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 Mordessa    |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:12:00 -
[1] Due to new developements from within the Venal alliance, Evolution now finds itself in need to announce a new stance for the Evolution stike force currently within Venal. As of now all corporations who have turned against their former ally, Taggert Transdimensional Inc, we will hereby cease all hostilities with them. This means we will no longer target them, or fire on them, unless they target us first. Also for the time being, we will also remain within Venal, so long as TTI continues to make intrusions within Venal, and assist all those corporations who chose to democratically oust them. However this does not mean we have entered an alliance with them. For the time being thier enemy just happens to be our enemy. Furthermore, to all those individuals, corporations, and people who thought that we (Evolution) are just a bunch of blood thirsty dogs wanting to "Make a name for ourselves" we hereby offer this proof as to what Taggert Transdimensional Inc really stands for.
My my my, what an upstanding democratic coporation TTI is. What surprises us even more is that Taggert had won the vote to be allowed to remain within Venal by a margin of 5-7, five to have them removed and seven to have them stay. Now before most of you start to say that we did indeed buy off Jade Constantine, I will say here and now, that no money has passed, nor have we made any "Deal" with her or her corporation. From what we have been able to compile, all that has happened is that some (obviously 5) corporations within Venal finally tired of being TTI's cannon fodder. We applaud those 5 corporations who initially voted to oust TTI and pity those who voted to stay the course with them only to have the TTI blade stike thier back. Know this, we Evolution will continue in its assualt against the Corporations Taggert Transdimensional, Space Invaders and the Paladins of the Red Skull. Furthermore we have reliable information that along with these pirate corporations, TTI possibly allied themselves along with M3G4 as well. To Evolution whether this is true or not, we have always attacked M3G4 in the past, and will continue to do so in the future as well. |
 Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:12:00 -
[2] Due to new developements from within the Venal alliance, Evolution now finds itself in need to announce a new stance for the Evolution stike force currently within Venal. As of now all corporations who have turned against their former ally, Taggert Transdimensional Inc, we will hereby cease all hostilities with them. This means we will no longer target them, or fire on them, unless they target us first. Also for the time being, we will also remain within Venal, so long as TTI continues to make intrusions within Venal, and assist all those corporations who chose to democratically oust them. However this does not mean we have entered an alliance with them. For the time being thier enemy just happens to be our enemy. Furthermore, to all those individuals, corporations, and people who thought that we (Evolution) are just a bunch of blood thirsty dogs wanting to "Make a name for ourselves" we hereby offer this proof as to what Taggert Transdimensional Inc really stands for.
My my my, what an upstanding democratic coporation TTI is. What surprises us even more is that Taggert had won the vote to be allowed to remain within Venal by a margin of 5-7, five to have them removed and seven to have them stay. Now before most of you start to say that we did indeed buy off Jade Constantine, I will say here and now, that no money has passed, nor have we made any "Deal" with her or her corporation. From what we have been able to compile, all that has happened is that some (obviously 5) corporations within Venal finally tired of being TTI's cannon fodder. We applaud those 5 corporations who initially voted to oust TTI and pity those who voted to stay the course with them only to have the TTI blade stike thier back. Know this, we Evolution will continue in its assualt against the Corporations Taggert Transdimensional, Space Invaders and the Paladins of the Red Skull. Furthermore we have reliable information that along with these pirate corporations, TTI possibly allied themselves along with M3G4 as well. To Evolution whether this is true or not, we have always attacked M3G4 in the past, and will continue to do so in the future as well. |
 Tehel Necrona |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:26:00 -
[3] |
 Tehel Necrona Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:26:00 -
[4] |
High Priestess |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:38:00 -
[5] "Furthermore we have reliable information that along with these pirate corporations, TTI possibly allied themselves along with M3G4 as well. " Well this is certainly interesting. If its true I would say TTI is guilty. Would you mind sharing this evidence so we can form our own conclusions. Personally I feel this "bounty" on Jade is uncalled for and a shame. Especially given the vote was in their favor. But I do see they probably didn't trust their old allies after they voted to oust them so I have to take that into consideration as well. I hope someone from some corporation posts some evidence here I've yet to see anything damning about anybody that caused this war to happen in the first place. |
 High Priestess Amarr Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.01 03:38:00 -
[6] "Furthermore we have reliable information that along with these pirate corporations, TTI possibly allied themselves along with M3G4 as well. " Well this is certainly interesting. If its true I would say TTI is guilty. Would you mind sharing this evidence so we can form our own conclusions. Personally I feel this "bounty" on Jade is uncalled for and a shame. Especially given the vote was in their favor. But I do see they probably didn't trust their old allies after they voted to oust them so I have to take that into consideration as well. I hope someone from some corporation posts some evidence here I've yet to see anything damning about anybody that caused this war to happen in the first place. |
 QBall |
Posted - 2003.09.01 04:20:00 -
[7] Edited by: QBall on 01/09/2003 04:23:25 I was previously the so called "Monarch" of the Venal Alliance, I ultimitally approved/denied all memberships. If you wanted to join you contacted me. When war broke out it became impossible for me to maintain control over the alliance. So a councel was formed. What you are seeing was the heated end to the second meeting of the Venal Council made up from rep's of every corp. In our first session TTI was all but well involved in the Council, and had agreed to look into the possiblity of them leaving the alliance then coming back at a later time. Then today and the beggining of the "Venal Civil War"... Meeting took place ~20:00 EVE time, I was approched ~19:30 by Roark and Ragnar. As the previous sole leader of the alliance I had much clout with the other member, and TTI was planning to use this as a tool. The gave an indirect thread of what they intended on doing... ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Ragnar conversation Listener: QBall Session started: 2003.08.31 19:06:32 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.08.31 19:07:17 ] Ragnar > Howdy [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] QBall > hello [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] Ragnar > I am trying to get Roark in here [ 2003.08.31 19:07:36 ] QBall > i invited him [ 2003.08.31 19:07:45 ] Roark > Okay hey he is here good [ 2003.08.31 19:07:53 ] Roark > I will let Ragnar talk [ 2003.08.31 19:08:22 ] Ragnar > Okay where are you guys coming down on this vote today? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:00 ] QBall > Cyberdyne? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:44 ] Ragnar > Right [ 2003.08.31 19:09:52 ] QBall > wretch is handling the vote [ 2003.08.31 19:10:10 ] QBall > as he is CEO, and I'm pretty sure he's voting to split [ 2003.08.31 19:10:26 ] QBall > I went bar hopping last night didnt get to talk to him much [ 2003.08.31 19:10:30 ] Ragnar > He is voting to kick out TTI and SI right? [ 2003.08.31 19:10:49 ] QBall > I think so [ 2003.08.31 19:10:53 ] QBall > have to ask him though [ 2003.08.31 19:11:03 ] Ragnar > Okay just wanted to be sure. There is a rift coming and there is one side that is safe and one that is not. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:08 ] Roark > Yes that is right. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:34 ] QBall > hm... [ 2003.08.31 19:11:45 ] QBall > TTI gonna go loco on the VA if they get kicked? [ 2003.08.31 19:12:50 ] Ragnar > I just wanted to see where you stood on the matter... thanks. ...After cutting me off they both left the channel soon after. Wretch (CEO of Cyberdyne) and myself both well respect members of the Venal Alliance, took that as a direct threat upon our corperation. In the past Cyberdyne and TTI have never really seen eye to eye on matters. I personally was usually the first to warp into battle followed by wretch and everyone else, and last out. All this while TTI would camp gate, or sit in station, (exception would be Mark A and Tehel Necrona - both of whom I still respect for their merrits in battle). The ultimate problem is TTI wanted to be considered a SMALL corp when it came to defending only putting 4-5 battleships AT most into the battle (In comparison Cyberdyne has 8 members and commonly had 4 battleship in the front). But then when it came to other matters they wanted to be considered a LARGE corp "Ragnar > Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty..." Due to this arrogance of we are bigger than you, we do as we wish attitude, compounded with the 100million dollar bounty on Jade head, war was forged. This is bring's us to now. TTI has tried to muscle the alliance to do as they wish. Though current member of the alliance know that TTI can in no way actually strike at alliance member because their fleet consists of Miners with **** poor gunnery skills. Medium weapons on a Bship anyone? TTI is a financial monster with a fleet a fluffy bunnies. That attempts to force people around with money, and empty threats. This is also why they have been asking all day for Cyberdyne to region their side of the conflict, with hope's that other's would follow us back in. What this does come down to though is that Cyberdyne as well as other previous VA members are now temporarily aligned with Evolution and Xanadu on this campaign against those that do intrude upon a democratic system. Cyberdyne WILL NOT BE THREATENED without repercussions. Ragnar your arrogance burned to many bridges this time. For all the other in TTI I sincerely recommend you implore some new leadership, you are being lead by a madman. Lastly what evolution has been saying is true, TTI has offered isk for attacks upon the Fountain Alliance. -QBall Previous Leader of the Venal Region -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
 QBall Caldari Xtreme Intruders |
Posted - 2003.09.01 04:20:00 -
[8] Edited by: QBall on 01/09/2003 04:23:25 I was previously the so called "Monarch" of the Venal Alliance, I ultimitally approved/denied all memberships. If you wanted to join you contacted me. When war broke out it became impossible for me to maintain control over the alliance. So a councel was formed. What you are seeing was the heated end to the second meeting of the Venal Council made up from rep's of every corp. In our first session TTI was all but well involved in the Council, and had agreed to look into the possiblity of them leaving the alliance then coming back at a later time. Then today and the beggining of the "Venal Civil War"... Meeting took place ~20:00 EVE time, I was approched ~19:30 by Roark and Ragnar. As the previous sole leader of the alliance I had much clout with the other member, and TTI was planning to use this as a tool. The gave an indirect thread of what they intended on doing... ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Ragnar conversation Listener: QBall Session started: 2003.08.31 19:06:32 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2003.08.31 19:07:17 ] Ragnar > Howdy [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] QBall > hello [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] Ragnar > I am trying to get Roark in here [ 2003.08.31 19:07:36 ] QBall > i invited him [ 2003.08.31 19:07:45 ] Roark > Okay hey he is here good [ 2003.08.31 19:07:53 ] Roark > I will let Ragnar talk [ 2003.08.31 19:08:22 ] Ragnar > Okay where are you guys coming down on this vote today? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:00 ] QBall > Cyberdyne? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:44 ] Ragnar > Right [ 2003.08.31 19:09:52 ] QBall > wretch is handling the vote [ 2003.08.31 19:10:10 ] QBall > as he is CEO, and I'm pretty sure he's voting to split [ 2003.08.31 19:10:26 ] QBall > I went bar hopping last night didnt get to talk to him much [ 2003.08.31 19:10:30 ] Ragnar > He is voting to kick out TTI and SI right? [ 2003.08.31 19:10:49 ] QBall > I think so [ 2003.08.31 19:10:53 ] QBall > have to ask him though [ 2003.08.31 19:11:03 ] Ragnar > Okay just wanted to be sure. There is a rift coming and there is one side that is safe and one that is not. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:08 ] Roark > Yes that is right. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:34 ] QBall > hm... [ 2003.08.31 19:11:45 ] QBall > TTI gonna go loco on the VA if they get kicked? [ 2003.08.31 19:12:50 ] Ragnar > I just wanted to see where you stood on the matter... thanks. ...After cutting me off they both left the channel soon after. Wretch (CEO of Cyberdyne) and myself both well respect members of the Venal Alliance, took that as a direct threat upon our corperation. In the past Cyberdyne and TTI have never really seen eye to eye on matters. I personally was usually the first to warp into battle followed by wretch and everyone else, and last out. All this while TTI would camp gate, or sit in station, (exception would be Mark A and Tehel Necrona - both of whom I still respect for their merrits in battle). The ultimate problem is TTI wanted to be considered a SMALL corp when it came to defending only putting 4-5 battleships AT most into the battle (In comparison Cyberdyne has 8 members and commonly had 4 battleship in the front). But then when it came to other matters they wanted to be considered a LARGE corp "Ragnar > Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty..." Due to this arrogance of we are bigger than you, we do as we wish attitude, compounded with the 100million dollar bounty on Jade head, war was forged. This is bring's us to now. TTI has tried to muscle the alliance to do as they wish. Though current member of the alliance know that TTI can in no way actually strike at alliance member because their fleet consists of Miners with **** poor gunnery skills. Medium weapons on a Bship anyone? TTI is a financial monster with a fleet a fluffy bunnies. That attempts to force people around with money, and empty threats. This is also why they have been asking all day for Cyberdyne to region their side of the conflict, with hope's that other's would follow us back in. What this does come down to though is that Cyberdyne as well as other previous VA members are now temporarily aligned with Evolution and Xanadu on this campaign against those that do intrude upon a democratic system. Cyberdyne WILL NOT BE THREATENED without repercussions. Ragnar your arrogance burned to many bridges this time. For all the other in TTI I sincerely recommend you implore some new leadership, you are being lead by a madman. Lastly what evolution has been saying is true, TTI has offered isk for attacks upon the Fountain Alliance. -QBall Previous Leader of the Venal Region -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
Ends |
Posted - 2003.09.01 06:28:00 -
[9] Lol the whole thing is very simple. Evolution still wants Venal. TTI is just a convient face to put on the conquest. Just as they chose the "safety" of the fountain to take it over with, they choose to fight the "Great Evil" of TTI as a way of expanding their control. I am no fan of TTI at all. But if Evolution takes that area over under another false pretense the entire community needs to stand together and just plain old fashioned kill them when they pick the next region to take over. Neither side is a saint, but Evolution is going to try to eat everything dumb every dumb enough to buy their dipolmatic stalling while they consolidate a position. Fooled once shame on you, fooled twice shame on me. |
 Ends Ends Journey |
Posted - 2003.09.01 06:28:00 -
[10] Lol the whole thing is very simple. Evolution still wants Venal. TTI is just a convient face to put on the conquest. Just as they chose the "safety" of the fountain to take it over with, they choose to fight the "Great Evil" of TTI as a way of expanding their control. I am no fan of TTI at all. But if Evolution takes that area over under another false pretense the entire community needs to stand together and just plain old fashioned kill them when they pick the next region to take over. Neither side is a saint, but Evolution is going to try to eat everything dumb every dumb enough to buy their dipolmatic stalling while they consolidate a position. Fooled once shame on you, fooled twice shame on me. |
QBall |
Posted - 2003.09.01 06:34:00 -
[11] Right about doesn't matter if they end up screwing us in the end as long as TTI goes down hard. Btw 10 megacorp showed up, right where TTI was being blockaded, yah thats not planned out or anything hahahaha. -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
QBall Caldari Xtreme Intruders |
Posted - 2003.09.01 06:34:00 -
[12] Right about doesn't matter if they end up screwing us in the end as long as TTI goes down hard. Btw 10 megacorp showed up, right where TTI was being blockaded, yah thats not planned out or anything hahahaha. -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
 Homo Erectus |
Posted - 2003.09.01 07:52:00 -
[13] ends, evolution doesn't care about venal. |
 Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution |
Posted - 2003.09.01 07:52:00 -
[14] ends, evolution doesn't care about venal. |
 Rebellion |
Posted - 2003.09.01 08:46:00 -
[15] Edited by: Rebellion on 01/09/2003 08:47:33 Evolution has no designs on Venal as we have ample sources to get the commodities that we need. We are not a big group and every one of us manages to live frugally. If we have opportunities to profit from Venal while we are there we will, this is why some of us were mining bistot while waiting for TTI ships or allies to come out. We are not motivated by greed. This war is one of vengeance. TTI secretly placed bounties on my brethren, they will pay in blood. The turn of events did come as a surprise to me. I had assumed that Venal's corporations that were allied with TTI knew what sort of value TTI placed on matters. If they had accepted TTI into an alliance knowing it for what it is then I would expect them to position themselves between us and our target indefinitely. Because a war alliance with TTI means that you do the fighting while they reap the profits. We have had first hand experience with this in the past while in an earlier stage of our evolution. We had indeed been preparing to escalate our hostilities against TTI and Venal so it is most fortuitous that TTI has shown its colors. We would not have to deal with Venal corporations and they will not have to fight us. This leaves us able to focus on our target alone. Complex situations are taxing, we like things simple. The number of people who fought us is a tragedy in my eyes as it did not need to happen. Rest assured that we will no longer attack you for as long as you no longer stand between us and our target. If Venal stages a full scale war on TTI I can undertand the motivations. We hold no grudges against Venal for the losses that we have incurred as I believe that to do so would be bad form given they are also victims of this war. Apparently if one calls to mind the logs long ago of TTI's attitude towards their Venal allies when we appeared in Venal, TTI had intended to come out on the top of this situation. As we inflicted losses on their Venal allies they would minimize their own losses and when the time comes for a reckoning they would be able to strongarm the depleted corporations of Venal into knowing acception of subservience. It appears they have overplayed their hand. I have mostly been silent as people have attempted to sling mud upon our reasons for going to war. I have also maintained silence as others attempted to erode our Fountain Alliance partners' confidence in us by interrupting their business. This is because both efforts would not have mattered in the conflict. We war with TTI for our own reasons, those who choose to fight with us do so of their own volition and we are appreciative. We do not demand our allies to protect us while we pursue our own goals that offer little benefit to them. We would fight even if we are alone, even if we lose all our battleships, even if we have to fight in frigates. We can lose everything and still fight with the same fervor because both our weapon and our shield is our faith in our brethren. Venal can rest assured of the cessation of hostilities from our part, but we are still going after TTI. |
 Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.01 08:46:00 -
[16] Edited by: Rebellion on 01/09/2003 08:47:33 Evolution has no designs on Venal as we have ample sources to get the commodities that we need. We are not a big group and every one of us manages to live frugally. If we have opportunities to profit from Venal while we are there we will, this is why some of us were mining bistot while waiting for TTI ships or allies to come out. We are not motivated by greed. This war is one of vengeance. TTI secretly placed bounties on my brethren, they will pay in blood. The turn of events did come as a surprise to me. I had assumed that Venal's corporations that were allied with TTI knew what sort of value TTI placed on matters. If they had accepted TTI into an alliance knowing it for what it is then I would expect them to position themselves between us and our target indefinitely. Because a war alliance with TTI means that you do the fighting while they reap the profits. We have had first hand experience with this in the past while in an earlier stage of our evolution. We had indeed been preparing to escalate our hostilities against TTI and Venal so it is most fortuitous that TTI has shown its colors. We would not have to deal with Venal corporations and they will not have to fight us. This leaves us able to focus on our target alone. Complex situations are taxing, we like things simple. The number of people who fought us is a tragedy in my eyes as it did not need to happen. Rest assured that we will no longer attack you for as long as you no longer stand between us and our target. If Venal stages a full scale war on TTI I can undertand the motivations. We hold no grudges against Venal for the losses that we have incurred as I believe that to do so would be bad form given they are also victims of this war. Apparently if one calls to mind the logs long ago of TTI's attitude towards their Venal allies when we appeared in Venal, TTI had intended to come out on the top of this situation. As we inflicted losses on their Venal allies they would minimize their own losses and when the time comes for a reckoning they would be able to strongarm the depleted corporations of Venal into knowing acception of subservience. It appears they have overplayed their hand. I have mostly been silent as people have attempted to sling mud upon our reasons for going to war. I have also maintained silence as others attempted to erode our Fountain Alliance partners' confidence in us by interrupting their business. This is because both efforts would not have mattered in the conflict. We war with TTI for our own reasons, those who choose to fight with us do so of their own volition and we are appreciative. We do not demand our allies to protect us while we pursue our own goals that offer little benefit to them. We would fight even if we are alone, even if we lose all our battleships, even if we have to fight in frigates. We can lose everything and still fight with the same fervor because both our weapon and our shield is our faith in our brethren. Venal can rest assured of the cessation of hostilities from our part, but we are still going after TTI. |
 Wolf Leader |
Posted - 2003.09.01 16:27:00 -
[17] O.o im confused. I took a day off from my duties as a ninja and everything explodes. Who do i kill auggghhhhh it hurts.......blackness....closing in... But im a nice guy..... |
 Wolf Leader Caldari BIG |
Posted - 2003.09.01 16:27:00 -
[18] O.o im confused. I took a day off from my duties as a ninja and everything explodes. Who do i kill auggghhhhh it hurts.......blackness....closing in... But im a nice guy..... |
Tehel Necrona |
Posted - 2003.09.01 18:06:00 -
[19]
Tell me about it Wolf, were down here facing 15 bs's nightly and them lot buckle under the pressure of a small invasion force. Makes me sick i tell ya :p -Necro |
Tehel Necrona Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2003.09.01 18:06:00 -
[20]
Tell me about it Wolf, were down here facing 15 bs's nightly and them lot buckle under the pressure of a small invasion force. Makes me sick i tell ya :p -Necro |
 Yatar Kindoki |
Posted - 2003.09.01 18:56:00 -
[21] I'm still not sure what happened. And frankly, I couldn't care less about TTI's decision to split with VA. What I don't understand is, is how Space Invaders got involved in this. I've heard several rumors, of which one being that Space Invaders was given the choice by the VA council, to either quit pirating or leave the alliance. This was also supposedly part of a deal with the invading force (EVO/XAN). Now I know there's some other rumors that contradict the above. So by all means, explain to me what really happened, someone has to know, right? |
 Yatar Kindoki Caldari H.Y.D.R.A. |
Posted - 2003.09.01 18:56:00 -
[22] I'm still not sure what happened. And frankly, I couldn't care less about TTI's decision to split with VA. What I don't understand is, is how Space Invaders got involved in this. I've heard several rumors, of which one being that Space Invaders was given the choice by the VA council, to either quit pirating or leave the alliance. This was also supposedly part of a deal with the invading force (EVO/XAN). Now I know there's some other rumors that contradict the above. So by all means, explain to me what really happened, someone has to know, right? |
 Jade Constantine |
Posted - 2003.09.01 19:44:00 -
[23] Monsieur Yatar, Monsieur Wolf of the Space Invaders. Taggart are currently working overtime on spreading disinformation about what actually happened. I will be happy to speak with you directly and give you the truth. Jade JF Public Forum |
 Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2003.09.01 19:44:00 -
[24] Monsieur Yatar, Monsieur Wolf of the Space Invaders. Taggart are currently working overtime on spreading disinformation about what actually happened. I will be happy to speak with you directly and give you the truth. Jade JF Public Forum |
Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.09.01 19:55:00 -
[25] Yatar Or... I can sell you complete transcripts of the last two VA Council meetings for 10 mil ISK each. Highway robbery some might claim, but i found them worth every isk.  (The bit where yuo can hear the poor guys from KIA literally gagging in shock at Ragnar's statement is... well... something that ya just cant act out or describe in words... "gutted" is the only phrase that comes to mind) |
 Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.09.01 19:55:00 -
[26] Yatar Or... I can sell you complete transcripts of the last two VA Council meetings for 10 mil ISK each. Highway robbery some might claim, but i found them worth every isk. (The bit where yuo can hear the poor guys from KIA literally gagging in shock at Ragnar's statement is... well... something that ya just cant act out or describe in words... "gutted" is the only phrase that comes to mind) |
 Tehel Necrona |
Posted - 2003.09.01 20:02:00 -
[27]
Oh indeed i'm sure you will. Part of the offer asked that The Piratcal corps within Venal stopped performing such activities. This is like asking miners to not mine or be slaughtered. -Necro |
Tehel Necrona Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2003.09.01 20:02:00 -
[28]
Oh indeed i'm sure you will. Part of the offer asked that The Piratcal corps within Venal stopped performing such activities. This is like asking miners to not mine or be slaughtered. -Necro |
 Jade Constantine |
Posted - 2003.09.01 21:11:00 -
[29] Do you doubt I will tell them the truth? Love and peace (and Ragnar's head on a spike) JF Public Forum |
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2003.09.01 21:11:00 -
[30] Do you doubt I will tell them the truth? Love and peace (and Ragnar's head on a spike) JF Public Forum |
Tehel Necrona |
Posted - 2003.09.01 22:35:00 -
[31]
Very much so. |
Tehel Necrona Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2003.09.01 22:35:00 -
[32]
Very much so. |
 Art Dillinja |
Posted - 2003.09.01 23:12:00 -
[33]
If you read this you will see a reply i made with all the information you are asking for. First hand. I should know. This also goes to the persons who still try to spread rumours about "what really happened". |
 Art Dillinja Caldari XanCom |
Posted - 2003.09.01 23:12:00 -
[34]
If you read this you will see a reply i made with all the information you are asking for. First hand. I should know. This also goes to the persons who still try to spread rumours about "what really happened". |
 The Red |
Posted - 2003.09.03 12:00:00 -
[35] Edited by: The Red on 03/09/2003 12:00:46  I think CCP should release a comic series based on the scandal. From prologue to epilogue you could have a good short series. I think 20-25 comics would suffice. All the major characters.... Plot twists... Drama...Maybe then we'd all know what the hell was going on.  "Progedere Ne Regedere: Move forwards, not backwards..." -The Red <Progredere Ne Regredere: Move forward, not backward> |
 The Red Minmatar Foundation |
Posted - 2003.09.03 12:00:00 -
[36] Edited by: The Red on 03/09/2003 12:00:46 I think CCP should release a comic series based on the scandal. From prologue to epilogue you could have a good short series. I think 20-25 comics would suffice. All the major characters.... Plot twists... Drama...Maybe then we'd all know what the hell was going on. "Progedere Ne Regedere: Move forwards, not backwards..." -The Red "Reuniting you with your clone since 2003" |
Redan Chulipa |
Posted - 2003.09.03 13:08:00 -
[37] My thinking and every sane persons too is that Evolution will move in on Venal once and if TTI is removed. Why wouldn't they? Venal is easier defended than Fountain, closer to jovian space and holds more systems. I forsee Venal to be a battleground still months from now. |
 Redan Chulipa Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 13:08:00 -
[38] My thinking and every sane persons too is that Evolution will move in on Venal once and if TTI is removed. Why wouldn't they? Venal is easier defended than Fountain, closer to jovian space and holds more systems. I forsee Venal to be a battleground still months from now. |
Revolution |
Posted - 2003.09.03 13:56:00 -
[39] We dont want venal, it has poor resources. |
 Revolution Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.03 13:56:00 -
[40] We dont want venal, it has poor resources. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 14:59:00 -
[41] Riiight, Evolution again showed they're little more than senseless playerkillers today, hence your word means nothing. |
 Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 14:59:00 -
[42] Riiight, Evolution again showed they're little more than senseless playerkillers today, hence your word means nothing. |
Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 15:13:00 -
[43] You came into Venal with the intent to be killed in your little Velator ship. Since you know the forums, you know the place is a warzone. Yet even when a warning shot was fired, and you were not warp scrambled, you proceeded to approach us. Well you paid for it. Strokes Uma's corpse.  Flatliner. |
 Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 15:13:00 -
[44] You came into Venal with the intent to be killed in your little Velator ship. Since you know the forums, you know the place is a warzone. Yet even when a warning shot was fired, and you were not warp scrambled, you proceeded to approach us. Well you paid for it. Strokes Uma's corpse. Flatliner. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 15:34:00 -
[45] Liar, there were no warningshot, the first shot sent me for the nearest planet to find that I was scrambled and not only shot down but indeed overkill was a must to achieve the glorious podkill that makes a lowlife such as yourself giggle.  |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 15:34:00 -
[46] Liar, there were no warningshot, the first shot sent me for the nearest planet to find that I was scrambled and not only shot down but indeed overkill was a must to achieve the glorious podkill that makes a lowlife such as yourself giggle. |
Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:08:00 -
[47] Yes yes, its all lies isnt it. Evo are liar's and thugs and player killers. Yet here you are immediately after you died flaming us on the forums, yes you knew what you was doing to get sympathy for TTI. Im sure those with sense know what happened to. Anyway, cry me a river, like I care. Strokes Uma's corpse. Flatliner. |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:08:00 -
[48] Yes yes, its all lies isnt it. Evo are liar's and thugs and player killers. Yet here you are immediately after you died flaming us on the forums, yes you knew what you was doing to get sympathy for TTI. Im sure those with sense know what happened to. Anyway, cry me a river, like I care. Strokes Uma's corpse. Flatliner. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:28:00 -
[49] Tell me then what were you firing warningshots at with what weapon? Like you care, how correct indeed, you don't care, you're just a mindless playerkiller drone and where did I insert any glorious remarks about TTI in all of this?  |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:28:00 -
[50] Tell me then what were you firing warningshots at with what weapon? Like you care, how correct indeed, you don't care, you're just a mindless playerkiller drone and where did I insert any glorious remarks about TTI in all of this? |
Sedsiss |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:33:00 -
[51] Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:36:43 You sure fled fast in a scrambled velator Uma, but fleeing towards Flat really isn't a good idea.What the hell were you doing in Venal in a velator besides trying to drum up support for a lost cause? Get a life, mindless crier
go find Princess Yaka and High Priestess, i'm sure you can start a crying club. |
 Sedsiss Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:33:00 -
[52] Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:36:43 You sure fled fast in a scrambled velator Uma, but fleeing towards Flat really isn't a good idea.What the hell were you doing in Venal in a velator besides trying to drum up support for a lost cause? Get a life, mindless crier
go find Princess Yaka and High Priestess, i'm sure you can start a crying club. |
High Priestess |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:34:00 -
[53] Another accidental "murder" Evolution? |
High Priestess Amarr Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:34:00 -
[54] Another accidental "murder" Evolution? |
Sedsiss |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:38:00 -
[55] Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:39:41 Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:39:07 No Priestess, we lured her into Venal with our megacyte on a string routine, then murdered her and threw her carcase in the oven for our heathen feast tonight. Edit: Note Priestess, you can't remote link a sig from Geocities, won't work. You need to find another free host. Try http://img.villagephotos.com/  |
Sedsiss Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:38:00 -
[56] Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:39:41 Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/09/2003 16:39:07 No Priestess, we lured her into Venal with our megacyte on a string routine, then murdered her and threw her carcase in the oven for our heathen feast tonight. Edit: Note Priestess, you can't remote link a sig from Geocities, won't work. You need to find another free host. Try http://img.villagephotos.com/ |
Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:39:00 -
[57] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 16:46:22 Seems pretty obvious to me your out to spread doubt of our intentions in Venal and word for 3 reasons, as follows. 1. The first post you put in, happens to be in Our standings in Venal. 2. In the post, you mention - Quote " Evolution again" Has there been a first time?, different alt? 3. Quote "hence your word means nothing." Trying to get people to doubt us? And yes a warning shot was fired by the ship behind me, you still proceeded to approach, by which time I did lock you, your shield had gone. So anyway we know you aint with us here, have to assume your a spy or scout. Scrambled, Dead. If you don't wish to be an innocent victim as you claim to be, do not enter a warzone. Nuff said, time to stroke the corpse. Regards, your friendly thug/pirate/player killer/lowlife, out of breath hang on, Seal clubber/stalker, Flatliner. |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:39:00 -
[58] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 16:46:22 Seems pretty obvious to me your out to spread doubt of our intentions in Venal and word for 3 reasons, as follows. 1. The first post you put in, happens to be in Our standings in Venal. 2. In the post, you mention - Quote " Evolution again" Has there been a first time?, different alt? 3. Quote "hence your word means nothing." Trying to get people to doubt us? And yes a warning shot was fired by the ship behind me, you still proceeded to approach, by which time I did lock you, your shield had gone. So anyway we know you aint with us here, have to assume your a spy or scout. Scrambled, Dead. If you don't wish to be an innocent victim as you claim to be, do not enter a warzone. Nuff said, time to stroke the corpse. Regards, your friendly thug/pirate/player killer/lowlife, out of breath hang on, Seal clubber/stalker, Flatliner. |
High Priestess |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:43:00 -
[59] Sedesis, Isnt my sig showing up? |
High Priestess Amarr Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:43:00 -
[60] Sedesis, Isnt my sig showing up? |
Mordessa |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:45:00 -
[61]
God you *****! you scream at us to provide proof, and then when someone comes around and says "Evolution killed and podded me." You jump up and scream that we are all a bunch of mindless podding murderers, why aren't you crying give me proof here? Better yet why arent you asking her what the hell she was doing in a VERY WELL KNOWN WAR-ZONE in a NOOB ship????? I am so sick of your one-sided posting its making me sick. |
Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:45:00 -
[62]
God you *****! you scream at us to provide proof, and then when someone comes around and says "Evolution killed and podded me." You jump up and scream that we are all a bunch of mindless podding murderers, why aren't you crying give me proof here? Better yet why arent you asking her what the hell she was doing in a VERY WELL KNOWN WAR-ZONE in a NOOB ship????? I am so sick of your one-sided posting its making me sick. |
 Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:52:00 -
[63] Yes them posts do make it all one track mind Mordessa heh. But still it's fun :) I like the way it add's content to the game. Yet some seem intent to remove it ie; "scope", one does wonder why anyone would want to stop this game going forward, except for their own selfish reasons. Regards, the murderer, Flatliner. Just some of the funky names im called. Keep em coming peeps. |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 16:52:00 -
[64] Yes them posts do make it all one track mind Mordessa heh. But still it's fun :) I like the way it add's content to the game. Yet some seem intent to remove it ie; "scope", one does wonder why anyone would want to stop this game going forward, except for their own selfish reasons. Regards, the murderer, Flatliner. Just some of the funky names im called. Keep em coming peeps. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:12:00 -
[65] Edited by: Uma Kruytls on 03/09/2003 17:16:31 I went to Venal in the velator pretty sure of what reaction I would get if I encountered Evolution, as I've read in numerous posts how Evolution much like the other pirate corps out there doesn't bother communicating but kill on sight. That's why I only went in the velator, get it, anything else would be wasting money. As for warningshots I'm still curious as to what you were aiming at since I'm not familiar with some gun firing at empty space. The verbal warning was too hard for you, was I closing in on the station too fast?? Are we perhaps a declared ally of TTI or any others in this conflict? Have we not denounced the VAs claims to Venal before, with TTI in it at the time. In perticular due to them housing corporations bent on piracy. Just face it, you're not very good at politics and driving a wedge between TTI and the rest was pretty much their own doing. When I see a classy act on your part I'll recognize it, till then you're just what you're fighting. |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:12:00 -
[66] Edited by: Uma Kruytls on 03/09/2003 17:16:31 I went to Venal in the velator pretty sure of what reaction I would get if I encountered Evolution, as I've read in numerous posts how Evolution much like the other pirate corps out there doesn't bother communicating but kill on sight. That's why I only went in the velator, get it, anything else would be wasting money. As for warningshots I'm still curious as to what you were aiming at since I'm not familiar with some gun firing at empty space. The verbal warning was too hard for you, was I closing in on the station too fast?? Are we perhaps a declared ally of TTI or any others in this conflict? Have we not denounced the VAs claims to Venal before, with TTI in it at the time. In perticular due to them housing corporations bent on piracy. Just face it, you're not very good at politics and driving a wedge between TTI and the rest was pretty much their own doing. When I see a classy act on your part I'll recognize it, till then you're just what you're fighting. |
 Horza Gobulchul |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:30:00 -
[67] Ok, things are clear then. You came in Velator because you knew the rules. As you expected, you died. Not a matter of discussion. |
 Horza Gobulchul Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:30:00 -
[68] Ok, things are clear then. You came in Velator because you knew the rules. As you expected, you died. Not a matter of discussion. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:48:00 -
[69] What rules? I knew your reputation as preprogrammed playerkillers, is that a written requirement for membership of Evolution? |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 17:48:00 -
[70] What rules? I knew your reputation as preprogrammed playerkillers, is that a written requirement for membership of Evolution? |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:04:00 -
[71] Why do you keep pushing this? You knew you were going to die when you went there. I can see you've been in here before. You admit that you knew what would happen. You approached a blockade being held by people you knew would kill you. I don't see why you are even in here *****ing at them since you obviously wanted to die so you would have a reason to whine. As YOU said, using a different ship to die in was a waste of money. So you had the intention of dying as you went there. Stop posting. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
 Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:04:00 -
[72] Why do you keep pushing this? You knew you were going to die when you went there. I can see you've been in here before. You admit that you knew what would happen. You approached a blockade being held by people you knew would kill you. I don't see why you are even in here *****ing at them since you obviously wanted to die so you would have a reason to whine. As YOU said, using a different ship to die in was a waste of money. So you had the intention of dying as you went there. Stop posting. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Gafton |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:11:00 -
[73] Ok Uma, you have nothing to complain about. You came into venal with the intent and purpose to die. You got scrambled, that means that the ship that scrambled you had enough time to target you as well (that's your warning shot). If you're dumb enough to stick around while a bship (i assume?) targets you, then death is what you deserve. You also knew venal is a total warzone right now. This means you state your intentions before jumping to a gate or station, and fly around very carefully. If evo didnt kill you, mega, si, or tti would have done so, as they're under the same orders as evo and company. Rules of engagement right now are shoot first, ask questions later. This goes for both sides in this conflict. Be thankful you were half smart enough to come up in a noob ship, as you would have gotten the same responce if you were in another. Here's a quote I think you may like: "idiots are only alive because it's illegal to shoot them" Only this time it was legal (thankfully). So my suggestion to you now Uma, is to invest in a clone that's smarter than your current, and then proceed to kill yourself. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
 Gafton RAPT0R'S |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:11:00 -
[74] Ok Uma, you have nothing to complain about. You came into venal with the intent and purpose to die. You got scrambled, that means that the ship that scrambled you had enough time to target you as well (that's your warning shot). If you're dumb enough to stick around while a bship (i assume?) targets you, then death is what you deserve. You also knew venal is a total warzone right now. This means you state your intentions before jumping to a gate or station, and fly around very carefully. If evo didnt kill you, mega, si, or tti would have done so, as they're under the same orders as evo and company. Rules of engagement right now are shoot first, ask questions later. This goes for both sides in this conflict. Be thankful you were half smart enough to come up in a noob ship, as you would have gotten the same responce if you were in another. Here's a quote I think you may like: "idiots are only alive because it's illegal to shoot them" Only this time it was legal (thankfully). So my suggestion to you now Uma, is to invest in a clone that's smarter than your current, and then proceed to kill yourself. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Gafton |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:12:00 -
[75] lol hi fal :) Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Gafton RAPT0R'S |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:12:00 -
[76] lol hi fal :) Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:18:00 -
[77] I like the quote gafton, where'd ya get it ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 18:18:00 -
[78] I like the quote gafton, where'd ya get it ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
 Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:13:00 -
[79] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:25:09 Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:24:48 Heh looking at your recent posts, guess I was right, you are out to slander us. But im sure everyone else see's you for what you are. I rest my case. Btw, im beginning to enjoy having this corpse now. Infact im stroking it now Keep trying TTI puppets, what you can't win by war, you try sending n00bs or alts to their deaths to win sympathy for your damaged reputation. Regards, killer of TTI puppets, Flatliner. PS, you can kill players in this game, I know, I read it on the back of a matchbox  |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:13:00 -
[80] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:25:09 Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:24:48 Heh looking at your recent posts, guess I was right, you are out to slander us. But im sure everyone else see's you for what you are. I rest my case. Btw, im beginning to enjoy having this corpse now. Infact im stroking it now Keep trying TTI puppets, what you can't win by war, you try sending n00bs or alts to their deaths to win sympathy for your damaged reputation. Regards, killer of TTI puppets, Flatliner. PS, you can kill players in this game, I know, I read it on the back of a matchbox |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:26:00 -
[81] Eh, with all that stroking, i think you should put a disclaimer in your sig "Not a necrophiliac" . . . unless you are, then just ignore my statement.  ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:26:00 -
[82] Eh, with all that stroking, i think you should put a disclaimer in your sig "Not a necrophiliac" . . . unless you are, then just ignore my statement. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:27:00 -
[83] My intentions are my own, your guesswork is as good as your peopleskills it would seem. Evolution defending Venal space indeed show that they're already putting the next step in motion, that is taking over Venal and ousting the NVA right after TTI is disposed of. Had you even put forth one good reason as to why I was shot down I'm sure I would've understood but there is none, there's only triggerhappy playerkillers collecting bodies, no matter if they're part of the conflict or not. Had I warped smack into the fray of battle there had been no issues but this was not so. |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:27:00 -
[84] My intentions are my own, your guesswork is as good as your peopleskills it would seem. Evolution defending Venal space indeed show that they're already putting the next step in motion, that is taking over Venal and ousting the NVA right after TTI is disposed of. Had you even put forth one good reason as to why I was shot down I'm sure I would've understood but there is none, there's only triggerhappy playerkillers collecting bodies, no matter if they're part of the conflict or not. Had I warped smack into the fray of battle there had been no issues but this was not so. |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:44:00 -
[85] Edited by: Falnaerith on 03/09/2003 19:44:41 So you warped into a zone with a blockade. (Idiot) Instead of warping out right away while you were non-targetable, you stayed. Then you stayed long enough for them to target you and shoot you. FURTHERMORE you stuck around after being shot at, long enough for your pod to be targetted and shot at again. Hmm, good reason. Gee, can't seem to think of one. Oh, wait! Here's one: Blockades kill ships trying to get through. THUS it's NOT a good idea to keep heading towards whatever they are guarding. ----------------------- Now you say that you attempted to escape after being shot at, yet earlier you said you went up there in a noob ship so you wouldn't lose any money when you died. Thus proving that you knew the area was hostile, and they would kill you. Further, you flew that ship into a blockade in hostile space, and after you died, STILL didn't warp out, instead stayed long enough to be targetted and podded. Now IF you actually attempted to escape to a planet, you would have easily been able to after your ship was destroyed, yet you stayed. I'd rant and call you names now, but I don't think it's necessary as people already know what you are, and it is useless to continue in this venture. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:44:00 -
[86] Edited by: Falnaerith on 03/09/2003 19:44:41 So you warped into a zone with a blockade. (Idiot) Instead of warping out right away while you were non-targetable, you stayed. Then you stayed long enough for them to target you and shoot you. FURTHERMORE you stuck around after being shot at, long enough for your pod to be targetted and shot at again. Hmm, good reason. Gee, can't seem to think of one. Oh, wait! Here's one: Blockades kill ships trying to get through. THUS it's NOT a good idea to keep heading towards whatever they are guarding. ----------------------- Now you say that you attempted to escape after being shot at, yet earlier you said you went up there in a noob ship so you wouldn't lose any money when you died. Thus proving that you knew the area was hostile, and they would kill you. Further, you flew that ship into a blockade in hostile space, and after you died, STILL didn't warp out, instead stayed long enough to be targetted and podded. Now IF you actually attempted to escape to a planet, you would have easily been able to after your ship was destroyed, yet you stayed. I'd rant and call you names now, but I don't think it's necessary as people already know what you are, and it is useless to continue in this venture. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
minesweeper |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:45:00 -
[87] Of course the fact that TTI and m3g4 and friends have been using scouts in nebwiecorporations before right before mounting an assault or to see how many ships we have where does not matter at all. We should let them use the game mechanics in using an alt in newbie characters to safely scout battle areas. |
 minesweeper |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:45:00 -
[88] Of course the fact that TTI and m3g4 and friends have been using scouts in nebwiecorporations before right before mounting an assault or to see how many ships we have where does not matter at all. We should let them use the game mechanics in using an alt in newbie characters to safely scout battle areas. |
Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:47:00 -
[89] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:48:16 Im in a n00b ship. Wtf am I doing in 0.0 space. Omfg the forums are right. WARZONE!. Hrrm he fired at me, he fired waahh. Now to accomplish my mission where I die. Approaches closer. Waaah he got my corpse and gonna stroke it. If you can't figure out why you were fired on, in a warzone at a blockade. A place where both sides use n00b corps or small corps as infiltrators or spies. Then you have a lot to learn. Stay in empire space or something. Better still, hit self destruct now. In space nobody can hear you scream, cept on here Flatliner. |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:47:00 -
[90] Edited by: Flatliner on 03/09/2003 19:48:16 Im in a n00b ship. Wtf am I doing in 0.0 space. Omfg the forums are right. WARZONE!. Hrrm he fired at me, he fired waahh. Now to accomplish my mission where I die. Approaches closer. Waaah he got my corpse and gonna stroke it. If you can't figure out why you were fired on, in a warzone at a blockade. A place where both sides use n00b corps or small corps as infiltrators or spies. Then you have a lot to learn. Stay in empire space or something. Better still, hit self destruct now. In space nobody can hear you scream, cept on here Flatliner. |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:49:00 -
[91] Naw, i'd say more like squeal in here. This thread at least. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:49:00 -
[92] Naw, i'd say more like squeal in here. This thread at least. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Sedsiss |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:54:00 -
[93] Priestess: No, it's not showing up. Geocities does not allow remote linking, so you'll need another host in order for anyone else to see it. |
Sedsiss Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.09.03 19:54:00 -
[94] Priestess: No, it's not showing up. Geocities does not allow remote linking, so you'll need another host in order for anyone else to see it. |
Uma Kruytls |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:02:00 -
[95] If I were indeed an alt for the sole purpose of scouting the area what did they possibly gain by shooting me down before making sure this was a fact? I had already seen the two ships outside of the station and made no attempt to hide. Wouldn't it have been smarter to wait and see if the velator was going to blow them out of the vacuum or bring in hostile ships before assuming too much and work on a self-fullfilling prophecy? A blockade doesn't equal a kill 'em all zone, unless you're the likes of M0o so please, stop handing me this free material, I can hardly gain a proper understanding of your actions if you insist on being cattle. We're not allied to TTI and would never consider siding with l33ts such as M3G4, also we have no love for Space Invaders for their very similar senseless killing of another of our members. Would it be so terrible had you gotten this confirmed the proper way through ingame communication and trust in people not already proven not to be worthy of this? What could I possibly have gotten the people in station in a velator? What you gained now instead is a bit of bad public relations. |
Uma Kruytls Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:02:00 -
[96] If I were indeed an alt for the sole purpose of scouting the area what did they possibly gain by shooting me down before making sure this was a fact? I had already seen the two ships outside of the station and made no attempt to hide. Wouldn't it have been smarter to wait and see if the velator was going to blow them out of the vacuum or bring in hostile ships before assuming too much and work on a self-fullfilling prophecy? A blockade doesn't equal a kill 'em all zone, unless you're the likes of M0o so please, stop handing me this free material, I can hardly gain a proper understanding of your actions if you insist on being cattle. We're not allied to TTI and would never consider siding with l33ts such as M3G4, also we have no love for Space Invaders for their very similar senseless killing of another of our members. Would it be so terrible had you gotten this confirmed the proper way through ingame communication and trust in people not already proven not to be worthy of this? What could I possibly have gotten the people in station in a velator? What you gained now instead is a bit of bad public relations. |
Zagum Darkfin |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:26:00 -
[97] /YAWN |
 Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:26:00 -
[98] /YAWN |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:29:00 -
[99] I'd have to agree here, your elitist 'should've known what we may be crazy enough to do just 'cause we can' attitude is doing you no good. Convert Stations |
 Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:29:00 -
[100] I'd have to agree here, your elitist 'should've known what we may be crazy enough to do just 'cause we can' attitude is doing you no good. Also Known As |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:34:00 -
[101]
Agreed. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:34:00 -
[102]
Agreed. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
 Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:39:00 -
[103] Tired from sitting and watching as Evolution take over Venal are we? Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:39:00 -
[104] Tired from sitting and watching as Evolution take over Venal are we? Also Known As |
Falnaerith |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:50:00 -
[105] Seems all the dirty farmers from Rasa are showing up to sow dissent. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Falnaerith Caldari Just-fun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:50:00 -
[106] Seems all the dirty farmers from Rasa are showing up to sow dissent. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:59:00 -
[107] It only seems that way 'cause you insist on defending senseless killing of undeclared travellers posing no threat, in regions in which you claim to have no claims... Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 20:59:00 -
[108] It only seems that way 'cause you insist on defending senseless killing of undeclared travellers posing no threat, in regions in which you claim to have no claims... Also Known As |
Mordessa |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:03:00 -
[109]
What could you have possibly gotten the people in station in a Velator you ask? Well lets see a Velator has a cargo space of 120 cubic meters. A blueprint has a mass of .01 cubic meters, so you could have had anywhere from 1-12000 blueprints. Minerals have the same mass I believe, maybe they are .1 so lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that they are .1 in which you could have had anywhere from 1-1200 units of megacyte, zydrine, noxcium, isogen, I think you get the picture. Hey now heres another original thought!? You could have simply had weapons onboard, that the people in the station needed or simply ammo. Bottom line, we dont know what our enemy has inside the station, and why should we risk having someone bring in a print for a ship, weapon, or ammunition to use against us? Why should we allow our forces to get harmed by some pathetic TTI symapthizer or better yet an alt of one.... For all we know you could have, and hell you may still be a scout for TTI and or M3G4... its easy to shout in these forums that we dont support either one, but how are we to be 100% absolutley sure? The fact of the matter is, this. We cant. So why should we allow people who flagrantly fly up to a blockaded jumpgate to an area that has been the sites of constant heavy assualts and battles, and let them just pass by as if we were in happy land? In the real world, if a military is blockading a road, a tunnel, a bridge and someone in a vehicle just keeps charging towards the blockade, the people manning the blockade are responsible to stop that vehicle with whatever means neccassary. Including deadly force. To no do so would result in death. If by some miracle they didnt die they would certainly find themselves upon charges of deriliction of duty. Therefore, you stated no intentions when you jumped into system, you stated no intentions when you jumped to a gate, you didnt say anything when you were targetted, and you didn't even try to save yourself by leaving the area or warping your pod out. Exactly what were we supposed to do? Throw harsh words at you? |
Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:03:00 -
[110]
What could you have possibly gotten the people in station in a Velator you ask? Well lets see a Velator has a cargo space of 120 cubic meters. A blueprint has a mass of .01 cubic meters, so you could have had anywhere from 1-12000 blueprints. Minerals have the same mass I believe, maybe they are .1 so lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that they are .1 in which you could have had anywhere from 1-1200 units of megacyte, zydrine, noxcium, isogen, I think you get the picture. Hey now heres another original thought!? You could have simply had weapons onboard, that the people in the station needed or simply ammo. Bottom line, we dont know what our enemy has inside the station, and why should we risk having someone bring in a print for a ship, weapon, or ammunition to use against us? Why should we allow our forces to get harmed by some pathetic TTI symapthizer or better yet an alt of one.... For all we know you could have, and hell you may still be a scout for TTI and or M3G4... its easy to shout in these forums that we dont support either one, but how are we to be 100% absolutley sure? The fact of the matter is, this. We cant. So why should we allow people who flagrantly fly up to a blockaded jumpgate to an area that has been the sites of constant heavy assualts and battles, and let them just pass by as if we were in happy land? In the real world, if a military is blockading a road, a tunnel, a bridge and someone in a vehicle just keeps charging towards the blockade, the people manning the blockade are responsible to stop that vehicle with whatever means neccassary. Including deadly force. To no do so would result in death. If by some miracle they didnt die they would certainly find themselves upon charges of deriliction of duty. Therefore, you stated no intentions when you jumped into system, you stated no intentions when you jumped to a gate, you didnt say anything when you were targetted, and you didn't even try to save yourself by leaving the area or warping your pod out. Exactly what were we supposed to do? Throw harsh words at you? |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:05:00 -
[111] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 03/09/2003 21:08:18 If we were running blueprints to them wouldn't you think we'd use a faster ship at around downtime to do this then, when chances for there not being a blockade was greater? Yes of course, communication has no place in this game, violence is the sole way to get things done... Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:05:00 -
[112] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 03/09/2003 21:08:18 If we were running blueprints to them wouldn't you think we'd use a faster ship at around downtime to do this then, when chances for there not being a blockade was greater? Yes of course, communication has no place in this game, violence is the sole way to get things done... Also Known As |
Nasty Ways |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:15:00 -
[113]
ffs how stupid ARE you?? WHY DID SHE GO IN A VELATOR WHEN SHE KNEW THERE WAS A BLOCKADE? WHY DID SHE GO AT THIS TIME WHEN SHE KNEW THERE WAS A BLOCKADE? HOW F****** STUPID DO YOU THINK THE READERS OF THIS BOARD ARE?? --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
 Nasty Ways Caldari |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:15:00 -
[114]
ffs how stupid ARE you?? WHY DID SHE GO IN A VELATOR WHEN SHE KNEW THERE WAS A BLOCKADE? WHY DID SHE GO AT THIS TIME WHEN SHE KNEW THERE WAS A BLOCKADE? HOW F****** STUPID DO YOU THINK THE READERS OF THIS BOARD ARE?? --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Darion MacVale |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:18:00 -
[115]
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 Darion MacVale Gallente |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:18:00 -
[116]
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Yoshokun |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:23:00 -
[117] Thanks EVO, I just broke out laughing in the middle of class thanks to your post.  It pleases me so much that you are willing to stand up and be the noble defender of the democratic rights of the weak and backstabbing in Venal. |
 Yoshokun Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:23:00 -
[118] Thanks EVO, I just broke out laughing in the middle of class thanks to your post. It pleases me so much that you are willing to stand up and be the noble defender of the democratic rights of the weak and backstabbing in Venal. |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:25:00 -
[119] Please do not post past your bedtime, your parents will worry you'll grow up to become a caps lock addicted geek. If you have but one braincell in your head you'll eventually come to realize what we were doing there. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:25:00 -
[120] Please do not post past your bedtime, your parents will worry you'll grow up to become a caps lock addicted geek. If you have but one braincell in your head you'll eventually come to realize what we were doing there. Also Known As |
Nasty Ways |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:33:00 -
[121]
ignoring your petty tries at bringing rl-issues in and going on to your desperate try at having a point: according to you you were: not there to do business not there to spy not there to fight and even tho you knew there was a blockade you're corp mate aproached it in a frig and just waited to get blown up. just to come to the boards and cry about it. i think it doesnt even need one braincell to come to a conclusion here. --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Nasty Ways Caldari |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:33:00 -
[122]
ignoring your petty tries at bringing rl-issues in and going on to your desperate try at having a point: according to you you were: not there to do business not there to spy not there to fight and even tho you knew there was a blockade you're corp mate aproached it in a frig and just waited to get blown up. just to come to the boards and cry about it. i think it doesnt even need one braincell to come to a conclusion here. --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
QBall |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:34:00 -
[123] Reason #190 For Empire Space Being PvP Free: Stupid People. Noobship - 0 isk Cheetos for the trip to venal - 100isk Petrolium for the warp drive - 99isk Flying like an idiot and getting podded by Evolution then *****ing about it for hours on the boards like a tard - Priceless Somethings in life money can't buy, for everything else, there's "n00bies". -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
QBall Caldari Xtreme Intruders |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:34:00 -
[124] Reason #190 For Empire Space Being PvP Free: Stupid People. Noobship - 0 isk Cheetos for the trip to venal - 100isk Petrolium for the warp drive - 99isk Flying like an idiot and getting podded by Evolution then *****ing about it for hours on the boards like a tard - Priceless Somethings in life money can't buy, for everything else, there's "n00bies". -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ |
Darion MacVale |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:41:00 -
[125] wait wait wait wait wait... Cheetos cost more than petrolium for a warp drive? |
Darion MacVale Gallente |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:41:00 -
[126] wait wait wait wait wait... Cheetos cost more than petrolium for a warp drive? |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:42:00 -
[127] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 03/09/2003 21:43:05 You people deserve losing Venal to Evolution, I feel bad for the Jericho guys though, they seem like a good enough group. Oh and Nasty Ways, you wouldn't get it now would you. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:42:00 -
[128] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 03/09/2003 21:43:05 You people deserve losing Venal to Evolution, I feel bad for the Jericho guys though, they seem like a good enough group. Oh and Nasty Ways, you wouldn't get it now would you. Also Known As |
Nasty Ways |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:52:00 -
[129]
no. it really looks like i'm the one who looks stupid here. geeeez... --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Nasty Ways Caldari |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:52:00 -
[130]
no. it really looks like i'm the one who looks stupid here. geeeez... --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Femme Fatal |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:56:00 -
[131] hahahahaha ppl making themselves look stupid while trying to give Evo bad PR ***** me up dude you admited your sole mission was to fly up there to get blown up so you could whine on the boards.. i mean yaa everyone is gonna seriously pity you and scorn evo now.. yay o_O |
 Femme Fatal Going Limp |
Posted - 2003.09.03 21:56:00 -
[132] hahahahaha ppl making themselves look stupid while trying to give Evo bad PR ***** me up dude you admited your sole mission was to fly up there to get blown up so you could whine on the boards.. i mean yaa everyone is gonna seriously pity you and scorn evo now.. yay o_O |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:04:00 -
[133] Who admitted any such thing, we were there doing business, do I need to write it on your big empty heads, we were there to get offices, man you are a bunch of morons! Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:04:00 -
[134] Who admitted any such thing, we were there doing business, do I need to write it on your big empty heads, we were there to get offices, man you are a bunch of morons! Also Known As |
Nasty Ways |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:15:00 -
[135]
"bunch of morons"? i am not the one trying to set up an office in a warzone. a warzone blocked by ppl you knew would shoot at you. reading your posts i'm coming to the conclusion that you aren't trolling, but just plain stupid. --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Nasty Ways Caldari |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:15:00 -
[136]
"bunch of morons"? i am not the one trying to set up an office in a warzone. a warzone blocked by ppl you knew would shoot at you. reading your posts i'm coming to the conclusion that you aren't trolling, but just plain stupid. --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Darion MacVale |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:17:00 -
[137] Why would anyone in their right mind go looking for offices in a war zone? |
Darion MacVale Gallente |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:17:00 -
[138] Why would anyone in their right mind go looking for offices in a war zone? |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:20:00 -
[139] 'Cause no-one else was, that's why, 'cause no-one in the NVA was actually there defending it, 'cause we forsee changes there and will trade those offices for locations which we want more. We had read about Evolutions reputation yes, but hoped it was slander, it proved true. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:20:00 -
[140] 'Cause no-one else was, that's why, 'cause no-one in the NVA was actually there defending it, 'cause we forsee changes there and will trade those offices for locations which we want more. We had read about Evolutions reputation yes, but hoped it was slander, it proved true. Also Known As |
Femme Fatal |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:29:00 -
[141] hehe you guys are seriously idiots |
Femme Fatal Going Limp |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:29:00 -
[142] hehe you guys are seriously idiots |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:32:00 -
[143] Care to elaborate or you're just bummed we beat you to it?  Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:32:00 -
[144] Care to elaborate or you're just bummed we beat you to it? Also Known As |
Nasty Ways |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:37:00 -
[145]
let me summarise: you expected to be shot at. you got shot. what is your problem? IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET KILLED DONT GO TO A WARZONE! --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Nasty Ways Caldari |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:37:00 -
[146]
let me summarise: you expected to be shot at. you got shot. what is your problem? IF YOU DONT WANT TO GET KILLED DONT GO TO A WARZONE! --- who didnt know that there are NO FAIR FIGHTS ? |
Gafton |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:38:00 -
[147] Danton, you need to read what your corp mates post.
This means she went up to venal expecting to die.
This means you've already stated your hostile to venal forces. (aka your on a kos list) I mean you're calling evolution stupid. Perhaps you should look at your own corp members before you insult others.
If she was a spy, do you think she'd tell evo if they asked? Evo: Are you a spy? Uma: Why yes, yes I am. Evo: I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to kill you now. Uma: Alright. I mean come on, get a bloody clue.
Umm, yes it does when you're in a warzone and anyone not on the friendlies list is considered an enemy.
Oh perhaps a spy to tell the enemy who and what numbers are in the system.
Here's a hint: Maybe the offices have already been taken. And maybe no one is there to get offices because they're smart enough to stay away from a war zone. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Gafton RAPT0R'S |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:38:00 -
[148] Danton, you need to read what your corp mates post.
This means she went up to venal expecting to die.
This means you've already stated your hostile to venal forces. (aka your on a kos list) I mean you're calling evolution stupid. Perhaps you should look at your own corp members before you insult others.
If she was a spy, do you think she'd tell evo if they asked? Evo: Are you a spy? Uma: Why yes, yes I am. Evo: I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to kill you now. Uma: Alright. I mean come on, get a bloody clue.
Umm, yes it does when you're in a warzone and anyone not on the friendlies list is considered an enemy.
Oh perhaps a spy to tell the enemy who and what numbers are in the system.
Here's a hint: Maybe the offices have already been taken. And maybe no one is there to get offices because they're smart enough to stay away from a war zone. Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Flatliner |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:53:00 -
[149] You people really should get your facts in order before making stupid posts that bore the eve public to death, & cause mass self destructs. Danton. Quote.1.: "I'd have to agree here, your elitist 'should've known what we may be crazy enough to do just 'cause we can' attitude is doing you no good." I guess she found out we can right? and proves what? we fire to stop ships getting past blockade? Quote.2.: "Tired from sitting and watching as Evolution take over Venal are we?" Their is more of an NVA presence there than Evo. Quote.3.: "It only seems that way 'cause you insist on defending senseless killing of undeclared travellers posing no threat, in regions in which you claim to have no claims..." Evo has not staked a claim for Venal. If you bothered reading past posts, you'd find we're now helping the NVA reclaim their territory from TTI and its allies. And until this is done, those not known to be helping the NVA or Evo, this will continue to happen to strangle enemy supplies. Quote.3.: "You people deserve losing Venal to Evolution, I feel bad for the Jericho guys though, they seem like a good enough group." Evo is not at war with Jerico, contact Jade for confirmation of this. Quote.4.: 'Cause no-one else was, that's why, 'cause no-one in the NVA was actually there defending it, 'cause we forsee changes there and will trade those offices for locations which we want more. Fyi, the one that fired the warning shot was from the NVA. After it was ignored, I engaged and won a nice corpse for my collection. Quote.5.: We had read about Evolutions reputation yes, but hoped it was slander, it proved true. If you hoped it was slander, and ran a blockade with a 99% chance of being engaged, are you mearly pushing it to be true here?. Seems so to me. After all you knew it would happen right? And there you have it. Hope its answered all your hmm silly questions. Regards, Region claimer, Flatliner. |
Flatliner Spectre Systems |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:53:00 -
[150] You people really should get your facts in order before making stupid posts that bore the eve public to death, & cause mass self destructs. Danton. Quote.1.: "I'd have to agree here, your elitist 'should've known what we may be crazy enough to do just 'cause we can' attitude is doing you no good." I guess she found out we can right? and proves what? we fire to stop ships getting past blockade? Quote.2.: "Tired from sitting and watching as Evolution take over Venal are we?" Their is more of an NVA presence there than Evo. Quote.3.: "It only seems that way 'cause you insist on defending senseless killing of undeclared travellers posing no threat, in regions in which you claim to have no claims..." Evo has not staked a claim for Venal. If you bothered reading past posts, you'd find we're now helping the NVA reclaim their territory from TTI and its allies. And until this is done, those not known to be helping the NVA or Evo, this will continue to happen to strangle enemy supplies. Quote.3.: "You people deserve losing Venal to Evolution, I feel bad for the Jericho guys though, they seem like a good enough group." Evo is not at war with Jerico, contact Jade for confirmation of this. Quote.4.: 'Cause no-one else was, that's why, 'cause no-one in the NVA was actually there defending it, 'cause we forsee changes there and will trade those offices for locations which we want more. Fyi, the one that fired the warning shot was from the NVA. After it was ignored, I engaged and won a nice corpse for my collection. Quote.5.: We had read about Evolutions reputation yes, but hoped it was slander, it proved true. If you hoped it was slander, and ran a blockade with a 99% chance of being engaged, are you mearly pushing it to be true here?. Seems so to me. After all you knew it would happen right? And there you have it. Hope its answered all your hmm silly questions. Regards, Region claimer, Flatliner. |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:58:00 -
[151] No we got 3 new offices today so they're not all taken. As been stated once there the damage was done any which way, Evolution should have people killing the pilot as he enters the system in that case, she was right outside the station and saw how many pilots sat there on top of said station, killing someone then serves no purpose as the news can be sent via mail. Her believing Evolution being rampant playerkillers and them actually being so and on top of it encountering them didn't make it something set in stone before hand. It was a risk sure but people saying that we knew what we was in for by their comment confirms that Evolution are rampant playerkillers. Would you lose the entire war by actually trusting people who just happened to miss the beta? Would it mean the end of the world if some corporation proved to be *******s by slipping one by you and were included on the hitlist after the fact and not prior to doing anything based on assumptions? I'm getting creepy real world vibes here that's making me sick. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 22:58:00 -
[152] No we got 3 new offices today so they're not all taken. As been stated once there the damage was done any which way, Evolution should have people killing the pilot as he enters the system in that case, she was right outside the station and saw how many pilots sat there on top of said station, killing someone then serves no purpose as the news can be sent via mail. Her believing Evolution being rampant playerkillers and them actually being so and on top of it encountering them didn't make it something set in stone before hand. It was a risk sure but people saying that we knew what we was in for by their comment confirms that Evolution are rampant playerkillers. Would you lose the entire war by actually trusting people who just happened to miss the beta? Would it mean the end of the world if some corporation proved to be *******s by slipping one by you and were included on the hitlist after the fact and not prior to doing anything based on assumptions? I'm getting creepy real world vibes here that's making me sick. Also Known As |
Cormyat Astara |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:04:00 -
[153]
There is an old addage about crossing bridges when they are directly in front of you, rather than trying to do so when they are not even clearly discernible. You may be right and order will never return to Venal. I don't think any of us claims to have the gift of foresight on this matter. However I will say this: While Evolution combat pilots are very skilled, they are not large enough to control two regions at once, full-time. At this time, FA does not control Venal--they are laying siege to Venal, and those are two entirely different things. Much different would be if FA tried to establish large resource-gathering expeditions in the region. If invaded by a formidable combat force, they would suffer the same vulnerabilities that VA suffered (tactically,) and especially so since their combat assets would be spread between two regions. If no one can exploit the resources of a region with non-combat spacecraft in a consistent and reasonably secure manner, that region is NOT under anyone's control. And that is the very definition of Venal, at the moment. Things have been easier in Venal for Evolution / Xanadu forces for a couple reasons: First, they have much more combat experience, skill, AND resolve than their primary enemy, TTI. The only forces within Venal that posed any real threat to FA forces were either too small to participate full-time, or were eventually eliminated after having some success. Many simply got frustrated with TTI's "circle-the-wagons" philosophy of regional defense, and began making preparations to go on the offensive in Fountain, rather than gathering in an ineffectual blob in Venal. It was VA's disunity that ultimately broke VA. Secondly: The mechanics of combat in the Eve universe are ridiculously slanted in favor of the guerrilla warrior. Do I, personally, employ those same tactics when I scout, hunt, or fight? Of course I do. I would be foolish not to. But that doesn't change the fact that if a combat pilot has skill and understanding of combat mechanics, he can make himself (or herself) virtually immune to the repercussions of being in hostile territory. One must assume that technologies designed to counter guerrilla warfare will evolve eventually, and it will not be quite so impossible for a force to defend territory and ferret out known hostiles. That will make the risk/reward ratio of mounting an invasion much higher than it is now, and change the complexion of combat considerably. And, to my way of thinking, this will make it much more difficult for invading forces to take over a region that is defended by large numbers. |
 Cormyat Astara Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:04:00 -
[154]
There is an old addage about crossing bridges when they are directly in front of you, rather than trying to do so when they are not even clearly discernible. You may be right and order will never return to Venal. I don't think any of us claims to have the gift of foresight on this matter. However I will say this: While Evolution combat pilots are very skilled, they are not large enough to control two regions at once, full-time. At this time, FA does not control Venal--they are laying siege to Venal, and those are two entirely different things. Much different would be if FA tried to establish large resource-gathering expeditions in the region. If invaded by a formidable combat force, they would suffer the same vulnerabilities that VA suffered (tactically,) and especially so since their combat assets would be spread between two regions. If no one can exploit the resources of a region with non-combat spacecraft in a consistent and reasonably secure manner, that region is NOT under anyone's control. And that is the very definition of Venal, at the moment. Things have been easier in Venal for Evolution / Xanadu forces for a couple reasons: First, they have much more combat experience, skill, AND resolve than their primary enemy, TTI. The only forces within Venal that posed any real threat to FA forces were either too small to participate full-time, or were eventually eliminated after having some success. Many simply got frustrated with TTI's "circle-the-wagons" philosophy of regional defense, and began making preparations to go on the offensive in Fountain, rather than gathering in an ineffectual blob in Venal. It was VA's disunity that ultimately broke VA. Secondly: The mechanics of combat in the Eve universe are ridiculously slanted in favor of the guerrilla warrior. Do I, personally, employ those same tactics when I scout, hunt, or fight? Of course I do. I would be foolish not to. But that doesn't change the fact that if a combat pilot has skill and understanding of combat mechanics, he can make himself (or herself) virtually immune to the repercussions of being in hostile territory. One must assume that technologies designed to counter guerrilla warfare will evolve eventually, and it will not be quite so impossible for a force to defend territory and ferret out known hostiles. That will make the risk/reward ratio of mounting an invasion much higher than it is now, and change the complexion of combat considerably. And, to my way of thinking, this will make it much more difficult for invading forces to take over a region that is defended by large numbers. |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:22:00 -
[155] Ah, a thoughtful post, welcome indeed! Still what prevents Evolution and their partners from giving up the less easily defended Fountain for Venal? Politics and sensible roleplaying I'd say, hopefully a new trait I'll discover with these people. We're hoping that a somewhat mature dialogue will emerge as the corporations and informal ties grow older, people flaunting their beta badge put it to rest and stop referring to everyone which they do not recognize as, well enter derogatory dictionary section. In short, we were disappointed to see there being no dialogue upon the non-threatening encounter. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:22:00 -
[156] Ah, a thoughtful post, welcome indeed! Still what prevents Evolution and their partners from giving up the less easily defended Fountain for Venal? Politics and sensible roleplaying I'd say, hopefully a new trait I'll discover with these people. We're hoping that a somewhat mature dialogue will emerge as the corporations and informal ties grow older, people flaunting their beta badge put it to rest and stop referring to everyone which they do not recognize as, well enter derogatory dictionary section. In short, we were disappointed to see there being no dialogue upon the non-threatening encounter. Also Known As |
Mordessa |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:47:00 -
[157] Edited by: Mordessa on 03/09/2003 23:48:13 We have always been open to dialogue, unfortunatley you started this off by trying to slander our name for doing what should have been obvious. I mean this would have been easier for all concerned if you had just done a simple ingame Email and or conversation.... What kind of dialogue would you like to open up? |
Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.03 23:47:00 -
[158] Edited by: Mordessa on 03/09/2003 23:48:13 We have always been open to dialogue, unfortunatley you started this off by trying to slander our name for doing what should have been obvious. I mean this would have been easier for all concerned if you had just done a simple ingame Email and or conversation.... What kind of dialogue would you like to open up? |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:04:00 -
[159] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 04/09/2003 00:05:34 Right now we'll just sit tight and wait for the outcome of the Venal conflict, then we'll see about the possible office exchange. Our pilot tried to start a conversation but midsentence she was blown up.  Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:04:00 -
[160] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 04/09/2003 00:05:34 Right now we'll just sit tight and wait for the outcome of the Venal conflict, then we'll see about the possible office exchange. Our pilot tried to start a conversation but midsentence she was blown up. Also Known As |
Mordessa |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:21:00 -
[161] Okay sounds good, however if your looking to talk more directly to the Venal peeps, about setting up in Venal. I would recommend talking to Jade... (as we WILL be pulling out when TTI is gone and leaving them alone.) Not sure if shes the one in charge, but you can bet your ass she will know who is. |
Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:21:00 -
[162] Okay sounds good, however if your looking to talk more directly to the Venal peeps, about setting up in Venal. I would recommend talking to Jade... (as we WILL be pulling out when TTI is gone and leaving them alone.) Not sure if shes the one in charge, but you can bet your ass she will know who is. |
Mordessa |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:45:00 -
[163] Edited by: Mordessa on 04/09/2003 00:48:16 OOPS double post my mistake.. |
Mordessa Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.04 00:45:00 -
[164] Edited by: Mordessa on 04/09/2003 00:48:16 OOPS double post my mistake.. |
Sedsiss |
Posted - 2003.09.04 03:24:00 -
[165] HAHAH! You go to NVA space to take offices to later ransom off to the victor. And you claim to be the good guys, LOL. And for those who don't know yet, yes we are indeed taking Venal, for I am Sedsiss, King of Venal. Bow down before me you wenches! |
Sedsiss Amarr Viziam |
Posted - 2003.09.04 03:24:00 -
[166] HAHAH! You go to NVA space to take offices to later ransom off to the victor. And you claim to be the good guys, LOL. And for those who don't know yet, yes we are indeed taking Venal, for I am Sedsiss, King of Venal. Bow down before me you wenches! |
Archemedes |
Posted - 2003.09.04 04:45:00 -
[167] LOL... Someone was out trying to snatch up offices during a war so they could sell them off to the victor and they got podded? Awwww.... what a shame. After all, everyone likes a war profiteer... Oh, and there's a word for people who shoot first and ask questions later at a blockade: alive. That's why I stay the hell out of Venal! |
 Archemedes Gallente Omnitrend |
Posted - 2003.09.04 04:45:00 -
[168] LOL... Someone was out trying to snatch up offices during a war so they could sell them off to the victor and they got podded? Awwww.... what a shame. After all, everyone likes a war profiteer... Oh, and there's a word for people who shoot first and ask questions later at a blockade: alive. That's why I stay the hell out of Venal! |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:09:00 -
[169] We never did recognize the Venal Alliance in its previous form, then why should we abstain from expanding in that direction? Had corporations not hogged all the offices in the region we wished to go none of this had been neccessary... Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:09:00 -
[170] We never did recognize the Venal Alliance in its previous form, then why should we abstain from expanding in that direction? Had corporations not hogged all the offices in the region we wished to go none of this had been neccessary... Also Known As |
Tristan |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:22:00 -
[171] So, you know its a warzone, you go there, *SHOCK HORROR* get shot at, and whine about it?? what the hell did you expect man! |
 Tristan Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:22:00 -
[172] So, you know its a warzone, you go there, *SHOCK HORROR* get shot at, and whine about it?? what the hell did you expect man! ------------------------------------------------------------ Offensive signature text removed. Please consult the Forum Rules. Email us for questions [email protected] -Eldo |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:50:00 -
[173] We did expect the occassional run-in with the VA, NVA or what's their faces who have claims in Venal, we get shot down by Evolution, what is not clear to you here? Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.04 11:50:00 -
[174] We did expect the occassional run-in with the VA, NVA or what's their faces who have claims in Venal, we get shot down by Evolution, what is not clear to you here? Also Known As |
Deathwing |
Posted - 2003.09.04 12:57:00 -
[175] Cry me a river and go drown yourself in it kthxluvyabye <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
 Deathwing Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.09.04 12:57:00 -
[176] Cry me a river and go drown yourself in it kthxluvyabye <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Redan Chulipa |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:49:00 -
[177] Stay away from politics o' mentally challenged one. |
Redan Chulipa Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:49:00 -
[178] Stay away from politics o' mentally challenged one. |
Femme Fatal |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:50:00 -
[179]
Danton Marcellus you should listen to your corpmate.. he is a very wise man |
Femme Fatal Going Limp |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:50:00 -
[180]
Danton Marcellus you should listen to your corpmate.. he is a very wise man |
Redan Chulipa |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:55:00 -
[181] Edited by: Redan Chulipa on 04/09/2003 15:04:04 Yes this was edited on request. |
Redan Chulipa Doomheim |
Posted - 2003.09.04 14:55:00 -
[182] Edited by: Redan Chulipa on 04/09/2003 15:04:04 Yes this was edited on request. |
Danton Marcellus |
Posted - 2003.09.04 15:01:00 -
[183] Hasn't this been resolved already with all parties concerned having their say? Who are all these fluffers feeling the need to come on here acting all tough? Enough already, we don't know half of you guys and doesn't wish to either at this point. At least not through these representatives. Convert Stations |
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2003.09.04 15:01:00 -
[184] Hasn't this been resolved already with all parties concerned having their say? Who are all these fluffers feeling the need to come on here acting all tough? Enough already, we don't know half of you guys and doesn't wish to either at this point. At least not through these representatives. Also Known As |
 Nikos Iscariot GoonFleet GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.05.30 19:09:00 -
[185] Interesting, but how will this policy stand in the glorious new era of Hammertown? _______ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug |
 Elmo Pug Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department  |
Posted - 2007.05.30 19:09:00 -
[186] Necrotastic. *click* Forum Rules | CAOD Rules | [email protected] | Our Website |
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