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Verizana	Posted - 2006.02.09 22:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Verizana on 09/02/2006 22:39:57 I ask you guys for a real good setup naw. I want all ranges all kinds. NOt mining. only PVP and PVE. Sigs for you! Convo for prizes and such.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:00:00 - [2] Edited by: KilROCK on 09/02/2006 23:00:51 Hi Verizana It's a tempest, If you don't know how to fit your tempest. Then i can't help you at ALL, with your machariel fitting. It's faster, it tracks better. That's about the difference. That and the Extra lowslot. If you can't see/Figure out the benifit of a 7th lowslot on one of your already 'working' tempest setup, then move along and give me your machariel. That's all. Good luck
Guardian Alpha	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:02:00 - [3] Post some real fittings, Kill, instead of saying this each time the thread comes up. I'd like to be able to put it in the ship setups thread ------------------- "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." - Charles Darwin
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Guardian Alpha Post some real fittings, Kill, instead of saying this each time the thread comes up. I'd like to be able to put it in the ship setups thread Then sticky a Tempest fitting topic because that's bassicly what the machariel is. It's KilROCK by the way. Get new glasses if you see 2 L's.
Guardian Alpha	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Guardian Alpha on 09/02/2006 23:12:52 Okay.. sticky denied Too bad no one is going to help the parent poster, since a lot of people may have trained up for the Mac' but never flew a tempest. ------------------- "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." - Charles Darwin
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:15:00 - [6] the cookie cutter dual 650mm II x 6 heavy dim nos x 2 ab x 1 20k scram x 1 web x 1 multispec x 1 heavy elec cap booster x 1 2 reps 2-3 energized adaptives II 2-3 gyros II once you have that, pimp it as much as possible
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.09 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Guardian Alpha since a lot of people may have trained up for the Mac' but never flew a tempest. If you train for a machariel without flying a tempest first, there goes all the BASIC of flying your ship well, bypassed to feel special in a pimpy looking ship. Don't post crap like that, I'd rather see a machariel blew up than see someone fly it just because 'it's a faction bs'.
Furion35	Posted - 2006.02.10 02:25:00 - [8] - 6x Dual 650mm ACs, Heavy Nos, Large Smartbomb - AB, Web, Warp Disruptor, Tracking Disruptor, Cap Injector - 2x Large Rep IIs, 3 Hardeners, 2 Gyrostabs IIs Pretty much what Sarmaul said.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.02.10 02:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarmaul the cookie cutter dual 650mm II x 6 heavy dim nos x 2 ab x 1 20k scram x 1 web x 1 multispec x 1 heavy elec cap booster x 1 2 reps 2-3 energized adaptives II 2-3 gyros II once you have that, pimp it as much as possible you really can't beat this. K.I.S.S. every module have a purpose on it. only variation weirda have done is having a plate down low too (sacrificing one of 3xAdaptives and leaving 2xgyro)... you pretty much have grid for a couple of cruiser left over... __ Weirda ...balanced NOS change... Fix Assault Ship 4th Bonus and More!
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.02.10 02:33:00 - [10] I actually use 800mms on my Machariel as opposed to the dual650s I had on the tempest as the Machs tracking bonus makes those hit well enough and I like the slightly higher DPS and slightly lower ammo consumption. That is a mission running setup though, the small ammo clip prolly makes that unsuitable for PvP (Not like I could understand anyone taking a Mach into PvP though...)
Lexor SLice	Posted - 2006.02.10 12:52:00 - [11] Edited by: Lexor SLice on 10/02/2006 12:53:05 i have people tackle for me and use this 6 800mm repeatings 2 heavy nos 1x EM hardener 3x Invul Field II's 1x XL booster II 4x PDU II 3x Gyro II edit: this setup is really better for sniping with 1400's where tackling isnt a big deal, but it tanks like no other. ESE is Recruiting skilled Miners and Pvp'ers!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:22:00 - [12] I like: 6 x 800mmII, 2 heavy nos mwd, web, scram, ecm X 2 large armor rep, 2 hardner (i like passive), 2 gyro, plate, rcuII Think that fit before, if not drop the plate for a third gyro. sgb
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:24:00 - [13] what about ab, xl booster, em and invul II? that way you're still mobile (and as it's a mach you should pimp it with an x-type ab) while still tanking well.
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Sarmaul what about ab, xl booster, em and invul II? that way you're still mobile (and as it's a mach you should pimp it with an x-type ab) while still tanking well. Because mids are too useful to tank with :) sgb
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:24:00 - [15] Hmm that reminds me: 6 x 1400mmII, 2 free highs, afterburner, 2 x sb II, 2 x tracking computer II, med rep II, 3 gyros, 2 tracking enhancers, 1 rcuII. Tested it on a corp mate in empire, hits frigs with mwd on going at full transversal to you at anything over 50ks. Tracking ftw :) sgb
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Jet Collins on 10/02/2006 13:49:19 I recently tryed this to max my damage. My fitting skills are Maxed. High: 6 1400t2 2 Cruise Mid: 3 tracking comps t2 AB t2 Sensor Boost t2 I think. Low Slots 3 Gyro t2 Med Armor Repairer 1 or 2 RCUt2 I'm pretty sure I got it all to fit with one. The reason for the meduim repairer 1 named BCS. Last slot hardner I think. Sorry that I'm not positive on the set up, I'm at work and I mainly made the set up to kill Amar in a mission and was try for max damage. Its not a great set up but its pretty fun to watch targets melt. Just looked at the post above... ya much of the same sorry :)
Lexor SLice	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarmaul what about ab, xl booster, em and invul II? that way you're still mobile (and as it's a mach you should pimp it with an x-type ab) while still tanking well. with a ship that costs what a machariel costs, tanking is usualy my priority, and 1 em+ 1 invul isnt enough for me, however, this this is very capable of putting its lows to use with mean armor tanks, as previously suggested in the thread. ESE is Recruiting skilled Miners and Pvp'ers!
Minmatar HJ4389254743	Posted - 2006.02.10 14:23:00 - [18] ...look. if ya wanna shield tank in a sexy ship, go buy a fleet temp. the mach has 7 lows. use them. either wicked armor tank and close range setup (any of the above will do. i prefer to balance a bit of cap recharge instead of injector, and w/ same train of though, nos not msls (unless you dont like 4tw :P ) now, i would like to point out that 1400s will hit harder on this ship than anything in the game. period. toss 2 nanos down low, good named AB in mid, then do the 2xfaction sensor boost 2x faction track comps. track enhance II down low and 3 best gyros you can find. depending on your skills will dictate what you are left w/. but one interceptor at a gate can seem pretty unthreatening untill he slows you down long enough for a mach to uncloak and light you up in no time flat. 425's are for losers Machariel 4tw
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.10 15:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Minmatar HJ4389254743 now, i would like to point out that 1400s will hit harder on this ship than anything in the game. the last time I checked, it did exactly the same damage as a tempest
reaTh	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:19:00 - [20] hi: 6 x dual 650 IIs 1 x dark blood heavy nos 1x large named smartbomb med: 1 x gist x mwd 1 x ahremans modified heavy cap injector 1x sensor booster II 1x dark blood warp disruptor 1 x dark blood web low:1x brokakas large armour rep 1x centus x large armour rep 3x core x harnders (expl,kin,therm)1x gyro II 1 x rcu II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Current RKK Ranking: (MIN9) Zuvan
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:33:00 - [21] Originally by: reaTh hi: 6 x dual 650 IIs 1 x dark blood heavy nos 1x large named smartbomb med: 1 x gist x mwd 1 x ahremans modified heavy cap injector 1x sensor booster II 1x dark blood warp disruptor 1 x dark blood web low:1x brokakas large armour rep 1x centus x large armour rep 3x core x harnders (expl,kin,therm)1x gyro II 1 x rcu II get 2 a-type energized adaptives and 2 gyros on there :) Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.02.10 17:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Minmatar HJ4389254743 now, i would like to point out that 1400s will hit harder on this ship than anything in the game. the last time I checked, it did exactly the same damage as a tempest Yes but with the tracking bonus you get more well aimed/excellent shots
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.10 18:16:00 - [23] Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Minmatar HJ4389254743 now, i would like to point out that 1400s will hit harder on this ship than anything in the game. the last time I checked, it did exactly the same damage as a tempest Yes but with the tracking bonus you get more well aimed/excellent shots pwnd :( Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Crellion	Posted - 2006.02.10 18:53:00 - [24] I can see why peeps post all the A/C set ups (it being faster and tracking better etc) but sticking my tongue out to Minnie pilots I have to say that I have never seen anybody use it in pvp with anything but 1400IIs and then as lone snipers, never in fleet battles. Whereas crazy Gallentes like LD fly BlasterVindicators often
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:03:00 - [25] I used mine in pvp with autocannons on once. Then i jumped back to empire. Too expensive to risk for what you get is my opinion. sgb
Verizana	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Crellion I can see why peeps post all the A/C set ups (it being faster and tracking better etc) but sticking my tongue out to Minnie pilots I have to say that I have never seen anybody use it in pvp with anything but 1400IIs and then as lone snipers, never in fleet battles. Whereas crazy Gallentes like LD fly BlasterVindicators often first of all you havent seen anything yet then. And second, flying a mach in a fleet is basicly suicide. Sigs for you! Convo for prizes and such.
Minmatar HJ4389254743	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:24:00 - [27] yeah sarm. i think i'm bangin a 16.5 dm @ .025 rad/sec. Lots of hard hits, doesnt really miss. tracking is (and has been) the key to using large proj effectively (that an insane SP in gunnery) AC for pvp is most practical. saves on PG for rediculous armor tank + nossy + ab. w/ plenty of mids open. and yeah. do not fly this into fleet battle. you will fly home in pod (if you 'fly' home at all)
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:37:00 - [28] 6 x dual 650 II with barrage 2 x 25/30 km Heavy nos 1 x 100mn MWD 3 x 30 k Disrupters 1 x tracking disrupter 5 x nanofiber 1 x large repair II 1 x dmg mod / 28 % to all hardneer.. etc Btw: i dont fly this setup.. i think people that fly ships 24/7 is not much for just giving them away..
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.02.10 20:08:00 - [29] I iwhs the extra bonus was fall off not tracking then it would be totally creamy Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.10 21:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Sun Ra I iwhs the extra bonus was fall off not tracking then it would be totally creamy /emote dreams of 25% falloff bonus with barrage Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Stradivarious	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:04:00 - [31] My basic Mach setup, not my sniper setup mind you which I'll keep for myself and people that have managed to kill them :p 6 1400 IIs, 2 rocket launchers with defenders(does a number on cruise ravens ) 1 target painter II, 1 x-large shield booster II, 2 tracking comp IIs, 1 shadow serp sensor booster 1 pdu 2, 6 gyro IIs, sometimes swap one for a med armor rep(if operating without support) or a local nano And to the person who said he couldn't understand taking a mach into pvp, I pity you, why else would you get one? There are far better PVE ships, the Machariel was designed to be king of the battelfield I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool. Click the sig for the VC KB
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Stradivarious 1 pdu 2, 6 gyro IIs, sometimes swap one for a med armor rep(if operating without support) or a local nano Seems someone isn't aware of the stacking penalities in RMR
Stradivarious	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:25:00 - [33] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Stradivarious 1 pdu 2, 6 gyro IIs, sometimes swap one for a med armor rep(if operating without support) or a local nano Seems someone isn't aware of the stacking penalities in RMR No sounds like someone hasn't actually watched the numbers and just believed everything ccp has told you... put that many on, and take one off, yes there is a penalty for having that many, does your ROF and damage still go up, YES, is it as much as pre RMR, no, but damage and ROF is damage and ROF, every little bit helps. It never actually goes down like ccp said it would, hence their stacking penalty is still borked, which is why they are addressing it YET AGAIN this coming patch... I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool. Click the sig for the VC KB
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:26:00 - [34] Edited by: KilROCK on 11/02/2006 17:27:17 I did watch the number and i came to the conclusion the increase is abysmal and fitted tracking enhancer/pdu instead. they didn't say it would go down, they said the increase after a 4th damage mod would be minimal, and it is. Enough to make me want to fit a module worth using. And they aren't modifying the way damage modules stack in the upcoming patch. Don't know where you got that info from.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:29:00 - [35] What I can afford; 5 d650 2's, d425 2, h dimin, named sb named mwd, cap booster, 20k, web, sensor booster () 2xaccommo, 2xEANM 2, 2 gyro, plate. p - l - u - r My first vid
Stradivarious	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:32:00 - [36] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 11/02/2006 17:27:17 I did watch the number and i came to the conclusion the increase is abysmal and fitted tracking enhancer/pdu instead. they didn't say it would go down, they said the increase after a 4th damage mod would be minimal, and it is. Enough to make me want to fit a module worth using. And they aren't modifying the way damage modules stack in the upcoming patch. Don't know where you got that info from. Read the latest dev blog m8, Dev Blog , oveur specifically mentions adjusting stacking yet again, and yes to some that small amount of difference would seem abysmal, but that small difference has saved me more often then a little bit of tracking or anything else would, without slowing me down or degrading performance in some other area. I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool. Click the sig for the VC KB
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.02.11 17:36:00 - [37] Edited by: KilROCK on 11/02/2006 17:39:37 Ah, it's a new blog, didn't see it. Quote: Stacking nerf adjusted to prevent exploitable setups and situations I think you need to get up to date because that doesn't mean damage mod at all, More like the scorpion and raven using 2-3 shield amp + cap relays, since the stacking is all bugged and it allows you to run a tank forever. Once again, your 6 gyros are useless and that doesn't even concern them.
Morlock	Posted - 2006.03.03 16:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Morlock on 03/03/2006 16:25:26 I use this setup for pve. 6x 1400IIs, 2x arbalest cruise large SBII, 2x invulII, sensor booster II, ABII 4x PDUIIs, 2x GyroII, Tracking EnhancerII 5 small ecm drones for emergency exit, 5 medium drones for anti-frig Works really well. If you want more tank, switch the AB for another invulII and a sensor booster for a large shield extender, and then switch the gyros and tracking enhancers for a full rack of PDUII and one damage control unit. This will all barely fit(100%cpu) with maxed skills in fitting.
xKillaH	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Sarmaul the cookie cutter dual 650mm II x 6 heavy dim nos x 2 ab x 1 20k scram x 1 web x 1 multispec x 1 heavy elec cap booster x 1 2 reps 2-3 energized adaptives II 2-3 gyros II once you have that, pimp it as much as possible hehe this is nearly exacly the same as the tempest setup I have except 1 extra low and much more dps/rof Need a Sig? Check Gallery
dabster	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:20:00 - [40] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 11/02/2006 17:39:37 Ah, it's a new blog, didn't see it. Quote: Stacking nerf adjusted to prevent exploitable setups and situations I think you need to get up to date because that doesn't mean damage mod at all, More like the scorpion and raven using 2-3 shield amp + cap relays, since the stacking is all bugged and it allows you to run a tank forever. Once again, your 6 gyros are useless and that doesn't even concern them. 6 gyros do more damage than 4 gyros, right? If yes, then=discussion over. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:22:00 - [41] Originally by: dabster Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 11/02/2006 17:39:37 Ah, it's a new blog, didn't see it. Quote: Stacking nerf adjusted to prevent exploitable setups and situations I think you need to get up to date because that doesn't mean damage mod at all, More like the scorpion and raven using 2-3 shield amp + cap relays, since the stacking is all bugged and it allows you to run a tank forever. Once again, your 6 gyros are useless and that doesn't even concern them. 6 gyros do more damage than 4 gyros, right? If yes, then=discussion over. You will max out with 4 gyros. Think 3 would be better because you can save 1 slot for something nice. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Danitar	Posted - 2006.03.04 00:38:00 - [42] OK Your all wrong.... Here is what you do with a MAch.. Highs-- tech II autto cannons (the Chrome ones) MIds--- officer and faction mods (just the Chrome ones) Lows--- Officer or faction spinners ( the Chrome ones) Then get your pimp on !!!!
Dywolf	Posted - 2006.03.26 06:19:00 - [43] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Guardian Alpha since a lot of people may have trained up for the Mac' but never flew a tempest. If you train for a machariel without flying a tempest first, there goes all the BASIC of flying your ship well, bypassed to feel special in a pimpy looking ship. Don't post crap like that, I'd rather see a machariel blew up than see someone fly it just because 'it's a faction bs'. lose the attitude dude.
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Dywolf Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Guardian Alpha since a lot of people may have trained up for the Mac' but never flew a tempest. If you train for a machariel without flying a tempest first, there goes all the BASIC of flying your ship well, bypassed to feel special in a pimpy looking ship. Don't post crap like that, I'd rather see a machariel blew up than see someone fly it just because 'it's a faction bs'. lose the attitude dude. Yeah, he's trolled every single Machariel thread there's ever been saying (basically) that a) no-one should fly it except for him because he's the ONLY one that knows a good fitting and b) flaming people when they ask for said fitting... don't worry about it. _____________ ...Yer ma's nags
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:59:00 - [45] You can fly a Mach just fine with never having a Tempest...fitting it however is where your pest xp comes in handy. Industrial Giants
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:38:00 - [46] Sniping 6 1400MM Howitzer Artilery Cannon II's 2 Corpus X-Type Heavy Nos 2 Sensor Booster II's 2 T2 Tracking Comps 1 P.W.N.A.G.E. Target Painter 1 Chelm's Reactor Control Unit 3 T2 Tracking Enhancers 3 T2 or Officer Gyrostabilizers ----------------------------------------------- Done is done Yes, there will be no taking back Every journey must come to an end All hail to the Gunslinger Beyond our reach, out of control
Tessa Vaako	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:00:00 - [47] I've been having fun ratting with a blaster-thron and figured that I could basiclly follow the same ideas. Now that I have a BPC of this fine ship, I figured I'd go for a similar idea as my successful 'thron. 6x Dual 650s (Best I can afford/loot) 2x Heavy NOS (ditto) 1x Named MWD 1x Large Cap Booster (for the MWD run up to the target) 1x Webber (X5 or better) 2x ECM (rat specific) 1x Large T2 repper 3x Gyrostab IIs 3x N-Type active Hardners (Rat specific) According to Quickfit, It is very tight on CPU, but does fit for me. -- Ars Caelestis Public Relations Director The Future is Exciting. Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces
Frezik	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:19:00 - [48] There is only one true way to setup a machariel: 1xEM Hardener 2xInvulnerability Fields 1xX-Large SB 1xShield Boost amp 4xCo-proc II 3xWCS 6xMiner II Do it. You know you want to. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
cy4n1d3	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:41:00 - [49] You want a real setup? 6x800 II's with barrage-L 2xArb Siege or Cruise 3x Tracking comp II's 2x Sensor boost II's or ECM II's or 2x 20k Disruptor depending on situation 3x Gyro II's 4x WCS .13 tracking with 800 2's = GG
Buraken v2	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:54:00 - [50] Originally by: cy4n1d3 You want a real setup? 6x800 II's with barrage-L 2xArb Siege or Cruise 3x Tracking comp II's 2x Sensor boost II's or ECM II's or 2x 20k Disruptor depending on situation 3x Gyro II's 4x WCS .13 tracking with 800 2's = GG If you are not kidding you are going to get flamed Originally by: Mang0o 200m sexy ill bid on yours becouse you are so cute
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.04.06 10:11:00 - [51] Originally by: cy4n1d3 You want a real setup? 6x800 II's with barrage-L 2xArb Siege or Cruise 3x Tracking comp II's 2x Sensor boost II's or ECM II's or 2x 20k Disruptor depending on situation 3x Gyro II's 4x WCS .13 tracking with 800 2's = GG Oh man, PLEASE come and fight me in my Domi with that. I KNOW I could beat you, and that's with a ship that cost me all of 5 million to build and fit (I get my mins and fittings from NPCs.) Plz plz plz plz plz, then I could have a faction BS on my killboard _____________ ...Yer ma's nags
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.04.06 10:22:00 - [52] Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Oh man, PLEASE come and fight me in my Domi with that. I KNOW I could beat you, and that's with a ship that cost me all of 5 million to build and fit (I get my mins and fittings from NPCs.) 5 Million? No....it didnt. If you take the ammount of mins that you used to build your Domi, and multiply each mineral by the best market price you could have got for that mineral, then that is the cost of your Dominix. Not flaming or anything, its just in my experience it tends to be cheaper for me to sell the mins required to build any ship to the highest bidder, and then to buy the cheapest ship on the market.
Rezeik Aurelius	Posted - 2006.04.15 23:57:00 - [53] Edited by: Rezeik Aurelius on 15/04/2006 23:57:45 I'm glad I'm not the only person who has discovered that, Twilight...
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:05:00 - [54] I generally prefer a standard AC tempest fitting plus one of the following in the extra lowslot: Gyrostab II Energized Adaptive Nano II Internal Force Field Damage Control Ladar Backup Array II (26 sensor strength, biatch!) -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Stradivarious And to the person who said he couldn't understand taking a mach into pvp, I pity you, why else would you get one? There are far better PVE ships, the Machariel was designed to be king of the battelfield QFT -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Voodoo Papa	Posted - 2006.04.22 15:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Morlock Edited by: Morlock on 03/03/2006 16:25:26 I use this setup for pve. 6x 1400IIs, 2x arbalest cruise large SBII, 2x invulII, sensor booster II, ABII 4x PDUIIs, 2x GyroII, Tracking EnhancerII 5 small ecm drones for emergency exit, 5 medium drones for anti-frig Works really well. If you want more tank, switch the AB for another invulII and a sensor booster for a large shield extender, and then switch the gyros and tracking enhancers for a full rack of PDUII and one damage control unit. This will all barely fit(100%cpu) with maxed skills in fitting. is this setup working good for you on missions? why shield tank instead of armor tanking? how do your turrets track against the frigates?
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:26:00 - [57] Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 22/04/2006 16:27:50 for pvp thats with armour skills at 3, get then higher and it gets even more uber ==[ MACHARIEL ]== Powergrid : 17829.0 / 19375.0 MW CPU : 652.0 / 687.5 tf Velocity : 2067.57 m/sec Armor HP : 8695.0 Armor EM : 87.52 % Armor Explo : 63.99 % Armor Kinetic : 68.81 % Armor Thermal : 72.97 % HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 228 \| 25] Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [1350 \| 24] Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I - [ 228 \| 25] Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 1 \| 30] Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler - [ 1 \| 30] true sansha web - [ 1 \| 55] Dread Guristas ECM Multispectral Jammer - [2275 \| 40] Vizan's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster - [1500 \| 75] Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 2 \| 32] Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane - [ 2 \| 32] Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane - [ 1 \| 20] Domination Gyrostabilizer - [ 1 \| 20] Domination Gyrostabilizer - [2800 \| 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer - [2800 \| 46] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer - [ 1 \| 17] Internal Force Field Array I
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.05.06 11:16:00 - [58] ye dont undock in a mach.. if you dont fit a mwd... ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
schurem	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:05:00 - [59] 650's up top, cap rechargers, a tracking comp and a web in mids, and a pimpy armor tank down low. pimpy? three true sansha hardeners and a centus X type LAR. plate, nano and a forcefield array to make shure it stays together and alive. oh yes, its good :D <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>> Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier!
Ben Hump	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:59:00 - [60] 6x 650mm II, Heavy dimishing, Med nos II Shadow serp warpscrambler, truesanshas disruptor, cap injector, core x-type MWD, webber 2 large reppII, explosive hardner II, adaptive nanoII, dmg control(great for tigth situations, mach has a huge hull), gyrostab II and a cap relay May contain traces of irony "Yes Mister Tristan"
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.06 13:10:00 - [61] See relevant Tempest threads, as the Machariel is pretty much that. I'll give you a hint, though: the extra low slot is not for fitting more warp core stabilizers.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.05.06 14:08:00 - [62] why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost 2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage. ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Ben Hump	Posted - 2006.05.06 18:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Chode Rizoum why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost 2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage. because if it fits use it and i think there is a diffrent in tracking speed (not sure) May contain traces of irony "Yes Mister Tristan"
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:22:00 - [64] Originally by: Ben Hump Originally by: Chode Rizoum why do people insist on using dual 650... when dual 425.. do the same dps.. almost 2006.05.06 13:18:06 combat Your Dual 425mm AutoCannon II perfectly strikes Rotten one [ALCAU](Raven), wrecking for 689.1 damage. because if it fits use it and i think there is a diffrent in tracking speed (not sure) but on dual 650 setups.. you cant use dual nos and dual rep.. and mwd and cap injector... ôThe harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.ö
Matrices Sunbound	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:42:00 - [65] When I first saw the difference of dps between 425mm and 650mm was about 20 dps I thought 425's would be the better choice since they use less grid and have better tracking. But When you are fighting a well tanked Bs they will boost/rep around 10,000 armour or shield. Then the difference in time it takes to kill 10,000+6000 hitpoints with good resistances becomes a minute or two which is a very big difference. ofc this is assuming you are one on one against another bs which is a narrow possibility. Against a cruiser or something with a smaller number of hitpoints 650mm would shine even more because you probably wont need to reload. And often people calculate the dps of Ac's taking reload time into account making guns with a smaller clip less effective. Being more realistic, assuming you are in a small gang 800mm would be the better choice because the target should be dead before you have to reload unless your gang really stinks
Krazy Cheetah	Posted - 2006.06.05 03:13:00 - [66] Ok I keep reading different info on the Machariel set ups I am 7 months into the game I have a Mach and am trying to figure out what it is better at Shield vs Armor tank ( i shield tank now and do fine in pve) and Long range vs Short range for the guns ( i love my 1400s). So can someone sum it up for me on this, or is it truly an issue of preference one this ship for both tank and range. I actually went back to my tempest because I know exactly what to fit that with and how to fly it. I know i can use the Mach as a tempest with and extra low slot but is it really the best way to do it. Excuse me for being a n00b any help is appreciated
Morlock STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.29 09:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Morlock on 29/07/2006 09:48:28 Originally by: Krazy Cheetah Ok I keep reading different info on the Machariel set ups I am 7 months into the game I have a Mach and am trying to figure out what it is better at Shield vs Armor tank ( i shield tank now and do fine in pve) and Long range vs Short range for the guns ( i love my 1400s). So can someone sum it up for me on this, or is it truly an issue of preference one this ship for both tank and range. I actually went back to my tempest because I know exactly what to fit that with and how to fly it. I know i can use the Mach as a tempest with and extra low slot but is it really the best way to do it. Excuse me for being a n00b any help is appreciated Summary - Two options: 1. Shield tank + long range 2. Armor tank + short range You can't mix the two due to powergrid issues when using long range (1400s) that needs the low slots to be filled with PDUs instead of armor tanking. For pve, I'd prefer long range for the safe factor and ease factor, but for pvp, you want short range, since your target can simply warp off if not scrambled. Also, short range does approx. 30% more damage with a longer tank.
Wrayeth PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.29 09:51:00 - [68] (UN)HOLY NECROMANCY, BATMAN! -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
garth nader	Posted - 2006.08.31 23:58:00 - [69] Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits. 2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles 5 CapII's 1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.09.01 00:02:00 - [70] Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits. 2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles 5 CapII's 1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays. Necromancy is bad enough already, but with such a setup... Makes baby Kilrock cry! --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Jonay	Posted - 2006.09.01 19:48:00 - [71] Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits. 2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles 5 CapII's 1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays. Are you serious? First, don't mix turrets, short or long range, but not both, second, why the cap relay? with 5 normal cap rechargers you can put large repairer tech 2 forever, with that fitting you can use 2 large tech 2 repairer without stop, and use 2 cruise launchers, thats a typhoon setup, do you really have a machariel?
albert camus Quam Singulari	Posted - 2006.09.09 16:42:00 - [72] Ive got 6 x domi 800's any one give me a fiting for use with 800's?
Croak Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.10 04:07:00 - [73] Originally by: albert camus Ive got 6 x domi 800's any one give me a fiting for use with 800's? For PvP you're FAR better off using d650's, which frees up enough PG to use heavy NOS, Heavy Cap Booster, MWD, dual LARs, etc. But if you don't have Large Autocannon spec, I wouldn't be taking the Machariel into PvP anyway, if I were you. Domination/RF AC's do about the same damage as a T2 AC, skills being the same, but you REALLY need to be able to use Barrage and take advantage of the falloff bonus. For missions/ratting you don't need the NOS or the dual LARs, Barrage isn't necessary (or cost-effective), and the lower ammo burn of the 800's makes more sense, so the Domi 800's aren't a bad choice to use until you can use T2's. Mission setup: 6x 800II's/Domination 800 2x Arbalest Seige Faction AB 3x/4x Cap Recharger II 0x/1x Web/TP 3x/4x Rat specific Faction/T2 hardeners 1x/2x Gyro II 1x Faction/T2 MAR 1x Faction LAR 5x T2 Medium Drones 5x T2 Light Drones You need AWU 2 to make that fit, but you can save some PG/CPU by using Cruise, and Cruise will also allow you to fit a 2x LAR setup.
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.10 05:11:00 - [74] Originally by: garth nader Here is what I have setup to Armor Tank and I can sit there and take hits. 2 1400 Protoytpes 2 800 heavies 4 XT-9000 Cruise Launchers fitted with all types of Cruise missiles 5 CapII's 1 Large Armor Repper II Armor Hardeners Shadow Serpentis Adaptive Nano Membrane Mark I Generator Cap Relays. You don't actually own one, please? ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Cathath > Imaran - Cathath Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:33:00 - [75] Edited by: Horza Otho on 01/11/2006 23:33:03 6x dual 425 II 2x hvy dim 1x Tuvan 100mn AB 1x domination web 1x domination disruptor 1x vizan injector 1x kaikka multispec 2x centum/core/whatever x-type LAR's 3x centus x eanm's 1x internal ff (altho i wud spend the money on a dcu II) 1x 1600mm/domination gyro wee? --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Deviana Sevidon Gallente easyCredits O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.01 23:41:00 - [76] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 01/11/2006 23:42:06 My Machariel Setup: 6x Dual 650mm AC ll, 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS Gist-X-Type 100MN MWD, Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, True Sansha Stasis Webifier, Conjuctive LADAR Backup Array, Heavy Electrochemical Cap. Injector. Large Armor Repair ll, Medium Armor Repair ll, Internal Force Field Array l, 2x Energized Adaptive Nanomembrane ll, 2x Gyrostabilizer ll. 5x Medium Scout Drones ll, 5x Light Drones ll. Ammo and Drone-Types depending on Situation.
cy4n1d3	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:57:00 - [77] I'll give you a hint, 3 heavy web drones.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:49:00 - [78] This is my current PVP setup: High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb, 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range) Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner, 1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I (Will soon get a Domination Warp Disruptor here), 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Tracking Disruptor II, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Large Armor Repairer II (Will soon be 2x Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer's here, or 2x Gotan's Modified Large Armor Repairer if they are possible to get), 1x Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Domination Gyrostabilizer But this is my dream setup: High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 2x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Med-Slot: 1x Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive, 1x Domination Warp Disruptor, 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Dread Guristas ECM Multispectral Jammer, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster Low-Slot: 1x Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer, 1x Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Gotan's Modified Gyrostabilizer Or this setup: High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb, 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range) Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner, 1x Domination Warp Disruptor, 1x Domination Stasis Webifier, 1x Tracking Disruptor II, 1x Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Gotan's Modified Large Armor Repairer, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener, 1x Corpus A-Type Armor Thermic Hardener, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Domination Gyrostabilizer And this is the rigs i'm gonna use on the ship: Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total): 1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-Explosive Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more explosive resistance Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc. Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:56:00 - [79] This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ best setup in this thread... but necro 4tl... best thing the mach has over the temp is that extra speed, utilize it with mwd and let the ownage begin...
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:29:00 - [81] Thread necromancy! Arrggghhhhhhurk
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:43:00 - [82] Originally by: smallgreenblur Thread necromancy! Arrggghhhhhhurk Nah, i will not call that necro because this topic is linked to in the Ships Index sticky topic. Then there will always be someone that will reply to the topic Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Os2 Minmatar Arctic Tribe	Posted - 2007.06.28 12:15:00 - [83] PVE setup for solo lvl4 missions. High: 6x Domination 800mm 2x Domination siege Med: Core X-type AB Shadow serpentis tracking comp 3x Cap recharger II Low: shadow serpentis LAR DMG control II 1600mm tugsten plates domination gyrostab TS active hardeners expl/kin/therm (55%) Rigs: 1x Anti-Explosive Pump I 1x Anti-Kinetic Pump I 1x Anti-Thermic Pump I All armor resistanses 78-83% amount over 15k Works nice for mission running. -Os2 Artic Tribe
Vicis Tractus	Posted - 2007.06.28 12:16:00 - [84] Necro
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.28 12:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Previously you went for the duel 425's and 2 heavy nos. what made you change ur mind and go 650's? DE
Enduros	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:28:00 - [86] Using this for missions: 6x Domination 1200mm artillery 1x Drone Link (don't ask...) 1x Smart Bomb/Cloak/whatever 1x Gist X-type AB 1x Sensor Booster 2x Tracking Computer 1x Cap Recharger 1x LAR 3x Hardeners (spec ofcourse) 3x Domination Gyro 3x CCC rigs Has almost no tank, lots of gank, fun to fly. As for the CCC rigs I had them in hangar though what the hell and haven't bothered to use anything else yet. Some missions require dropping a gyro for another hardener Also got a set of Domination 800 repeating, the dps is huge but the range without falloff is awful and they only really work with an MWD, not many missions support that. I could use falloff rigs but then arti will no longer fit. Think I gotta get another mach for those. As for flame on using it on missions, bite me. I dislike cookie cutting missiles spammers thank you very much.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc.	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:30:00 - [87] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Chode Rizoum This is what iam gonner be going if a get a new one... reps 19xx each rep.. still goes 1700-1800 m/s Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Previously you went for the duel 425's and 2 heavy nos. what made you change ur mind and go 650's? DE thats a old setup dont fly that anymore.. TEMPTATION INC. Killboard

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