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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
70
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:20:00 -
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I am a Space Hippy at heart, lets get that out of the way. At the core of my being, under all the angst and pent up British rage is a person who'd at least like to see the Eve Universe a better place then when I came into it, yet as a game I'm finding it hard to translate that part of myself into meaningful Eve based actions. I know Eve is mainly PvP based and making isk, but it's left me asking the question that is there room in New Eden for good people to make changes using in game mechanics for the betterment and enjoyment of everyone? No, I don't mean fitting up a faction fit Tengu and sitting on a Low to Null gate and shouting "Come get some bitches", and I don't mean getting involved in Null Sec wars - whilst I respect people's love for working towards a common goal, they tend to be power based, either money, territory or who has the biggest e-***** via the kill boards*. All morally grey areas depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on. But that also means that kind actions do some more magnified. People I've had help from through out my time on Eve have always been remembered with warmth for the most part, and passing on the karma is always something I strive to do one way or another.
I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?
No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.
(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)
* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions. |

Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:23:00 -
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Sure there's room for good people to make a difference.
You could start by becoming an ISK Doubler and making everyone happy. |

Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
71
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:32:00 -
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Violet Crumble wrote:Sure there's room for good people to make a difference.
You could start by becoming an ISK Doubler and making everyone happy.
That actually made me smile. I mean I probably won't take up on the idea, oh wise offer of wisdom, but at least it gave me a chuckle. Besides if I was to ever feel the urge to lose a couple of zeros from my wallet, it'd probably be in the newbie areas. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1075
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:32:00 -
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Personally i would say that people like Chribba is one that is counted as a "good guy", which is possibly why so many people trust him and use his services.
So yes, there is room to be "the good guy", and since there is so few i also think that its one of the...titles? that stand out more in EVE where most are labeled as "bad guys". And of course.. i would think its a lot harder to get known as a "good" person then as a "bad" person since good things rarely get as much publicity or gets acknowledged in the same way as "This person stole X amount of ISK from ***** ! Biggest heist in the history of EVE!" as an example. |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1630
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:34:00 -
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I think there should be more incentives to be "good". Something to do with a lowsec focused on law vs crime has long been suggested as an alternative to just FW, but has never really made it to the top of the idea pile. Ideally it should involve both and be a relatively smooth transition between hisec and lowsec surrounding the conflict between those who fight for the factions in general and those who break the "law", as opposed to just inter-faction warfare.
I think a lot of people who shy away from the general purposelessness of pvp would appreciate it a lot more if they felt they were on the side of something beyond their own narrow self-interest, gang mentality, and/or personal achievement. That's not to devalue the existing reasons for conflict, just to add another one and draw in more people who have little gameplay incentive to enter into conflict with other players. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1383
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:35:00 -
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I give away roughly 30-40% of the isk I make from my various endeavors to noobs, people down on their luck, or just for lulz. I am still considered to be a "bad guy".
So idk what kind of crazy ass Habitat for Humanity nutball you'd have to be to be considered a "good guy" in this game. |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
635
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:56:00 -
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I am nice man with happy feelings all the time.
Shooting is just how I make friends. I'm bummed that more people don't understand that my Ferox is just trying to say hello. :( |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:44:00 -
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I gave someone a mackinaw recently. Mostly because I know flying one is rather suicidal. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:45:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:Personally i would say that people like Chribba is one that is counted as a "good guy", which is possibly why so many people trust him and use his services.
So yes, there is room to be "the good guy", and since there is so few i also think that its one of the...titles? that stand out more in EVE where most are labeled as "bad guys". And of course.. i would think its a lot harder to get known as a "good" person then as a "bad" person since good things rarely get as much publicity or gets acknowledged in the same way as "This person stole X amount of ISK from ***** ! Biggest heist in the history of EVE!" as an example.
I remember who Chribba is. For the life of me I can't remember the name of any corp heister regardless of the theft size. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1390
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:47:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:NightCrawler 85 wrote:Personally i would say that people like Chribba is one that is counted as a "good guy", which is possibly why so many people trust him and use his services.
So yes, there is room to be "the good guy", and since there is so few i also think that its one of the...titles? that stand out more in EVE where most are labeled as "bad guys". And of course.. i would think its a lot harder to get known as a "good" person then as a "bad" person since good things rarely get as much publicity or gets acknowledged in the same way as "This person stole X amount of ISK from ***** ! Biggest heist in the history of EVE!" as an example. I remember who Chribba is. For the life of me I can't remember the name of any corp heister regardless of the theft size.
Psychotic Monk. Coming soon to a CSM near you, God willing. |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1853
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:52:00 -
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I do a lot of good work helping vulnerable people in high sec. Some people accuse me of having a hero complex but I just want to bring a little happiness to those who need it most. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7108
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:59:00 -
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Rumor has it that I am indeed a 'Good Guy' in RL.
Too bad you all have to know the absolute ******* ******* that I am on this **** piece of ************ load of ***** in a bucket of **** with an extension cord wrapped around a ******** while riding a ********** backwards wearing ***** on his face **** Forum.
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1076
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:35:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:NightCrawler 85 wrote:Personally i would say that people like Chribba is one that is counted as a "good guy", which is possibly why so many people trust him and use his services.
So yes, there is room to be "the good guy", and since there is so few i also think that its one of the...titles? that stand out more in EVE where most are labeled as "bad guys". And of course.. i would think its a lot harder to get known as a "good" person then as a "bad" person since good things rarely get as much publicity or gets acknowledged in the same way as "This person stole X amount of ISK from ***** ! Biggest heist in the history of EVE!" as an example. I remember who Chribba is. For the life of me I can't remember the name of any corp heister regardless of the theft size.
Maybe you are correct that thefts was not the best example to use. Now that i think about it i can really only remember the EVE bank heist my self 
Instead you can think about people like... Seelene, Sir Molle, The Mittani, Verone, Tank CEO...names many will know, but they know them mainly because these people have either lead, or been involved in events that involves wars, or in general just being the "bad guy".
The only other person i would consider a "good guy" that i can think about right now is Innominate Nightmare, but i know some will question that and say that his story was simply just a clever scam and thats why he suddenly disappeared. However, in my mind the stories were well worth the ISK he received.
Im sure i will remember more when im less tired 
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:15:00 -
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I miss that too... I thought that at least in a MMO I could safely give a try at being good. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9945
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:25:00 -
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There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.
/c |
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Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:05:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Sure there's room for good people to make a difference.
You could start by becoming an ISK Doubler and making everyone happy. That actually made me smile. I mean I probably won't take up on the idea, oh wise offer of wisdom, but at least it gave me a chuckle. Besides if I was to ever feel the urge to lose a couple of zeros from my wallet, it'd probably be in the newbie areas.
Well sh*ts a and giggles is what it's all about; and better to have the giggles than the sh*ts I reckon.
Glad I could bring a smile to your face. Any game that can't do that isn't worth playing.
Big o7 to you. |

Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
273
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:07:00 -
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there isn't really good but there's lawful.
for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part) |

Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:20:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:there isn't really good but there's lawful.
for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part) Baaa, what's Concord other than the biggest gankers in the game (the kill boards show the truth of this)?
Since we're all immortal it's literally impossible to kill a man, or woman (or man pretending to be a woman).
If you can't break the law by killing someone, then the concept of lawful is a bit fuzzy; and really just a relative term.
That is, it means nothing. Just do what you want to do.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
273
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:44:00 -
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Violet Crumble wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:there isn't really good but there's lawful.
for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part) Baaa, what's Concord other than the biggest gankers in the game (the kill boards show the truth of this)? Since we're all immortal it's literally impossible to kill a man, or woman (or man pretending to be a woman). If you can't break the law by killing someone, then the concept of lawful is a bit fuzzy; and really just a relative term. That is, it means nothing. Just do what you want to do.
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
273
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:45:00 -
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Violet Crumble wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:there isn't really good but there's lawful.
for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part) Baaa, what's Concord other than the biggest gankers in the game (the kill boards show the truth of this)? Since we're all immortal it's literally impossible to kill a man, or woman (or man pretending to be a woman). If you can't break the law by killing someone, then the concept of lawful is a bit fuzzy; and really just a relative term. That is, it means nothing. Just do what you want to do.
Well breaking the law has consequences. Abiding by the law has benefits. For example I managed to extricate my pod from the last clusterfuck blob fight I got into in providence because I'm not KOS to CVA and its made me think about maybe keeping my nose clean in their neighborhood because I found that 'refreshing'.
The game weeks like it gets more intetesting when you apply rules to yourself, also. |
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Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
181
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:49:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote: No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.
Ok. How about half then?
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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
82
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:50:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote: I think a lot of people who shy away from the general purposelessness of pvp would appreciate it a lot more if they felt they were on the side of something beyond their own narrow self-interest, gang mentality, and/or personal achievement. That's not to devalue the existing reasons for conflict, just to add another one and draw in more people who have little gameplay incentive to enter into conflict with other players.
I think I generally fall into this category. I very occasionally do PvP, and it's fun. The adrenaline rush is rather more-ish, but at the end of the day you're simply killing someone else with less experience in fighting or fitting, or knowing when a fight is one sided. Personally, having a reason besides ego and power block plays is something I'm looking for. Even in FW the consequences for losing a system aren't exactly ground breaking, and holding a system and upgrading it is an ISK earning exercise. This is where the disconnect with who we want to be, and what CCP envisage us to be shows itself. We're supposed to be amoral Gods, detached from the affairs of mortals, but I've always wanted something more to be left to those who follow me.
I guess it's testament to CCP that even with that differing in philosophies, I'm intrigued to see where Eve is heading.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Rumor has it that I am indeed a 'Good Guy' in RL.
Too bad you all have to know the absolute ******* ******* that I am on this **** piece of ************ load of ***** in a bucket of **** with an extension cord wrapped around a ******** while riding a ********** backwards wearing ***** on his face **** Forum.
I take my hat off to you, Sir, for managing to turn your piece into a mind boggling piece of "Which swear words was he actually using?". It's like an Eve cryptic crossword full of fucks and *****.
Chribba wrote:There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.
/c
True. Plus there's trying to find that meaningful way of going about it, without being taken for a ride by less scrupulous players, or people who enjoy the sweet, sweet tears of those they manage to take down. I guess Eve Uni counts as one of the good entities of New Eden in that respect, allowing for new players to get to grips with the game without falling afoul of players who might otherwise abuse the naivety of newbies. |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
164
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:52:00 -
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Do a lot of missions for Sisters of Eve, and even SOE are considered pirates. In New Eden, that's about all you get. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1892
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:54:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:I am a Space Hippy at heart, lets get that out of the way. At the core of my being, under all the angst and pent up British rage is a person who'd at least like to see the Eve Universe a better place then when I came into it, yet as a game I'm finding it hard to translate that part of myself into meaningful Eve based actions. I know Eve is mainly PvP based and making isk, but it's left me asking the question that is there room in New Eden for good people to make changes using in game mechanics for the betterment and enjoyment of everyone? No, I don't mean fitting up a faction fit Tengu and sitting on a Low to Null gate and shouting "Come get some bitches", and I don't mean getting involved in Null Sec wars - whilst I respect people's love for working towards a common goal, they tend to be power based, either money, territory or who has the biggest e-***** via the kill boards*. All morally grey areas depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on. But that also means that kind actions do some more magnified. People I've had help from through out my time on Eve have always been remembered with warmth for the most part, and passing on the karma is always something I strive to do one way or another.
I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?
No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.
(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)
* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions.
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Or quit. I guess there's no good in you after all if you're just gonna give up. |

Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
181
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:55:00 -
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I suppose 'good' could be defined as being altruistic. Then again you'll find that those who get labeled as 'evil' take care of their own, too.. Goons being the clearest example.
You should do whatever you like. Drawing attention to yourself to underline your own perceived moral superiority does make you look a little emo, even if you're just flirting with it by bringing it forward as a cute question.
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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
82
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:34:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote: I suppose 'good' could be defined as being altruistic. Then again you'll find that those who get labeled as 'evil' take care of their own, too.. Goons being the clearest example.
You should do whatever you like. Drawing attention to yourself to underline your own perceived moral superiority does make you look a little emo, even if you're just flirting with it by bringing it forward as a cute question.
I wouldn't say emo. More...searching for ideas and point of views, and wondering away as to what's possible in Eve that doesn't involving screwing someone over.
Also I feel like I should be offering you a hug and a cup of tea/coffee/something nice, because if you think this "Pay attention to me" thread due to me feeling like I'm some holier than thou type, then you need to climb down from being cynical. I've seen epic dickery in game and in real life, and it always makes me a little sad when people get their kicks out of other people's miseries, so why should I add to it? Generally I'm more of the flippant, being amused type more than the serious sit down and discuss type when it comes to the forums. I'd rather see people getting along then at each other's throats.
If you're still offended then I'm sorry that you feel that way, but it doesn't change that the questions were genuine. |

Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:34:00 -
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With the amount of scams going on there is no hope for good in EVE. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8481
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:40:00 -
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The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust. |

Khoul Ay'd
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
118
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:49:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:...I guess the Event tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?
No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.
(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define...[/i]
Bad guy in this game is generally defined as taking from others (their isk, reputation, corp, alliance,ship, pod). So doing the reverse is the logical definition of good guy, right.
No, I'm not asking for your stuff. But there seems to be more than one way to do the reverse.
Stop people from losing their ________ to others. How do you do this? Become the next Chribba? Become a counter-ganker? Flag scams in local? Infiltrate the infiltrators?
The problem with all of these is you run the risk of becoming the monster you're battling -- the eternal danger of being a white hat. |

Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
102
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust. This is true. Very few possess this anymore, and those that do have earned it. My suggestion would be to help newbies as much as you can to understand the reality of EVE, not by harsh lessons but by cautionary tales and direct instruction. Show them where to find the information they can use to better themselves, maybe sling them a fitted ship they can use and fleet with them for a while. Help them to understand that they are not helpless, and debunk the notion that everyone in EVE is out to get you... teach them to extend one hand in friendship while keeping a knife in the other hand behind their back just in case. It's a rough universe out there, and if they're better prepared to face it because of you then you have done a good thing. The whole "teach a man to fish" thingy comes to mind, some dude talked about it a while back, but I can't recall who. |
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