Oh well

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

The Depot's inability to retain cargo once scooped makes it impractical to hold the subsystems there either.
If the mobile depot were to only be able to hold modules, charges, drones, and subsystems but could retain them when scooped it may prove to be an effective change.

Therefore Team Super Friends would like to thank your friendly CSM for providing their reasonable things list. With this list it was helpful to prioritize what features you wanted the most. (So hug a CSM member and continue to support them!)

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

Yes your right, that would make moving large volumes of stuff, magically contained in a tardis like structure so much easier.

Posted: 2013.11.04 13:37



CCP Paradox you troll....

hahaha good catch

Will we be able to assemble T3s in space? Doesn't sound like it, but that would make hauling them in so much easier.

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

So please do so and provide any feedback that you have.

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

once scooped makes it impractical to hold the subsystems there either.
If the mobile depot were to only be able to hold modules, charges, drones, and subsystems but could retain them when scooped it may prove to be an effective change.

Great.

Also, is this one of those two mysterious projects that Jester was writing about with heavy NDA threat hanging over its detail being put in minutes? One of those projects supposed to be pretty earthshaking, other not so much. Personally I hope this change is just a preludium to earthshaking part :)

Yes, that is the subject title. If you like what you read, then please continue reading.

I'm happy to announce that with Rubicon, you will be able to refit your subsystems on your Tech 3 cruiser in space.
This change will apply to any fitting service in space, supplied by SMA, a capital ship with a fitting service (like the Orca) or even the new deployable the Mobile Depot.
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even the new deployable the Mobile Depot.

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

Also coming Clone swapping in a Rorqual?

Is it possible to fix what is broken already? (e.g. Tengu's losing 30% shields every time you jump into them from a POS ) as you march forward with this?

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

Ass.

I agree, but any word on having permissions for POS's fixed?

The use of cynojammers in sov wars has always been a strategic option to stop subcap fleets from bridging ahead or to pull back and take a fight one jump behind you where there is a jammer so that you can have the advantage.

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

I feel someoen that has a wormhole living alt ...

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

Yes, that is the subject title. If you like what you read, then please continue reading.



Therefore Team Super Friends would like to thank your friendly CSM for providing their reasonable things list. With this list it was helpful to prioritize what features you wanted the most. (So hug a CSM member and continue to support them!)

I feel an important point raised by Laz has been buried by all the exuberance, and this change, along with yurts, has a very significant effect on the meta-game.

this comes from 3 main points.

-All T3's have cloak / interdiction nullifier subsystems, Cloak allows T3's to be bridged in via Black ops, ignoring cynojammers and giving these ships superb mobility. Interdiction nullifier allows T3's to escape from virtually any engagement. The drawback is that using these 2 subsystems cripples the ability of T3's to fight.

-All T3's have excellent combat subsystems. There are arguments to be made about whether Strategic Cruisers are the single most powerful subcap type in a fleet fight, but combat fit T3's are easily able to hold their ground against "conventional" fleets.

-Mobile Depots allow players to refit with no prior preparation, no need to set up a safe tower in advance, or an available station.

This means T3's can refit from Travel to Combat and vice versa in a hostile system without any support/preparation.

So what are the implications of this? Extremely mobile T3 fleets that can be bridged anywhere with a Blops, refit in system to combat for whatever they have to fight, if the fight goes badly, drop yurt in combat and refit to Nullifier to moonwalk out. Once fighting is done or fleet has left field, bridge back with a Black ops.

It all sounds awesome and cool, but I don't believe for a second that this will be "balanced". Traditionally T3's have been balanced by having the possibility to do a lot of jobs, but not all at once. With mobile depots, they basically can do everything at once. This change will completely obsolete Blops battleships and Recons in their combat roles.

If these changes go live as is, expect a massive arms race between all Nullsec Alliances to see who can put together the biggest fleet of black ops T3s.

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

I'm not contesting your points, but isn't exactly this kind of malleability and versatility what T3s were supposed to be about originally?

I'm not contesting your points, but isn't exactly this kind of malleability and versatility what T3s were supposed to be about originally?

Indeed and expect a healthy nerf of tech iii ships too...

I see a few restrictions happening. Main one will probably be that the ships can't refit if they are in combat (or possibly targetted/ agressed). Having these ships do the whatoosie flip flop during combat that carriers/supercaps do.....

Now will we be able to ASSEMBLE T3's in wormholes, or will we still have to do that in Kspace?

Screw the hugs, send us ISK

This is a pretty bad idea. You have now influenced the meta so that EVERY null alliance will only fly Tech3s and use a small pos to refit after bridging into a system.

People build supers in dead end systems for the fact that it has one gate and you have a single point to defend to keep attackers out.

The use of cynojammers in sov wars has always been a strategic option to stop subcap fleets from bridging ahead or to pull back and take a fight one jump behind you where there is a jammer so that you can have the advantage.

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

Dawwww Gewns Might Actually have up Get better at the game and Defend Systems.. Unless of course.. You plan on becoming like FA...

Screw the hugs, send us ISK

Thanks guys!

Dawwww Gewns Might Actually have up Get better at the game and Defend Systems.. Unless of course.. You plan on becoming like FA...

While we are placing modules from your ship into your cargo hold, you can overload your cargo this way. It is important to remember this, and make sure you can safely store away the modules which were removed.

OH YESSS, thats exactly what eve neeeds ... no we dont need you guys to figure a way to fix the unplayable game in 10% tidi ... and the module cicling bugs .. nooo we need to change the subsistems in space .. not sure if its gonna work on 10% tidi .. the only problem that eve have at this point ... and thats the main issue that ccp need to fix at this game .... GG CCP ...i rly want to hear how u fix the lag and tidi issue ..

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

oh yeah!

I feel an important point raised by Laz has been buried by all the exuberance, and this change, along with yurts, has a very significant effect on the meta-game.

this comes from 3 main points.

-All T3's have cloak / interdiction nullifier subsystems, Cloak allows T3's to be bridged in via Black ops, ignoring cynojammers and giving these ships superb mobility. Interdiction nullifier allows T3's to escape from virtually any engagement. The drawback is that using these 2 subsystems cripples the ability of T3's to fight.

-All T3's have excellent combat subsystems. There are arguments to be made about whether Strategic Cruisers are the single most powerful subcap type in a fleet fight, but combat fit T3's are easily able to hold their ground against "conventional" fleets.

-Mobile Depots allow players to refit with no prior preparation, no need to set up a safe tower in advance, or an available station.

This means T3's can refit from Travel to Combat and vice versa in a hostile system without any support/preparation.

So what are the implications of this? Extremely mobile T3 fleets that can be bridged anywhere with a Blops, refit in system to combat for whatever they have to fight, if the fight goes badly, drop yurt in combat and refit to Nullifier to moonwalk out. Once fighting is done or fleet has left field, bridge back with a Black ops.

It all sounds awesome and cool, but I don't believe for a second that this will be "balanced". Traditionally T3's have been balanced by having the possibility to do a lot of jobs, but not all at once. With mobile depots, they basically can do everything at once. This change will completely obsolete Blops battleships and Recons in their combat roles.

If these changes go live as is, expect a massive arms race between all Nullsec Alliances to see who can put together the biggest fleet of black ops T3s.

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

- If roaming in a pimp fit, and engaged in a fight you can not win, drop yurt, tank for 45 seconds, then deposit shinnies into yurt. Come back later within 48 hours to retrieve mods.

I kinda doubt that yurt will still be there 48 hours, let alone 48 seconds, after you lose the fight.

They still need to be assembled in station.

With this and the SMA loot drop change, Rubicon is shaping up to be the best wormhole expansion since Apocrypha :)

Yeah right, just a little crumb of bread for the crowd before you nerf T3s to hell and back. Don-¦t get me wrong, this change is welcome. But if you really nerf the T3s in the upcoming year as you plan to do then ask yourself one question first: Are T3s the problem or are 1000s of people on field flying them the problem? You fail to recognize basic problems in gameplay mechanics and are just dealing with the symptoms.

..................... I think you lost your crowd there.

The concern of the crowd here is that the ability to retrofit t3's in space at a mobile depot will invalidate the need/use of a subcap fleet doctrine for all other subcaps. Why fly a subcap fleet 30 jumps,when you can blackops a t3 fleet in 30 seconds, and then escalate with another set of blackop t3's. In addition, the T3's have options to retrofit there systems to escape battle and bypass traps if need be..

oh and they can covops cloak and hide if need be, bypassing the whole "I'm going to probe the fleet down" move.

Its not about overpowered, its about having the option to swiss army knife your fleet in 10 seconds, using something that is not a carrier/super, aka a vulnerable target.

Cost is becoming less of an issue due to SRP and some alliances/coalitions having the ability to replace and entire lost t3 fleet if need be.

Of course if your bringing a T3 fleet, you are having the general belief that you are not planning on losing it.

This is a pretty bad idea. You have now influenced the meta so that EVERY null alliance will only fly Tech3s and use a small pos to refit after bridging into a system.

People build supers in dead end systems for the fact that it has one gate and you have a single point to defend to keep attackers out.

The use of cynojammers in sov wars has always been a strategic option to stop subcap fleets from bridging ahead or to pull back and take a fight one jump behind you where there is a jammer so that you can have the advantage.

Yes now all you need to do is give secure hanger access in pos's as security is really the main issue now.

I feel an important point raised by Laz has been buried by all the exuberance, and this change, along with yurts, has a very significant effect on the meta-game.

this comes from 3 main points.

-All T3's have cloak / interdiction nullifier subsystems, Cloak allows T3's to be bridged in via Black ops, ignoring cynojammers and giving these ships superb mobility. Interdiction nullifier allows T3's to escape from virtually any engagement. The drawback is that using these 2 subsystems cripples the ability of T3's to fight.

-All T3's have excellent combat subsystems. There are arguments to be made about whether Strategic Cruisers are the single most powerful subcap type in a fleet fight, but combat fit T3's are easily able to hold their ground against "conventional" fleets.

-Mobile Depots allow players to refit with no prior preparation, no need to set up a safe tower in advance, or an available station.

This means T3's can refit from Travel to Combat and vice versa in a hostile system without any support/preparation.

So what are the implications of this? Extremely mobile T3 fleets that can be bridged anywhere with a Blops, refit in system to combat for whatever they have to fight, if the fight goes badly, drop yurt in combat and refit to Nullifier to moonwalk out. Once fighting is done or fleet has left field, bridge back with a Black ops.

It all sounds awesome and cool, but I don't believe for a second that this will be "balanced". Traditionally T3's have been balanced by having the possibility to do a lot of jobs, but not all at once. With mobile depots, they basically can do everything at once. This change will completely obsolete Blops battleships and Recons in their combat roles.

If these changes go live as is, expect a massive arms race between all Nullsec Alliances to see who can put together the biggest fleet of black ops T3s.

And what is problem exacly? no more afk ratting in deep null space ?

I feel an important point raised by Laz has been buried by all the exuberance, and this change, along with yurts, has a very significant effect on the meta-game.

this comes from 3 main points.

-All T3's have cloak / interdiction nullifier subsystems, Cloak allows T3's to be bridged in via Black ops, ignoring cynojammers and giving these ships superb mobility. Interdiction nullifier allows T3's to escape from virtually any engagement. The drawback is that using these 2 subsystems cripples the ability of T3's to fight.

-All T3's have excellent combat subsystems. There are arguments to be made about whether Strategic Cruisers are the single most powerful subcap type in a fleet fight, but combat fit T3's are easily able to hold their ground against "conventional" fleets.

-Mobile Depots allow players to refit with no prior preparation, no need to set up a safe tower in advance, or an available station.

This means T3's can refit from Travel to Combat and vice versa in a hostile system without any support/preparation.

So what are the implications of this? Extremely mobile T3 fleets that can be bridged anywhere with a Blops, refit in system to combat for whatever they have to fight, if the fight goes badly, drop yurt in combat and refit to Nullifier to moonwalk out. Once fighting is done or fleet has left field, bridge back with a Black ops.

It all sounds awesome and cool, but I don't believe for a second that this will be "balanced". Traditionally T3's have been balanced by having the possibility to do a lot of jobs, but not all at once. With mobile depots, they basically can do everything at once. This change will completely obsolete Blops battleships and Recons in their combat roles.

If these changes go live as is, expect a massive arms race between all Nullsec Alliances to see who can put together the biggest fleet of black ops T3s.

You basically want to be able to scoop your depot and have it retain its cargo. In other words you want 3000m3 worth of stuff to fit in 50m3 worth of your ship's cargo hold.

That doesn't seem completely ridiculous to you?