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Ejit STD contractors 11	Posted - 2011.11.03 18:35:00 - [31] - Quote 10 hours away from AF 5 I skilled especially. No buff before Christmas makes me one sad panda
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 80	Posted - 2011.11.03 18:40:00 - [32] - Quote Cailais wrote: Really? Im pretty certain it says here that theyre getting fixed. Lets look at that again: "hereGÇÿs an overview of what functionality, systems and gameplay weGÇÿre going to improve and add to. Hybrid weapons balancing Factional warfare Assault ships" Perhaps we misunderstood something ....? Nope - it definitely says weGÇÿre going to improve Assault ships Yup. Says it right there. Back to work CCP its time to deliver. C. It sure does. CCP Zulu has some explaining to do.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 113	Posted - 2011.11.03 18:43:00 - [33] - Quote You are still going on about the fluff (smaller balance items) .. the big stuff, that which will really suck down the man-hours are what will make or break it for me like the promised null-sec revamp. Sadly, they have gotten so far behind on the basic balance maintenance that they will probably have to blow an entire expansion cycle just to catch up which bodes ill for actual mechanic changes/content. Bitter Vet, Best Vet!
Garbad theWeak 27	Posted - 2011.11.03 18:52:00 - [34] - Quote It looks like FW and AF buffs got benched, CCP was a little too ambitious for their deadlines and the staff cut. But even still, its looking to be the best patch in 2 years. Give them some slack, and we can get FW/AF next time.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:02:00 - [35] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: You are still going on about the fluff (smaller balance items) .. the big stuff, that which will really suck down the man-hours are what will make or break it for me like the promised null-sec revamp. Sadly, they have gotten so far behind on the basic balance maintenance that they will probably have to blow an entire expansion cycle just to catch up which bodes ill for actual mechanic changes/content. Bitter Vet, Best Vet! to me, the big stuff is the CORE, which is pvp. sure. nullsec/FW comprise the outer core of pvp, but the inner core is the actual ship balance and viability. you know, seeing ships other than canes and drakes. but youre right, theyre so far behind in balance that this expansion should just be called "Back to Balance". the "surprise" guard was referring to is probably related to nullsec stuff.
Jita Alt666 459	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:25:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Navigator: this is a good reply to a reasonable question. Good to see you guys address issues promptly clearly. I am just a little concerned that things are being bumped off of the priority list as set out but a month ago, but thanks for admitting that and not leaving it in the air raising doubt.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 146	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:36:00 - [37] - Quote They never promised anything. They said they were working on and had to goal to put those things in. They never said promise. If you can find the word "promise" in any CCP dev post regarding any feature they you see they are failing to deliver then you deserve a cookie and my apologies. Otherwise shut the hell up. The Drake is a Lie
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:36:00 - [38] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Navigator: this is a good reply to a reasonable question. Good to see you guys address issues promptly clearly. I am just a little concerned that things are being bumped off of the priority list as set out but a month ago, but thanks for admitting that and not leaving it in the air raising doubt. well, this is not ok. nice of you to be so understanding. but considering how this expansion is being marketed, AF buff is or was a huge selling point.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 137	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:39:00 - [39] - Quote Jeebus CCP slap a 4th bonus on there already, have a dev spend 3 hours looking through YOUR forums for the hundreds of great and sucky ideas introduced by the player base, add the damn things and be done with it. Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow? Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels!
Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 108	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:43:00 - [40] - Quote Mr Retribution is the disappoint. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:43:00 - [41] - Quote I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... 20km 1 point scram...
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 217	Posted - 2011.11.03 20:47:00 - [42] - Quote Rezynna wrote: CCP announces Expansion CCP promises set of features CCP dev blogs on what its doing CCP realises it cant deliver everything it promised CCP cuts features . . . . . Nothing new to see here. I really pity those Factional Warfare guys. That one will be the next one to get chopped, mark my words. DIAF!! We're getting a ****-tonne of fixes this expansion. That some stuff has to be held back to early-2012 is no cause for whining. Blow Me Up Good Contest --áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29295&find=unread
Haulin Aussie Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:02:00 - [43] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... 20km 1 point scram... Don't even joke about **** like that.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 147	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:03:00 - [44] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... 20km 1 point scram... Isn't that called a disruptor?.... The Drake is a Lie
Jason1138 The Catalina Wine Mixer 20	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:09:00 - [45] - Quote "Give them some slack, and we can get FW/AF next time." been hearing that stuff for several years now. FW was released broken. PI was released broken, Cosmos was released broken. CQ was released broken. fixing 1 thing now and then while releasing more broken **** constantly just creates a giant backlog of stuff "that we'll get next time" the time for giving slack is long past.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 137	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:11:00 - [46] - Quote The winter expansion page has it listed that in my mind is a strong declaration. Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow? Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels!
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 137	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:14:00 - [47] - Quote To those angry about AF being kicked down the curb, know that CCP has done something NEW here. They told us ahead of time and mentioned that they are still working on it, rather than delete it from the patch notes after download. I thank you CCP for the new open stance. I would really like to hear a 1 or 2 sentence reason why you can't just slap a 4th bonus on them and call it a day. Are you redesigning their role? Are you changing something else which makes you need to be more cautious with these frigs? Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow? Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels!
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:20:00 - [48] - Quote Apollo Gabriel wrote: I would really like to hear a 1 or 2 sentence reason why you can't just slap a 4th bonus on them and call it a day. Are you redesigning their role? Are you changing something else which makes you need to be more cautious with these frigs? tbfh, i think theyre just confused, and a little clueless (sorry, im just saying this based on in/actions over the last 2 years). just like when it comes to hybrids. looking forward to getting proven wrong.
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 218	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:26:00 - [49] - Quote Hungry Eyes wrote: [quote=Apollo Gabriel] I would really like to hear a 1 or 2 sentence reason why you can't just slap a 4th bonus on them and call it a day. Are you redesigning their role? Are you changing something else which makes you need to be more cautious with these frigs?/quote] tbfh, i think theyre just confused, and a little clueless (sorry, im just saying this based on in/actions over the last 2 years). just like when it comes to hybrids. looking forward to getting proven wrong. With that attitude and sense of entitlement, I'm sure you've never been proven wrong. Blow Me Up Good Contest --áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29295&find=unread
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:33:00 - [50] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Hungry Eyes wrote: [quote=Apollo Gabriel] I would really like to hear a 1 or 2 sentence reason why you can't just slap a 4th bonus on them and call it a day. Are you redesigning their role? Are you changing something else which makes you need to be more cautious with these frigs?/quote] tbfh, i think theyre just confused, and a little clueless (sorry, im just saying this based on in/actions over the last 2 years). just like when it comes to hybrids. looking forward to getting proven wrong. With that attitude and sense of entitlement, I'm sure you've never been proven wrong. i dont know who you are, but ive been a customer since 2004. this product not changing in a productive direction over the last two years has caused a lot of people to leave. this means for two years, the "development" of FiS has not actually occurred. getting back into developing FiS is like getting back into exercising after a long break. thoughts and actions are a little disconnected and unproductive. so as i said, i am looking forward to being proven wrong when some amazing changes come our way. hopefully. maybe. probably not.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:47:00 - [51] - Quote Haulin Aussie wrote: MeBiatch wrote: I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... 20km 1 point scram... Don't even joke about **** like that. and what do you think this is for then? [+] Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor [+\|n] medPower [+\|n] online [+\|n] overloadSelfRangeBonus [+\|n] warpScramble [+] capacitorNeed: 25.0 [+] capacity: 0 [+] cpu: 34.0 [+] duration: 5000.0 [+] falloff: 0 [+] heatAbsorbtionRateModifier: 0.01 [+] heatDamage: 5.0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 0 [+] maxRange: 22000.0 [+] metaGroupID: 3.0 [+] metaLevel: 6.0 [+] overloadRangeBonus: 20.0 [+] power: 1.0 [+] requiredSkill1: 3435.0 [+] requiredSkill1Level: 1.0 [+] requiredThermoDynamicsSkill: 1.0 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 [+] warpScrambleStrength: 1.0
Jita Alt666 459	Posted - 2011.11.03 21:48:00 - [52] - Quote Apollo Gabriel wrote: To those angry about AF being kicked down the curb, know that CCP has done something NEW here. They told us ahead of time and mentioned that they are still working on it, rather than delete it from the patch notes after download. I thank you CCP for the new open stance. I would really like to hear a 1 or 2 sentence reason why you can't just slap a 4th bonus on them and call it a day. Are you redesigning their role? Are you changing something else which makes you need to be more cautious with these frigs? Agree - this is something new. I would rather know when mistakes have been made as soon as possible than login on patch day board my jaguar and find its the same hunk of junk I bought in 2009. It is not good business policy to make claims that can not be delivered on - its even worse if you then ignore any discussion of those claims and hope issues will go away. By allowing the angry frigate pilots to vent now, patch day angst will be reduced.
Mimiru Minahiro Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.03 23:33:00 - [53] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Haulin Aussie wrote: MeBiatch wrote: I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... 20km 1 point scram... Don't even joke about **** like that. and what do you think this is for then? [+] Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor [+\|n] medPower [+\|n] online [+\|n] overloadSelfRangeBonus [+\|n] warpScramble [+] capacitorNeed: 25.0 [+] capacity: 0 [+] cpu: 34.0 [+] duration: 5000.0 [+] falloff: 0 [+] heatAbsorbtionRateModifier: 0.01 [+] heatDamage: 5.0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 0 [+] maxRange: 22000.0 [+] metaGroupID: 3.0 [+] metaLevel: 6.0 [+] overloadRangeBonus: 20.0 [+] power: 1.0 [+] requiredSkill1: 3435.0 [+] requiredSkill1Level: 1.0 [+] requiredThermoDynamicsSkill: 1.0 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 [+] warpScrambleStrength: 1.0 That has been in the database for a long time. And its not a scram its a disruptor.Scrams have an "activationBlock" (iirc) attribute. But 19km scrams should be possible, if expensive, post patch assuming nothing changes.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 194	Posted - 2011.11.04 00:25:00 - [54] - Quote Rezynna wrote: CCP announces Expansion CCP promises set of features CCP dev blogs on what its doing CCP realises it cant deliver everything it promised CCP cuts features . . . . . Nothing new to see here. I really pity those Factional Warfare guys. That one will be the next one to get chopped, mark my words. I highlighted the parts where your though process went astray. Perhaps you missed... Quote: I want to make it clear that this is not a final list. As we go through design and implementation phases some things may require more work than initially expected and others may not hold water in the design phase and therefore may not make it into this particular expansion. Similarly some things might get added to the list. We will keep you updated on our progress every step of the way because, as Hilmar said, communication is one of the things we are dedicated to improve. You also missed the part of this thread where they said it wouldn't be out in the first release. It was included in the part of this thread where they communicated their current status, just as they said they would. To kill the enemy and break their toys! It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto.
Logan LaMort Black Rebel Rifter Club 1064	Posted - 2011.11.04 00:37:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. *We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release* but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Remember Incursions, remember how it had three separate releases over a few months? Remember how CCP are doing staggered releases now? The above quote doesn't say AF improvements are dropped, or will be done in the far future. Navigator is just simply saying that it won't be in the first release, but they're hoping to do it for the Winter expansion releases after. Besides, would you rather they rushed it in time for the first release and screw it up, or wait a month or two for a good result?
Bomberlocks CTRL-Q 30	Posted - 2011.11.04 01:10:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Thanks for the answer. Many, many people will be looking forward to this.
Cailais Rekall Incorporated 91	Posted - 2011.11.04 01:17:00 - [57] - Quote Logan LaMort wrote: CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. *We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release* but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Remember Incursions, remember how it had three separate releases over a few months? Remember how CCP are doing staggered releases now? The above quote doesn't say AF improvements are dropped, or will be done in the far future. Navigator is just simply saying that it won't be in the first release, but they're hoping to do it for the Winter expansion releases after. Besides, would you rather they rushed it in time for the first release and screw it up, or wait a month or two for a good result? True enough but I think we can all remember similar comments that AFs would get a revision last year, and the proceeding years before that. Im not doubting they're a hard nut to crack sitting somewhere around the role of cruisers/destroyers. Personally Id like to seem them get some form of 'assault' capability - maybe allow them to jump to cynos or something like that but views of others will differ. If you were to list the 'big wants' (FW, PI, Hybrids, BlackOps) you'd certainly include AFs in there at some point. C.
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 131	Posted - 2011.11.04 06:00:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: We really wanted to do Assault Frigate improvements for Winter 2011 but it will not make it into the first release. We are aiming to make it happen sometime after the initial release but at this stage we simply cannot commit to a date. This is something that we really want to do so you can be assured that it has not been forgotten. Thanks for keeping us in the loop :)
Tsubutai The Tuskers 20	Posted - 2011.11.04 06:07:00 - [59] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: I was under the impression that AF are goin to get that new long range scram that i saw in the chaos dump... [+] Process-Interruptive Warp Disruptor [+\|n] medPower [+\|n] online [+\|n] overloadSelfRangeBonus [+\|n] warpScramble [+] capacitorNeed: 25.0 [+] capacity: 0 [+] cpu: 34.0 [+] duration: 5000.0 [+] falloff: 0 [+] heatAbsorbtionRateModifier: 0.01 [+] heatDamage: 5.0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 0 [+] maxRange: 22000.0 [+] metaGroupID: 3.0 [+] metaLevel: 6.0 [+] overloadRangeBonus: 20.0 [+] power: 1.0 [+] requiredSkill1: 3435.0 [+] requiredSkill1Level: 1.0 [+] requiredThermoDynamicsSkill: 1.0 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 [+] warpScrambleStrength: 1.0 That's a storyline warp disruptor, not a scram; it's been around for ages and can be looked up in EFT. The fact that it says WarpScramble is misleading, much like the notification that "xxx has started trying to warp scramble yyy" when you point someone. On topic, bah. No 4th bonus for AFs + silly destroyer overbuff = sadness.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 114	Posted - 2011.11.04 07:38:00 - [60] - Quote Logan LaMort wrote: ...Besides, would you rather they rushed it in time for the first release and screw it up, or wait a month or two for a good result? Problem is that argumentation has been used for four years and comes up every time CCP makes an aborted attempt (or even mentions) some high-profile fix. Read the post AF-AB-Boost threads if you don't believe me, CCP said they'd "be right back" and " back to drawingboard" or some equally disarming blurp and we all took it as face value .. can't speak for others but I am not buying the party line any more .. all their spin-doctor drivel has turned what good will there was into bad blood.

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