identifiable at short notice. EVE's problems are mainly front-loaded, ie: the complexity & lack of specified direction for a newbie, it's not until you move deeper in that it starts to shine. WoW's problems are end-loaded, ie: massive queues, messed up BGs and lack of casual end-game. If you played WoW for 3 days starting at release and no further you'd think it was god's gift to gaming as well. The review scene is all about getting out the review fastest with the snappiest pics, not about months of analysis. If a reviewer came back to revisit EVE he'd have to deal with many of the same issues. If he wanted to write what you guys consider a "fair" review he's have to rely almost entirely on long term player feedback rather than anything he himself could play. You'd have to get CCP knock him up a 20mill SP fake character, dump him in a Raven and put him a major fleet engagement on Teamspeak, even then he'd see nothing of the player economy and politics. PS: If you guys think Gamespot is bad you really should read around more, 90% of the review sites on the web are far worse than they are. In short, they rated Eve so low because it isn't easy, and it din't tell them what to do. SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.10 16:33:00 - [65] Originally by: welsh wizard I think the forum probably drives away many people starting Eve. A simple question posed by a new character is generally met with 3 pages of flaming from people evidently no older than 14. The only publication I would ever trust with reviews is PC Gamer (UK). IT'S A MOLE!!! SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
Blind Fear	Posted - 2006.02.10 16:42:00 - [66] Does anyone actually care what a ****ty site like GameSpot thinks about anything? The only reason that EVE has a bad review there is because CCP didnt waste money to buy a good one. ------------------------------------------------ Derailing threads with logic since 1992
Pugilist UANG	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:33:00 - [67] On the other hand gamming communites appear to enjoy and promote EVE. http://www.upallnightgaming.com/forums/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=84 ------------------------------------------ Annoying the world, one person at a time (Group discounts available)
Blind Fear	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:44:00 - [68] Edited by: Blind Fear on 10/02/2006 17:44:13 Quote: OK stop right there. That's pretty much why we haven't created a new gamespace or checked back in with Eve. These "expansions" are just content updates, much in the same vein that WoW has had free content updates that added PvP Battlegrounds, several new instanced dungeons, etc etc. We didn't review patch 1.6 or 1.9 for WoW because those are free content updates. Likewise, we didn't review free content updates for Eve, in large part because...well...they're free. As far as I know, you don't buy Eve "expansions" in a box in a store or even pay money to get them. They just come automatically. That's not an expansion in the typical sense, and thus, no separate gamespace, and no new review. Translation: Quote: Listen, EVE doesnt have expansions. If you did, youd be advertising them with us, and I'd have a crisp roll of hundreds on my desk right now. But you dont advertise with us, so your expansions are content patches while MMOGs that advertise with us have content patches labeled as expansions. In case you dont get it, we're little more then prostitutes, so if you want a good review, you need to show us the money. If CCP were to start advertising with us, I garuntee that we'd have a review that bordered on fellatio posted and ready to go by tomorrow night. ------------------------------------------------ Derailing threads with logic since 1992
Kurren	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Blind Fear Edited by: Blind Fear on 10/02/2006 17:44:13 Quote: OK stop right there. That's pretty much why we haven't created a new gamespace or checked back in with Eve. These "expansions" are just content updates, much in the same vein that WoW has had free content updates that added PvP Battlegrounds, several new instanced dungeons, etc etc. We didn't review patch 1.6 or 1.9 for WoW because those are free content updates. Likewise, we didn't review free content updates for Eve, in large part because...well...they're free. As far as I know, you don't buy Eve "expansions" in a box in a store or even pay money to get them. They just come automatically. That's not an expansion in the typical sense, and thus, no separate gamespace, and no new review. Translation: Quote: Listen, EVE doesnt have expansions. If you did, youd be advertising them with us, and I'd have a crisp roll of hundreds on my desk right now. But you dont advertise with us, so your expansions are content patches while MMOGs that advertise with us have content patches labeled as expansions. In case you dont get it, we're little more then prostitutes, so if you want a good review, you need to show us the money. If CCP were to start advertising with us, I garuntee that we'd have a review that bordered on fellatio posted and ready to go by tomorrow night. SobaKai.com -Devs, please don't destroy my ENTIRE signature next time!-
Grandeur	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:53:00 - [70] I stopped paying attention to GameSpot ages ago for many of the reasons listed in this thread. It is unfortunate though - and annoyed me greatly - when I gave out an EvE pass to a coworker. First thing he did before checking his mail for it was check the score on GameSpot. He deduced, "Man, this game isn't very good. Gamespot bashed it." I was annoyed to the point that I haven't tried to suggest new games to him. Meh, can't help those who don't want to be helped.
Kalindra naskan	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Sharcy The very LEAST they could do would be to put a line under the review, bolded, stating that "This review is out of date and since then, EVE has evolved. Our original score does not reflect the game as it is today". I actually sent a note to BobC asking if it could be added. His responce was that the time of post of the review was availible at the end. I don't think it would be so hard to add a more noticable pointer to that the game might have gotten better since the review. --- This sig is rated "N" for Nonexistent It's nonexistent btw - Cortes Ok I fixed it, now what?
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.02.10 18:00:00 - [72] When my EVE account expired I played WoW for 2 weeks. At the end of those two weeks it took 15 guys in white coats to keep me from slitting my wrists. I played a Tauran Warrior to start. Graphics were real nice and I had some fun. Next day... Scoundrelus - "Hmm lets log on and play some WoW" select login WoW - "Server is full, wait in queue noob, PWNED" WoW - "You are in 29th position" Scoundrelus - "29 aint so bad, should be a few minutes, ill go grab something to eat while I move up in queue" 5 minutes later WoW - "You are in 254th position" Scoundrelus - "WTF?! oh well ill just login to another server" creates character on other server and has some fun with him Next day... Scoundrelus - "I think ill play around on that new character I made" WoW - "315th position now noob! haha!" Scoundrelus - "omg ill go to my original!" WoW - "100th position! blocked biatch!" uninstall **** you WoW.
Ajax Thanatos	Posted - 2006.02.10 18:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Uther Doull or because the graphics aren't up to par with the very latest need-$4000-pc-to-run-half-decent shiny graphics just to name a few.... You'd be surprised how attractive shiny things are to idiots.
Zachios Primos	Posted - 2006.02.10 18:32:00 - [74] i'm about to go reopen that thread and just rip that guy a new a$$hole...besides would be hysterical to curse out a mod...(<--i would never do this to a ccp mod of course ) actually...gamestop forums...here i come! __________________________________ Botox Bandits - Got shot? __________________________________
Feyd Darkholme	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:17:00 - [75] Man, the people on Gamespot have some funny ideas about the gaming industry. Apparently the only game companies whose games are worth giving a second look to are ones that can throw 12 billion dollars into a game. Actually sad to say but most gamers think that way nowadays. Not reviewing an MMOG after the initial review? Change is the nature of the beast with MMOGs, and I'm sorry, but no MMOG is perfect upon release and never changes for the better. MMOGs aren't fire-and-forget games like console games or the Sims. They evolve and grow over years, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Gamespot thinks it has a responsibility to it's customers to make fair reviews? Well then if an MMOG has changed from it's original review, for good or bad, then isn't it their responsibility to their customers to re-review so they are aware of the change? I guess only when they get paid to... I know that pandering to the lowest common denominator is the status quo for most gaming companies these days, but come on, doesn't it make you feel dirty? I guess not when you're paid... ---------------
Vincent Rainbow	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:19:00 - [76] time to invade the gamespot forums and post subtle messages in every thread how good eve is perhaps?
Lady Serentis	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:24:00 - [77] who gives a flying monkey **** what review they gave this game, what they think of this game or what agenda they have. EvE is growing EvE is WTFPWNING most other MMO's out there - proved by the awards its getting To be totally honest I dont really want EvE to get that big cos if it does I fear that we will lose touch with the Devs - simply because they will be so busy trying to cater to everyone. We've got a great game here. lets not spoil it by letting the muppets in. (please note that I know we already do have muppets, but they're OUR muppets.)
Mtthias Clemi	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:33:00 - [78] Gamespot sucks, we all know it, that isnt to say that all reviewers are idiots, i choose where i find out about games carefully and i trust those sources. The best selling PC games magazine in Britain (PC Gamer WOOOOT!! yarrr) Gave it a score of 90% and RMR of 88% despite the fact that this is a lower score than WoW they do say that they prefer EVE themselves, for the most part they are just thinking about what is best for the majority of people (who are idiots if i go by Britains population)And they ahve said that they belive that EVE is more awe insipring much more interesting in the long run and is likely to out last any other MMORPG out at the moment after doing a direct comparrison with WOW. I think the only solution is to ignore it, the sort of people who even care wha gamespot thinks are not the sort of people i would like to see playing EVE. That or take over the world and force everyone to play it, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Name: Matthias Clemi Profession: Megalomaniac Aim: Build "Death Star" or similar Secondary Aim: Perfect the evil laugh Tertiary Aim: Dont get assasinated
Feyd Darkholme	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:38:00 - [79] Edited by: Feyd Darkholme on 10/02/2006 19:46:37 ... And the topic is now locked, so Gamespot gets the last word... of course. Their logic is flawed and they know it. Yet another reason to question the legitimacy of their reviews. A game/expansion isn't worth reviewing unless it's boxed up, marketed and costs money? What kind of effed up logic is that? Anyone with half a brain knows that's corporate-minded BS. Read: 'We only review games we get paid to review'. Actually I don't put much stock in reviewers of any sort, I like to gauge whether I want to spend my money and time on something through my own experience, not some random persons opinion. Especially when they have their own personal bias (which every reviewer has, no matter what they might tell the public). The unfortunate thing is that most gamers will look at it and take it as gospel and never give Eve a second look... But then do we really want mindless sheep like that playing Eve anyways? Probably not... OK and the community there are a bunch of brainless noobs... why do I know this? Because the majority of them think that Deus Ex 2 was way better than Deus Ex 1. That's just rediculous and blasphemy. ---------------
Minsc	Posted - 2006.02.10 21:45:00 - [80] my direct PM reply to the Mod that closed the thread. So the fact that CCP chooses to give it's subscribers a better value for their monthly subscriptions means they get the shaft when they release an expansion. By your own admission if an update is free then it's not an expansion but a simple content update, so if blizzard decided to be nice (yeah right) and allow all thier subscribers to get the burning crusade update for free then you wouldn't be reviewing it? I have a hard time believing that. I'm sure GS would be falling over themselves to review it either way. Also, saying that the expansions are mandatory is also a weak argument considering anyone who wants to get into one of the other established mmo's is going to get all the expansions packaged in with the original game for the same price as you would normally pay for the game alone (EQ: Titanium Edition, DAOC: Epic Edition, SWG Starter Kit, etc) and the original vanilla version of the game is generally not available anymore, so all expansions become mandatory at some point. I'd think you'd be giving CCP kudos for giving thier customers a better value for their dollar since their expansions are free from the start. Have you looked on the CCP website to see what has been included in these expansions. By your attitude it doesn't seem you have. In many cases their free updates dwarf the pay ones of other games significantly and often change the gameplay radically. You state that your reviews are meant to be used as a guide for people who buy games, but how do you expect them to get accurate information, specifically about MMO's, when the information you provide is 3 years out of date. CCP puts out 1 major expansion a year and several small ones. That's about the same as the majority of other MMO's on the market, yet you can't find the time to have someone review them because CCP releases the expansions for free instead of boxing them up, putting them up on store shelves and charging another $30 for them. MMO's as a genre are constantly evolving and are constantly bringing in new players, those players deserve to have up-to-date information on the current state of the game instead of 3 year old information. If I can't count on gamespot for that as a consumer, then why the hell would I even bother coming to this site for, let alone paying a yearly subscription fee. Having someone review the latest EVE expansion wouldn't take any more effort than any of the other MMO expansions and you know it. As I said they have at most 1 major expansion a year, same as other MMO's, and the review process would work just the same as for other MMO expansions. If other, smaller publications can find the time to provide a review of the expansions, I find it laughable that a larger one such as gamespot can't. we'll see what he says
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.02.10 22:37:00 - [81] ah pretty mch the only mags I trusted were PC gamer and PC format (UK). Basicly I can remember a couple of reviews that ended in "don't bother buying this", Including one of the elite games when it first came out. Yeah it was elite 2 when it first came out (returned it for bwing expansion of xwing if I remember correctly). Although I don't buy any mags anymore but Istill hear good things about PC gamer. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.02.10 22:50:00 - [82] why would the site write aboud a 100K subsciption game, if they can write aboud a 6 mil subsciption game, they just want as many peepz on theyr site doing that by writing aboud games evrybody plays. if u want to come to the big boys u gotta be big.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.02.10 22:52:00 - [83] OMG somebody doesn't like EVE!? They must obviously be stupid, biased, money-whoring ***-monkeys!!! I have no capability whatsoever to accept disagreement in my life, and I feel the need to whine to people who I know will agree with me beforehand (my posting on EVE's own damn forum) so that I can again feel secure in my ignorance and closed, tiny little mind. Oh wait, I was being accidentaly sarcastic. What I meant to say was BUHU2U*. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...*
Fillmeup	Posted - 2006.02.10 23:00:00 - [84] To be honest, I find Gamespot insultingly indaequate for a 'pay-for-premium-content" online publication. After reading many forums where an admin has had input, I have come to the conclusion that these admins are arrogant and indefensibly naieve. The sorts of people that will maintain an argument regardless of how ridiculous their point has evolved to. As a result, I have effectively ignored Gamespot for ages. If many other publications find value in Eve, and Gamespot doesn't see the necessity to review a game based on it's current, and not starting, state of play, then they don't deserve our patronage. I mean, Eve isn't that important, it's only the largest single player environment that exists for MMORPG's. It only win's awards hand-over foot, and more importantly doesn't seem to pay-per-review. An ex-flatmate of mine who used to play Earth and Beyond with me tried Eve back ofter Beta and thought it was crap. He just decided the other day to jump on and give it another go (due to the lack of other quality games out there - go 14-day trial!!!), and came to the conclusion that it is a vastly different game and is now hooked. Games (and people) evolve, and it's unfortunately the gamespot community that misses out. That being said, perhaps if one of the Eve Dev's threw them a free Eve-online mug or poster, their attitude may change
Minodus	Posted - 2006.02.10 23:25:00 - [85] Originally by: Grim Re4per GameSpy rated EVE ... The mmorpg community as a whole is represented best on mmorpg.com. Anyone who has a serious interest in subscription games just has to type "mmorpg" and push ctrl+Enter :P Gamespy is a pile of poo & I avoid it in general as you cant travel 2 pages without being asked to pay or being redirected to the fileplanet page where youre asked to pay :P
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.02.11 00:37:00 - [86] I've never once paid attention to a GS, 1up, etc etc etc review. Especially ONLINE. Being a serious forum... warrior, I learned years ago to dismiss 3/4 of articles on the net, unless it's from BBC, CNN, MSNBC (even then I'm iffy), or something like SlashDot (Again, iffy) For my reviews, which I naturally and always have taken candidly, I read PCGamer. PCG ftw. And have they rated EVE? I dunno. This sig's wearing Boots of Mod Escaping! Too bad I had a remote to those boots then, off button works fine - Wrangler
Will Mer	Posted - 2006.02.11 00:39:00 - [87] I find this quite interesting. Eve was advertised on gamespot for quite a while. Not just little advertisiments big ones, in your face. They have that on there website yet they won't update a aging review. Strange but in all fairness I couldn't care. I would like to see some stats for the amount of simpleton players eve gets and spits out. I bet its a lot. But eve isn't very inviting to new player in all fairness. And unless they striaght away talk to people who have played the game a long time or they can see just by the early stages how great it really is and what it can be, then they will thinks is rubish. off topic Funyn that you all read PC gamer (UK), I stopped reading it for the same reasons this thread is. And I found it very VERY boring read. Maybe its got better but I just felt they thought they were above other people. I read PC ZONE, Yes it full of humour which alot of people won't like. But I have found them spot on with everything they do baring the odd review due to fan boy-ism, But I can relate to that as anything with Doom or quake in it gets me excited even though they were disapointing I still loved them.
WizEye	Posted - 2006.02.11 05:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Will Mer off topic Funyn that you all read PC gamer (UK), I stopped reading it for the same reasons this thread is. And I found it very VERY boring read. Maybe its got better but I just felt they thought they were above other people. I read PC ZONE, Yes it full of humour which alot of people won't like. But I have found them spot on with everything they do baring the odd review due to fan boy-ism, But I can relate to that as anything with Doom or quake in it gets me excited even though they were disapointing I still loved them. Same here. I used to like PC gamer then last year I decided to cancel the subscription because I could get anything I needed online for free, from sites like GameSpot, also the reviews on PC gamer were becoming more and more amateurish and infantile. ----------------------- HELP US FIX DRONES, POST HERE!!! SIGN HERE
Namidian	Posted - 2006.02.11 06:48:00 - [89] Edited by: Namidian on 11/02/2006 06:50:43 Originally by: Minsc my direct PM reply to the Mod that closed the thread. .. almost the exact thing i wanted to post on that GS thread. anyway; gamespot ALWAYS has horrible reviews.
High Sierra	Posted - 2006.02.11 08:33:00 - [90] I hate gamespy. I hate the fact that alot of the games I buy and install on my Pc will now ask me if I want to install gamespy as well. ignore GS, they arent important.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.02.11 09:06:00 - [91] Gamespy is a compilation of all the rejects of the gamming industry gathering together to bash the games they suck at playing and mindlessly thumping their chests claiming "1337n355" because they have 2 million morons reading their site. ----------------------------------------------- "Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever." ~Aristophane
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2006.02.11 10:26:00 - [92] Originally by: Yossar Am I missing something or are you guys complaining about a 2+ year old review? I think the fact that the review has not been updated in the last 2 years is the whole reason this thread was created. ¼_¼

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