work it out a bit more please..

my ship is mining with me behind the computer.. have shields and drones out, and then the jehova's witness ring the doorbell.........

The net result of this would be, within a day or so of it being introduced, the various botting programs would have patches released to include and automate whatever hijacking counter-measures were implemented.

No bots would be affected, meanwhile the legitimate players who alt-tabbed away from their client or went for a shower while their freighter autopiloted to Jita would be the ones to lose out. You might think this is a good thing, and, hey, you might even be right, but in that case its a little silly to advertise this as an 'anti-bot' feature.

Instead of having them type the name or corp ticker of the hacker, have it display a Captcha image with the code to type in.

I like this idea. Incorporate some kind of audible warning though, for the semi-afk guys.

I would like to propose that the hacking skill be upgraded to "hijacking" to allow a pilot to eject a bot or afk pilot from any ship and send the now empty ship to a location somewhere in that same system as the property of the hijacking pilot. Giving him the opportunity to remove it from bot mining and sell it on the open market. Level 5 Hijacking skill would allow the ship to auto pilot thru gates to a destination set by the hijacker up to five gates.

The hijacking defense could be as simple as typing in the name of the pilot targeting your ship and the name of his corp before the hijack timer is successful something like 5 minutes. Additionally once successfully ejected the bot capsule would begin a 20 minute timer at the expiration of which it would become a legit target (Red) for any pilot with positive sec status with no penalty sec status hit for the extermination of a bot.

I am sure somewhere there is an answer to removing bots from the game. Unfortunately OP you suggestion is a poor tool to resolve the problem. CCP must have the capablity to link bots to RMT to player transacting etc.. I guess it comes down to them giving a **** about the problem before action can be taken.

as an "anti-bot" solution, this feature suck.

But as a whole, its an interesting concept that i would love to see in game some day.

For example, you can catch a guy in space, you can kill him, but you cannot make him give away his ship. And take it as a trophy. That makes no sense to me.

If you tweak it, this could be a cool thing to implement to revive lowsec for example.
As an example, to hijack a ship, you need following conditions:
1. Target is scrambled/disrupted.
2. Target shield/armor destroyed or lower than 10% and he is in structure.
3. His cap has to be kept below 10%.
4. His speed must be lower than 20m/s.

So you have to catch the guy, scramble him, use multiple webs on him, drain him of a cap. Then you initiate the hijack, which would be for example 2 minutes. During this time if one of the conditions will be disrupted, you have to start again.
That would be pretty hard, and gives the target chance to call backup or kill/scare away one of his hijackers. But in the end, hijackers get a prize.

That would be pretty cool to catch people in low-sec with a small crew and take their ships as bounty.

But eve has plenty of other issues atm, that are more vital and much easier to implement. But the hijacking idea is cool indeed.

I love this idea.

as an "anti-bot" solution, this feature suck.

But as a whole, its an interesting concept that i would love to see in game some day.

For example, you can catch a guy in space, you can kill him, but you cannot make him give away his ship. And take it as a trophy. That makes no sense to me.

If you tweak it, this could be a cool thing to implement to revive lowsec for example.
As an example, to hijack a ship, you need following conditions:
1. Target is scrambled/disrupted.
2. Target shield/armor destroyed or lower than 10% and he is in structure.
3. His cap has to be kept below 10%.
4. His speed must be lower than 20m/s.

So you have to catch the guy, scramble him, use multiple webs on him, drain him of a cap. Then you initiate the hijack, which would be for example 2 minutes. During this time if one of the conditions will be disrupted, you have to start again.
That would be pretty hard, and gives the target chance to call backup or kill/scare away one of his hijackers. But in the end, hijackers get a prize.

That would be pretty cool to catch people in low-sec with a small crew and take their ships as bounty.

But eve has plenty of other issues atm, that are more vital and much easier to implement. But the hijacking idea is cool indeed.

The goons have taken matters into their own hands to address bots mining ice in Gallente space but what about the rest of New Eden?

I would like to propose that the hacking skill be upgraded to "hijacking" to allow a pilot to eject a bot or afk pilot from any ship and send the now empty ship to a location somewhere in that same system as the property of the hijacking pilot. Giving him the opportunity to remove it from bot mining and sell it on the open market. Level 5 Hijacking skill would allow the ship to auto pilot thru gates to a destination set by the hijacker up to five gates.

The hijacking defense could be as simple as typing in the name of the pilot targeting your ship and the name of his corp before the hijack timer is successful something like 5 minutes. Additionally once successfully ejected the bot capsule would begin a 20 minute timer at the expiration of which it would become a legit target (Red) for any pilot with positive sec status with no penalty sec status hit for the extermination of a bot.

This way every human pilot can become a part of the solution to the bot problem and not just the goons. These are my thoughts as to an interactive multi-player way to address something that puts legit players at a market disadvantage when bots can mine non-stop 23/ 7 365.

Ship hijacking would be awesome if it was a boarding action played out in Dust 514.

Ship hijacking would be awesome if it was a boarding action played out in Dust 514.

You are an idiot...I afk mine (different that botting you tard) and you expect me to type in some **** ....my lasers aren't on 100% of the time. How bout focusing on botting in nullsec...how do you think the drf gets all of their RMT isk?

I was hoping your solution was to elect some BOTs to the CSM so they finally get the representation they deserve! I mean they are largely what drive the ecconomy!

Issler

How are those Goon bots on the current CSM working out for you?

If you tweak it, this could be a cool thing to implement to revive lowsec for example.
As an example, to hijack a ship, you need following conditions:
1. Target is scrambled/disrupted.
2. Target shield/armor destroyed or lower than 10% and he is in structure.
3. His cap has to be kept below 10%.
4. His speed must be lower than 20m/s.

So you have to catch the guy, scramble him, use multiple webs on him, drain him of a cap. Then you initiate the hijack, which would be for example 2 minutes. During this time if one of the conditions will be disrupted, you have to start again.
That would be pretty hard, and gives the target chance to call backup or kill/scare away one of his hijackers. But in the end, hijackers get a prize.

That would be pretty cool to catch people in low-sec with a small crew and take their ships as bounty.

But eve has plenty of other issues atm, that are more vital and much easier to implement. But the hijacking idea is cool indeed.

as an "anti-bot" solution, this feature suck.

But as a whole, its an interesting concept that i would love to see in game some day.

For example, you can catch a guy in space, you can kill him, but you cannot make him give away his ship. And take it as a trophy. That makes no sense to me.

If you tweak it, this could be a cool thing to implement to revive lowsec for example.
As an example, to hijack a ship, you need following conditions:
1. Target is scrambled/disrupted.
2. Target shield/armor destroyed or lower than 10% and he is in structure.
3. His cap has to be kept below 10%.
4. His speed must be lower than 20m/s.

So you have to catch the guy, scramble him, use multiple webs on him, drain him of a cap. Then you initiate the hijack, which would be for example 2 minutes. During this time if one of the conditions will be disrupted, you have to start again.
That would be pretty hard, and gives the target chance to call backup or kill/scare away one of his hijackers. But in the end, hijackers get a prize.

That would be pretty cool to catch people in low-sec with a small crew and take their ships as bounty.

But eve has plenty of other issues atm, that are more vital and much easier to implement. But the hijacking idea is cool indeed.

as an "anti-bot" solution, this feature suck.

But as a whole, its an interesting concept that i would love to see in game some day.

For example, you can catch a guy in space, you can kill him, but you cannot make him give away his ship. And take it as a trophy. That makes no sense to me.

If you tweak it, this could be a cool thing to implement to revive lowsec for example.
As an example, to hijack a ship, you need following conditions:
1. Target is scrambled/disrupted.
2. Target shield/armor destroyed or lower than 10% and he is in structure.
3. His cap has to be kept below 10%.
4. His speed must be lower than 20m/s.

So you have to catch the guy, scramble him, use multiple webs on him, drain him of a cap. Then you initiate the hijack, which would be for example 2 minutes. During this time if one of the conditions will be disrupted, you have to start again.
That would be pretty hard, and gives the target chance to call backup or kill/scare away one of his hijackers. But in the end, hijackers get a prize.

That would be pretty cool to catch people in low-sec with a small crew and take their ships as bounty.

But eve has plenty of other issues atm, that are more vital and much easier to implement. But the hijacking idea is cool indeed.

hi!

I have seen this idea before about implementing a captha (the hijacking suggestion will lead to a captha in the defence mecanism that is mention in the op) to counter the bot problem. In my opinion, this will never work! I ice mine alot myself and if I frequently would be asked to fill in a captha field to prove that I am human, I would deffently stop ice mining. I think in general that most people also would be enoyed by such a feature, meaning that we would in the end actually see more of bot mining, because no sain person would enjoy mining anymore. If you put your mind to it, it would also be possible for the bot to counter the captha, so the feature would not really stop the bot mining as much as it would stop the real miners.

When I mine, I often watcha movie, or just do wathever at the same time, and that is not afk mining in the sence of what bot mining represent.

No matter how we look at it, bot mining aswell as other stuff like isk selling and so fort will always be a problem, but punishing the real players is not, in my opinion the way to sort this problem. I think a better way than the captha would be to allow ccp to be able to monitor the players more so that they can find people that use bots or other cheats that are not allowed in the game.

Regards
Lizden

The goons have taken matters into their own hands to address bots mining ice in Gallente space but what about the rest of New Eden?

I would like to propose that the hacking skill be upgraded to "hijacking" to allow a pilot to eject a bot or afk pilot from any ship and send the now empty ship to a location somewhere in that same system as the property of the hijacking pilot. Giving him the opportunity to remove it from bot mining and sell it on the open market. Level 5 Hijacking skill would allow the ship to auto pilot thru gates to a destination set by the hijacker up to five gates.

The hijacking defense could be as simple as typing in the name of the pilot targeting your ship and the name of his corp before the hijack timer is successful something like 5 minutes. Additionally once successfully ejected the bot capsule would begin a 20 minute timer at the expiration of which it would become a legit target (Red) for any pilot with positive sec status with no penalty sec status hit for the extermination of a bot.

This way every human pilot can become a part of the solution to the bot problem and not just the goons. These are my thoughts as to an interactive multi-player way to address something that puts legit players at a market disadvantage when bots can mine non-stop 23/ 7 365.

And if hijacking fails, you are made red, ejected from your ships and your pod warps to a random gate ?

And if hijacking fails, you are made red, ejected from your ships and your pod warps to a random gate ?

Sit down. Obviously you've had a head injury. Goons is not fighting bots. Goons is bot friendly. They very publicly posted notice that goons caught blowing up goon bots would be kicked. They aren't alone as it seems at least most large alliances are running large botting operations. Please read up on stuff before posting. This gank-fest is simply to give the pvp pilots something to do that doesn't interfer with the alliance botting and moon goo wallet stuffing.

There's an old movie called "The Man Who Would Be King". in it a British officer is addressing some of the local Indian ( as in India) males who have come to be trained as infantry. The officer says "A good soldier is a dumb soldier, and from the look of you lot, you shall be magnificent.". Take that to heart. I bet you do great in a fleet fight.

hi!

I have seen this idea before about implementing a captha (the hijacking suggestion will lead to a captha in the defence mecanism that is mention in the op) to counter the bot problem. In my opinion, this will never work! I ice mine alot myself and if I frequently would be asked to fill in a captha field to prove that I am human, I would deffently stop ice mining. I think in general that most people also would be enoyed by such a feature, meaning that we would in the end actually see more of bot mining, because no sain person would enjoy mining anymore. If you put your mind to it, it would also be possible for the bot to counter the captha, so the feature would not really stop the bot mining as much as it would stop the real miners.

When I mine, I often watcha movie, or just do wathever at the same time, and that is not afk mining in the sence of what bot mining represent.

No matter how we look at it, bot mining aswell as other stuff like isk selling and so fort will always be a problem, but punishing the real players is not, in my opinion the way to sort this problem. I think a better way than the captha would be to allow ccp to be able to monitor the players more so that they can find people that use bots or other cheats that are not allowed in the game.

Regards
Lizden

If you want to watch a movie please do not be surprised if a non-afk player wants to watch your ship go boom! If you want to watch a movie i suggest PI. Park your movie watching behind in a station and do not undock until you can pay attention!

Its easy to say watching a movie is a bad idea and leads to ganking, however as I said earlier https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=479818#post479818 that those players who are married, have kids, friends, lives, make snacks, Jehovah witnesses at the door, bio-breaks, etc. Lead to instances where you can't tape your eye-lids open and **** in a jar. If we wanted to not have a life we'd be playing WoW. Eve is a working mans game, don't forget that.

i am married, still have a kid at home, run several businesses, very busy with local politics, and yet i don't make excuses for not paying attention when i am playing.

Owning your own business is very intense and i have been able to run more then one successful business operation for the past ten years so please don't whine about EVE being just a working man's game, EVE is a thinking man's game.

Get a clue an undock when you can pay attention. Learn to prioritize and to delegate your limited time effectively otherwise you'll end up doing a half ass job at most things you do. If real life causes me to be distracted and i lose a ship that is the nature of the game, EVE is unforgiving of the unwary an inattentive. AFK = a free killmail!

If you want to watch a movie please do not be surprised if a non-afk player wants to watch your ship go boom! If you want to watch a movie i suggest PI. Park your movie watching behind in a station and do not undock until you can pay attention!

So the way to get rid of bots is by killing non bots? Makes sense I guess.......................