Sure there's room for good people to make a difference.

You could start by becoming an ISK Doubler and making everyone happy.

Personally i would say that people like Chribba is one that is counted as a "good guy", which is possibly why so many people trust him and use his services.

So yes, there is room to be "the good guy", and since there is so few i also think that its one of the...titles? that stand out more in EVE where most are labeled as "bad guys".
And of course.. i would think its a lot harder to get known as a "good" person then as a "bad" person since good things rarely get as much publicity or gets acknowledged in the same way as "This person stole X amount of ISK from ***** ! Biggest heist in the history of EVE!" as an example.

I remember who Chribba is. For the life of me I can't remember the name of any corp heister regardless of the theft size.

I remember who Chribba is. For the life of me I can't remember the name of any corp heister regardless of the theft size.

That actually made me smile. I mean I probably won't take up on the idea, oh wise offer of wisdom, but at least it gave me a chuckle. Besides if I was to ever feel the urge to lose a couple of zeros from my wallet, it'd probably be in the newbie areas.

there isn't really good but there's lawful.

for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part)

Baaa, what's Concord other than the biggest gankers in the game (the kill boards show the truth of this)?

Since we're all immortal it's literally impossible to kill a man, or woman (or man pretending to be a woman).

If you can't break the law by killing someone, then the concept of lawful is a bit fuzzy; and really just a relative term.

That is, it means nothing. Just do what you want to do.

Baaa, what's Concord other than the biggest gankers in the game (the kill boards show the truth of this)?

Since we're all immortal it's literally impossible to kill a man, or woman (or man pretending to be a woman).

If you can't break the law by killing someone, then the concept of lawful is a bit fuzzy; and really just a relative term.

That is, it means nothing. Just do what you want to do.

No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.

I think a lot of people who shy away from the general purposelessness of pvp would appreciate it a lot more if they felt they were on the side of something beyond their own narrow self-interest, gang mentality, and/or personal achievement. That's not to devalue the existing reasons for conflict, just to add another one and draw in more people who have little gameplay incentive to enter into conflict with other players.

Rumor has it that I am indeed a 'Good Guy' in RL.



Too bad you all have to know the absolute ******* ******* that I am on this **** piece of ************ load of ***** in a bucket of **** with an extension cord wrapped around a ******** while riding a ********** backwards wearing ***** on his face **** Forum.

There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.

/c

I am a Space Hippy at heart, lets get that out of the way. At the core of my being, under all the angst and pent up British rage is a person who'd at least like to see the Eve Universe a better place then when I came into it, yet as a game I'm finding it hard to translate that part of myself into meaningful Eve based actions. I know Eve is mainly PvP based and making isk, but it's left me asking the question that is there room in New Eden for good people to make changes using in game mechanics for the betterment and enjoyment of everyone? No, I don't mean fitting up a faction fit Tengu and sitting on a Low to Null gate and shouting "Come get some bitches", and I don't mean getting involved in Null Sec wars - whilst I respect people's love for working towards a common goal, they tend to be power based, either money, territory or who has the biggest e-***** via the kill boards*. All morally grey areas depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on. But that also means that kind actions do some more magnified. People I've had help from through out my time on Eve have always been remembered with warmth for the most part, and passing on the karma is always something I strive to do one way or another.


I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?


No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)


* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions.

I suppose 'good' could be defined as being altruistic. Then again you'll find that those who get labeled as 'evil' take care of their own, too.. Goons being the clearest example.

You should do whatever you like. Drawing attention to yourself to underline your own perceived moral superiority does make you look a little emo, even if you're just flirting with it by bringing it forward as a cute question.

...I guess the Event tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?


No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define...[/i]

The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.

Some good deeds you could do:
[...]
-Hang out in high sec and watch for New Order people doing their spiel in Local. Gank their Catalysts before they can gank a miner.

there isn't really good but there's lawful.

for example CVA, they operate on a Not Red Don't Shoot basis so they don't shoot neutrals in their space (for the most part)

There's lots of good people I'm sure, but not many of them has the strength or time to show it as the way to get the label is very long.

/c

The most valuable thing you can own in this game is trust.

Indeed.

Years ago, before I left EVE, I was helping a corp mate with a "life-in-a-box" transport off a region which was assaulted by PL. We ended up in a WH system and traveled to another, and so on, and at some point we entered yet another WH system and were greeted in local by someone.

He said "hi there!" and we were pretty sure that was the end of us. I was in a CovOps ship and my mate had a.... a... Geez, I don't remember. An Orca or something. So we had no firepower or any defensive capabilities to speak of, and he was carrying over 15B worth of stuff.

So we talked to this guy and turned out he was monitoring the WH for neutrals or enemies. We told him our story and he offered to lead us to a WH exit to lowsec; we suspected betrayal but decided to trust him. He not only led us out, but he helped us go all the way to hisec.

He was a good guy. Sadly, I can't remember his name but we were impressed.

But that's the downside of being a good guy; people remember you for far less time than if you destroy their ships.

Why dont you come join us in CVA down in Providence, OP?

Probably the closest thing you will find to *good guys* in EVE.

We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to mine our asteroid fields and shoot our Sansha, while we attempt to protect them from pirates to the best of our abilities.
All we ask in return is that they return the favour and dont shoot anyone either.

We have seen alot of elite PVP and pirate empires come and go, yet with our good guy playstyle, we have endured nearly 10 years now.

Why dont you come join us in CVA down in Providence, OP?

Probably the closest thing you will find to *good guys* in EVE.

We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to mine our asteroid fields and shoot our Sansha, while we attempt to protect them from pirates to the best of our abilities.
All we ask in return is that they return the favour and dont shoot anyone either.

We have seen alot of elite PVP and pirate empires come and go, yet with our good guy playstyle, we have endured nearly 10 years now.

I don't really understand OP. Title is "Being a good guy", but then OP refuses to define what "good" is to her. Some instances of "good" have been mentioned, but no concrete definition of good is to be had.

I like to think of myself as a good guy in New Eden. I help miners learn about tanking their 200m exhumers and watching local so that they don't have to learn painful lessons with their battleships and such later on. A couple of weeks ago a couple of guys came in my wh system in a Mackinaw and a Drake. Not understanding the mechanics of whs I guess, they didn't realize they collapsed the thing with their last trip in. Since they didn't have a probe launcher between them, I gave them an exit from the wh lest they be trapped forever. I cherish their corpses and the time we spent together.

Sure there was that time a Probe was just sitting in the ore anom, not even cloaked, and I pinned him with my Loki while my friend warped in so we could both get in on the km. But after scooping his corpse we noticed he was only a few days old. So we convo'd him, gave him some tips (stay out of whs for awhile) and gave him some isk to cover the next few Probes he might lose.

Am I not good?

Am I not good?

Indeed.

Interesting & thought provoking post OP +1

Other than the previously mentioned CVA or anti-pirate groups, I'm struggling to think of any other groups (outside of hi sec) that could be described as aiming for a 'good guy' group play style.

Sorry, mate.... but that bit just made me think of "AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?!"

There are plenty of good guys. My alts have been with truly fantastic guys trusting a (back in time) newbie (me) with lots of stuff, gifting him tons of goodies and ships and even teachings.

Plenty of people willing to teach valuable stuff both in game and in written (tutorials, software) form.

Even I, try doing a tiny good by managing a charity. An in game => RL charity standing since 2011 in the cold, harsh EvE universe.

I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?

I guess the Even tonight kind of left me mulling over whether it's possible to actually be a good guy in the dark, cold confines of space? Actually how do you even define being 'good' in such a game? Or is being a good guy down to which side of the fence you sit on?


No, good is not me giving you all my stuff. Bless you for even thinking of even thinking of typing that.


(Apologies for using the word 'good' by the wayApologies for using the word 'good' by the way. I know it's a rather poor adjective, but it's more universal and a hell of a lot easier to define at gone 4am.)


* I am not good at PvP. In fact I'd say I'm pretty bad at it due to anxiety issues, but I still give it a go on occasions.

If you encourage someone to learn, and grow in the game, then you make it better for everyone.

I was stealthbombed in a mining barge the first time I tried to mine in a WH (3 full holds first) that was fair game I knew the risks and took them and I will of course return the favour now I am in a wormhole corp.

I would also think twice about exterminating a hapless victim, where's the challenge in that? Who would gain.
We can be who we want in EVE and discover the real person inside of us, I would like to feel I like that person.

Some lessons are more valuable than mere isk.

I believe to be good in Eve as in Rl is to do things that most if not all would judge to be a morally correct act.

So... is asian p0rn SO good? :)

According to my judgement it is :)

Maybe a person in Eve is "good" if they follow a code and therefore have a predictable nature in their dealings with others? As opposed to a person of uncertain attitudes prone to backstabbing both enemy and friend alike..

I would say a "good" player tries to genuinely enhance other players experience rather than just griefing and pretending that they are adding something to the game. Again a matter of semantics no doubt.

science and industry forum is full of people answering the same questions day after day politely.
market discussions contains plenty of people helping others out.
i have had wormholers trap me for hours and then when i offered to pay a ransom honour it.
Plenty of pirates take on trainees.
Corps like Shiva, EVOL and Goonswarm operate on communist lines allowing newer players endless ships.
EVE uni is a thing offering training and also plenty of guides for members and non members alike.
I often hand over hundreds of millions of isk worth of stuff for corpmates to transport.
My corpmates train me at PVP even though i suck at it.
I am sure many pvp corps are similar.
James and the new order are saving high sec.
Erotica allows plenty of observers to monitor her fun business program and donates billions to good causes.
Somer have funded plenty of in game and out of game stuff
Cannibal Kane (terrorist of our hearts) often picks battles based on how nice people are.
The myraid addons like IPH and dotlan we all use every day were made by players.

The beauty of eve is not that everyone is the villain but that everyone CAN be the villain and thus making trust a valuable commodity rather than something forced on you by game mechanics.
This is basically what Baltac (i hope i remembered the spelling of his name correctly ) said earlier but with more words.
The ability to trust appropriately is what marks a good eve player from a bad one imo.

oh ho some kind of agenda spotted

Not really, it's about "intent"

Oh, I agree. Illegal mining with intent to sell is much worse than if you meant to consume it yourself.

Granted, the penalty for both is still death.