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Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:13:00 -
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My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play.
Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps.
My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ?
I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1332
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:15:00 -
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It's totally legit. Welcome to the sandbox. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3258
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:16:00 -
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It's as legit as anything else not specifically cited as griefing by CCP.
It's also legit for you to ignore them or hire someone to war dec them.
Mr Epeen |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
2703
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:17:00 -
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Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. |
Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:22:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically.
No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees.
Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:23:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets.
The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8510
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:28:00 -
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Greyscale Dash wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually.
Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Greyscale Dash wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed.
Renters.
So nothing to do with Goons, but the others definitely. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
114
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:33:00 -
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As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. |
Snakebyte Jack
Grand Theft Astr0
12
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:34:00 -
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Just join an alliance that can defend its intrests or pay some mercs to ...merc them. |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1332
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:34:00 -
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Snakebyte Jack wrote:Just join an alliance that can defend its intrests or pay some mercs to ...merc them.
Friendship really is magic. |
Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:46:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE.
Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...
Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...
Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3258
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:56:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.
After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say.
Shame on you!
130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun.
This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird.
Mr Epeen
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Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:13:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen
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Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire
149
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:17:00 -
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You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss. |
Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:21:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss.
Yes, your point being ?
I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied.
Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
114
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:31:00 -
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Given the 200 mil/month they wanted, yeah, I'd say they were just jacking you for the iskies... the NO only charges 10m per member, i believe with discounts for entire corps, for an entire year. Beyond that I dunno, I'm weird too, so I can't knock that. This strikes me as a missed opportunity to learn more about the pvp thing tho, i know mining and missions is more in your comfort zone... however, it doesn't take much time or minerals to brew up a fat stack of frigs, dessies and cruisers to dispose of whimsically. You know, mount up the old donkey, grab your favorite lance... and have at those space windmills :)
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Haedonism Bot
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:50:00 -
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I will protect you for 50% of what they are asking. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
449
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:16:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...
Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube.
I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1639
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:23:00 -
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The fact that you made it through eight years without having your false views of the game practically challenged like this means there is something really wrong with Eve.
This is now a nerf hisec thread. |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
978
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:34:00 -
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like a 9-bob note. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:36:00 -
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btw there's no benefit at all to having a player corp for mining. for whatever reason the NPC corp stations do a better job of refining than a starbase and you don't pay any taxes.
however, expressing dissatisfaction and then dropping corp was probably a bad idea. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
476
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:38:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote: I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...
It allows you to play the game not to mine in peace. Wardecs are a game mechanic and how this is used is up to the players. There are a gazilion ways to defend yourself in such situations.
It saddens me to see that you just run away from what could be a great opportunity to experience another part of the game that is far more exciting than mining. Did it ever come to your mind to actually try and defend your corp?
Just don't use anything expensive you will probably loose them as you gain experience about how the game works. Cheap frigate fleets are a good way to get your feet wet in EVE PvP. With the recent buffs you may even stand a chance. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
115
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:40:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...
Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube. I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints.
Well to be fair, the borderlines of acceptable behavior in EVE fall well beyond what is acceptable in most other online games. If the standards other MMO's held towards player activity were ever brought into play here Jita would be a dead zone in hours, and there would be a wall around null/lowsec.
On the other hand if the EVE mentality were allowed on other MMO's for even a day... well the cumulative years of therapy that would result would be almost worth it. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
476
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:45:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:My actual definition of fun is logging on for a couple of hours and either do a couple of missions or mine a bit. I find that relaxing, and I have a stressfull enough Real Life to really need it. The added stress of PvP does nothing good for my ulcers and blood pressure. So why didn't you just pay. It seams you only play to "relax" and don't use that mined ISK anyway? |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:50:00 -
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paying people 'protection' money is utterly pointless when they're not going to protect you. |
culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
333
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:12:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote: Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...
Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn.
You should totally join us, and get a good feeling of how to handle yourself in combat situations. |
Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:13:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote: It saddens me to see that you just run away from what could be a great opportunity to experience another part of the game that is far more exciting than mining. Did it ever come to your mind to actually try and defend your corp?
I already tried the PvP side of eVe, that's how I know I don't like it.
And I indeed thought about defending my corp, then did a "show info" on the Alliance that wardecced me, saw that they had 40 pilots against me alone, and realized that I didn't stand a chance.
As to why I didn't pay : they asked for more ISKs than I can make with my limited game time available, basically I would have had to inject ISKies by buying PLEXes with Real Cash to meet their demands, on top of my subscription fees, and without a guarantee of not being ganked by them or others.
My "false views" of the game were already challenged years ago, it's just that I don't enjoy being hunted and bullied ... and no, they're not totally "false", there is indeed a PvE element in this game, or else how would the hardcore PvPers pay for the ships they will inevitably lose.
I could say that your very narrow view of the game is also false ... there is more than "yaaarrr PvP", "grrr Goons" and scamming/bullying to do in EvE. |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:19:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:I could say that your very narrow view of the game is also false ... there is more than "yaaarrr PvP", "grrr Goons" and scamming/bullying to do in EvE.
unfortunately everyone in highsec these days imagines them to be a villain of high finance or an elite space pirate!
you should move. i doubt they ever will. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2300
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:21:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen
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