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Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 95	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:13:00 - [1] - Quote My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...
masternerdguy Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E. 1332	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:15:00 - [2] - Quote It's totally legit. Welcome to the sandbox.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3258	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:16:00 - [3] - Quote It's as legit as anything else not specifically cited as griefing by CCP. It's also legit for you to ignore them or hire someone to war dec them. Mr Epeen
Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire 2703	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:17:00 - [4] - Quote Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically.
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 95	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:22:00 - [5] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets.
Greyscale Dash Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:23:00 - [6] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 8510	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:28:00 - [7] - Quote Greyscale Dash wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed.
Greyscale Dash Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:29:00 - [8] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Greyscale Dash wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed. Renters. So nothing to do with Goons, but the others definitely.
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 114	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:33:00 - [9] - Quote As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE.
Snakebyte Jack Grand Theft Astr0 12	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:34:00 - [10] - Quote Just join an alliance that can defend its intrests or pay some mercs to ...merc them.

masternerdguy Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E. 1332	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:34:00 - [11] - Quote Snakebyte Jack wrote: Just join an alliance that can defend its intrests or pay some mercs to ...merc them. Friendship really is magic.
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 95	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:46:00 - [12] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3258	Posted - 2013.11.10 08:56:00 - [13] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 95	Posted - 2013.11.10 09:13:00 - [14] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen
Icarus Able Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire 149	Posted - 2013.11.10 09:17:00 - [15] - Quote You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss.
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 95	Posted - 2013.11.10 09:21:00 - [16] - Quote Icarus Able wrote: You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss. Yes, your point being ? I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied. Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise.
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 114	Posted - 2013.11.10 09:31:00 - [17] - Quote Given the 200 mil/month they wanted, yeah, I'd say they were just jacking you for the iskies... the NO only charges 10m per member, i believe with discounts for entire corps, for an entire year. Beyond that I dunno, I'm weird too, so I can't knock that. This strikes me as a missed opportunity to learn more about the pvp thing tho, i know mining and missions is more in your comfort zone... however, it doesn't take much time or minerals to brew up a fat stack of frigs, dessies and cruisers to dispose of whimsically. You know, mount up the old donkey, grab your favorite lance... and have at those space windmills :)
Haedonism Bot Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 09:50:00 - [18] - Quote I will protect you for 50% of what they are asking.
Alphea Abbra Grim Determination Nulli Secunda 449	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:16:00 - [19] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube. I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1639	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:23:00 - [20] - Quote The fact that you made it through eight years without having your false views of the game practically challenged like this means there is something really wrong with Eve. This is now a nerf hisec thread.

Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 978	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:34:00 - [21] - Quote like a 9-bob note.
Skeln Thargensen Alpha Sperglords 278	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:36:00 - [22] - Quote btw there's no benefit at all to having a player corp for mining. for whatever reason the NPC corp stations do a better job of refining than a starbase and you don't pay any taxes. however, expressing dissatisfaction and then dropping corp was probably a bad idea.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 476	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:38:00 - [23] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... It allows you to play the game not to mine in peace. Wardecs are a game mechanic and how this is used is up to the players. There are a gazilion ways to defend yourself in such situations. It saddens me to see that you just run away from what could be a great opportunity to experience another part of the game that is far more exciting than mining. Did it ever come to your mind to actually try and defend your corp? Just don't use anything expensive you will probably loose them as you gain experience about how the game works. Cheap frigate fleets are a good way to get your feet wet in EVE PvP. With the recent buffs you may even stand a chance.
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 115	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:40:00 - [24] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube. I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints. Well to be fair, the borderlines of acceptable behavior in EVE fall well beyond what is acceptable in most other online games. If the standards other MMO's held towards player activity were ever brought into play here Jita would be a dead zone in hours, and there would be a wall around null/lowsec. On the other hand if the EVE mentality were allowed on other MMO's for even a day... well the cumulative years of therapy that would result would be almost worth it.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 476	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:45:00 - [25] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My actual definition of fun is logging on for a couple of hours and either do a couple of missions or mine a bit. I find that relaxing, and I have a stressfull enough Real Life to really need it. The added stress of PvP does nothing good for my ulcers and blood pressure. So why didn't you just pay. It seams you only play to "relax" and don't use that mined ISK anyway?
Skeln Thargensen Alpha Sperglords 278	Posted - 2013.11.10 10:50:00 - [26] - Quote paying people 'protection' money is utterly pointless when they're not going to protect you.
culo duro EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 333	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:12:00 - [27] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You should totally join us, and get a good feeling of how to handle yourself in combat situations.
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 96	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:13:00 - [28] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: It saddens me to see that you just run away from what could be a great opportunity to experience another part of the game that is far more exciting than mining. Did it ever come to your mind to actually try and defend your corp? I already tried the PvP side of eVe, that's how I know I don't like it. And I indeed thought about defending my corp, then did a "show info" on the Alliance that wardecced me, saw that they had 40 pilots against me alone, and realized that I didn't stand a chance. As to why I didn't pay : they asked for more ISKs than I can make with my limited game time available, basically I would have had to inject ISKies by buying PLEXes with Real Cash to meet their demands, on top of my subscription fees, and without a guarantee of not being ganked by them or others. My "false views" of the game were already challenged years ago, it's just that I don't enjoy being hunted and bullied ... and no, they're not totally "false", there is indeed a PvE element in this game, or else how would the hardcore PvPers pay for the ships they will inevitably lose. I could say that your very narrow view of the game is also false ... there is more than "yaaarrr PvP", "grrr Goons" and scamming/bullying to do in EvE.
Skeln Thargensen Alpha Sperglords 278	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:19:00 - [29] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: I could say that your very narrow view of the game is also false ... there is more than "yaaarrr PvP", "grrr Goons" and scamming/bullying to do in EvE. unfortunately everyone in highsec these days imagines them to be a villain of high finance or an elite space pirate! you should move. i doubt they ever will.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 2300	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:21:00 - [30] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen I can fix that.

Sidrat Flush Deadly Harmony 156	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:31:00 - [31] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: I'll go with the reeaaaally wierd option ... I have lots of skills, yes, but absolutely NO experince in PvP, and no interest in it either ... direct player vs player combat bores me to tears. My actual definition of fun is logging on for a couple of hours and either do a couple of missions or mine a bit. I find that relaxing, and I have a stressfull enough Real Life to really need it. The added stress of PvP does nothing good for my ulcers and blood pressure. Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. As a long time non-pvp player with 111M skill points and virtually nill pvp experience I can sympathise. However, in null with the right ship and fitting each anom you do even solo can grant you 20+M Isk every twenty minutes. The increased heart rate, the sweaty palms and the bladder issues will still be there - forever according to some capital pvp human beings I've spoken to, apparently that's why they keep doing it. You have the skills to pvp, all you need is the will and it will become (like missions) second nature. Join a null corp that offers a Ship Replacement Programme and your pvp training will be heavily subsided or free. Thankfully CCP has reduced the cost of our clone levels to something more reasonable (for null dwellers, not those still doing level 4 missions in empire), so pvp with no or cheap implants. It really comes down to your will though. I've stopped playing Eve in the past, because I couldn't face another level 4 mission, nor could I face refuelling the damn pos that was mostly silent. Play in a group with group activities - the anom income almost but not quite doubles, the pvp is actually fun when you get over the first hurdle of shopping and you're around people that can and for the main, will help those willing to help themselves. Good luck - if you don't want to pvp that's fine, just protect yourself from encountering it.
Dyvim Slorm Coven of the Morrigan 170	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:35:00 - [32] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Wardecs and extortion have always been part of Eve since the beginning and I wouldn't define them as "griefing" per se. Get some cheap frigs and harass them back, hire some mercs, play something else for a week or two until they get bored or just drop corp. All your subscription does is buy you a place in the Eve universe nothing more than that
Frying Doom 3344	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:40:00 - [33] - Quote Dyvim Slorm wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Wardecs and extortion have always been part of Eve since the beginning and I wouldn't define them as "griefing" per se. Get some cheap frigs and harass them back, hire some mercs, play something else for a week or two until they get bored or just drop corp. All your subscription does is buy you a place in the Eve universe nothing more than that Go after them hammer and tongs. Hunt them, harass them, do not give them a moments piece. You may die some but people normally do not reup a war dec on carebears when the carebears hunt them.
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 116	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:45:00 - [34] - Quote Think the damage has already been done and this isn't an option anymore. I hope the OP isn't too discouraged by this event. I'm not going to badger for a change in playstyle because I'm pretty much a chronic bear as well. Between all the snark, however, there has been some good advice thrown in as well. If OP does want to learn pvp I have heard many good things about culo duro's group when it comes to teaching pvp noobs the ropes. You may wish to take him up on his offer.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD 124	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:48:00 - [35] - Quote Waaaaaaaaaaait . . . . you've played the game for over 8 years and you are STILL wondering if this is legal? Freaking high sec carebears man.
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4453	Posted - 2013.11.10 15:26:00 - [36] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light.
Kery Nysell Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 97	Posted - 2013.11.10 15:49:00 - [37] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light. Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too.
culo duro EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com. 334	Posted - 2013.11.10 15:59:00 - [38] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light. Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. No, that's a good reason to learn how to pvp, and kill those that try to kill you.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 453	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:50:00 - [39] - Quote You have no right to run a corporation. Nor a need to. Just because you created your own 'guild' in some other game does not make you fit to run a 'space-guild' in eve. Opening or running a corporation? Well, you're going to have to take responsibility for that, not just pick and choose what parts you want. This is an example of EVE's 'true philosophy', which I'm not surprised new players are unfamiliar with, since CCP has been stomping all through the sandbox lately.
Serptimis Balls Deep Inc. 211	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:55:00 - [40] - Quote Sorry, but a character with a birth date in 2004 asking a 'genuine' question about the legitimacy of a high sec war dec. Yeah, ok.

Batelle Komm susser Tod 315	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:45:00 - [41] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Icarus Able wrote: You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss. Yes, your point being ? I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied. Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise. You closed it rather than transfer it to an alt? you're not a wuss, you're a fool. And also, there are plenty of mechanics to dodge wardecs. Most wardeccers won't bother following you to another part of empire.
Temporary Amnesia NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE. 33	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:55:00 - [42] - Quote protection pay for month? haha Don't pay and regroup Be polite in convos with them so you dont give reason to further ganking Is best that they think you nublet and polite than nublet and rude/douchebag Is all Please like my posts (will one day put this in sig)
Kairos Antilles The Scope Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:09:00 - [43] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!
Cronos Decendum School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:51:00 - [44] - Quote Alphea Abbra wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube. I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints. Seen Noir in the AT? Pathetic. Shouldn't teach what you haven't mastered.
Ghost Phius Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 - [45] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Yep very legit. Then again this is the company that has played favorites and griefed most of the players of this game for ten years now.
Odethia Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:40:00 - [46] - Quote Carebeer Racket/Blapping is the whole point of empire wardec. Of course it is legit. That being said, nothing stop you from dropping your small corp and creating a new one. Untill they get borred of wardeccing ghosts.
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 674	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:51:00 - [47] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. So..... what you're SAYING is that you're mining without a permit. I hope you have a tank fit.... and stay aligned. (not a New Order agent, but I am a kinda/sorta Code sympathizer)
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 783	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:46:00 - [48] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Greyscale Dash wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Let me ask this question? Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing? They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed. The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo?
Captain Tardbar Sons of Sam 656	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:56:00 - [49] - Quote The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets. The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits.
Thern alpha Unlawful Unit Initiative Mercenaries 16	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:58:00 - [50] - Quote Yes, but only ppl who don't think about the game mech's will fall for them in highsec. In null being a renter could be considered part of a protection racket.

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1128	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:16:00 - [51] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light. Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin:
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5120	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:58:00 - [52] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light. Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin: People sure love to getin a lot
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 8527	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:42:00 - [53] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo? This isn't a miniluv operation.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 8527	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:44:00 - [54] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. I can find no record of your corp losing a POS.
Matthew97 Dat Tax 227	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:52:00 - [55] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. I can find no record of your corp losing a POS. Probably closed corp before taking it down cause they were to scared to undock.
Omar Alharazaad ZomCom 120	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:25:00 - [56] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets. The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits. This bit is where the whole "protection racket" thing in hisec seems to break down most often. If they don't protect their herd from outside predators, then they're just extorting cash. If they truly want to make something like this work for any period of time they're gonna need to actually protect their investment in order to maintain any shred of legitimacy. That means devoting time and ships to prevent outsiders from messing with their herd... in other words earn that monthly payment.
Kery Nysell 98	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:39:00 - [57] - Quote Kairos Antilles wrote: Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too. All thanks to some answers here. I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season. So I'm going into submarine mode. I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main. ...
Mythrandier Spacelane Salvage 185	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:05:00 - [58] - Quote culo duro wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one. You are one very bright light. Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. No, that's a good reason to learn how to pvp, and kill those that try to kill you. To quote Mal Reyonlds, "If someone tries to kill you, you kill 'em right back" "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams.
Baaldor In Igne Morim Easily Excited 190	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:10:00 - [59] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Kairos Antilles wrote: Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too. All thanks to some answers here. I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season. So I'm going into submarine mode. I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main. The weak sauce is strong in you. How can some who supposedly played this game for eight years still do not get EvE.
WASPY69 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:35:00 - [60] - Quote The fact that you have been paying for a game for 8 years to mine rocks is sad, very sad. BUT.. each to their own i suppose. You should thank them for finally providing you with content other than approaching rocks and pressing F1. You said you tried pvp but didn't like it. Well I'm guessing you had a bad start, flying with incompetent FC's and rarely blowing anything up. To be constructive in my response, i highly suggest you join faction warfare. Join fleets with competent FC's. The Fun and adrenaline after a good fight (or gank huehue) trumps any other activity in EVE. Still mining after 8 years is like still living at home with your parents in your mid 20's. It's time for you to get out there, leave your little nest of comfort and experience EVE.

pure Alar Starl1ght Robbery 1nc. MORE.DPS 0	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:45:00 - [61] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wWA43-aKs how he lost his pod . we gave u enough warnings :) the tears expressed here are
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 675	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:51:00 - [62] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. 8 years? I've heard of failing at Eve, but usually that is just a myth because its almost impossible to fail at something with no goals. But I think you may have just done it. 8 years and you are unable to defend your corp or corpmates from a wardec? Wow. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink.
Meilandra Vanderganken Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:19:00 - [63] - Quote Temporary Amnesia wrote: protection pay for month? haha Don't pay and regroup Be polite in convos with them so you dont give reason to further ganking Is best that they think you nublet and polite than nublet and rude/douchebag Is all Please like my posts (will one day put this in sig) Convo's? Ha! Don't convo them at all, no smack, no reaction on mails and block them. Make it a corp rule and switch to an alt corp.
Ophidia Black Bad Touches 21	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:21:00 - [64] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main. Feel free, your main's name has already been fed to the locator agents... Official Reimbursement Officer for the New Order. Contact me for reimbursement in game if your barge was unfairly destroyed.
Kery Nysell 98	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:38:00 - [65] - Quote pure Alar wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wWA43-aKs how he lost his pod . we gave u enough warnings :) the tears expressed here are Oh yeah, that was me alright, totally AFK ordering pizza on the phone, not a single peep from you in Local or convo (yes, I keep logs), getting ganked while offlining my POS BEFORE the war took place. And I don't even have tears in my eyes, I've long since accepted that my playstyle will lead to ISK loss on a massive scale. Keep stroking your epeen mate ! ...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 12322	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:40:00 - [66] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Yes, they absolutely are. 1 Kings 12:11
Galen Darksmith Sky Fighters 93	Posted - 2013.11.11 19:38:00 - [67] - Quote I seriously cannot understand anyone that is upset by the fact that EVE has its own "Space Mafia." Seriously, how cool is that ****? "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Jythier Smith WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence 85	Posted - 2013.11.11 19:52:00 - [68] - Quote Galen Darksmith wrote: I seriously cannot understand anyone that is upset by the fact that EVE has its own "Space Mafia." Seriously, how cool is that ****? Yeah, that is emergent gameplay, not even part of the rules of the game. I like that.
Anomaly One Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.11.11 19:56:00 - [69] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: The fact that you made it through eight years without having your false views of the game practically challenged like this means there is something really wrong with Eve. This is now a nerf hisec thread. this statement should not be ignored! holy ****, 8 years and a single wardec collapses your corp...
Anomaly One Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:02:00 - [70] - Quote Also 40 people in their alliance or corp doesn't mean 40 people will attack you... you know only the ones that are online? and throughout those 8 years of not pvp you didn't amass enough isk to hire someone to fight them at least, you know like Cannibal Kane or any merc corp?

pure Alar Starl1ght Robbery 1nc. MORE.DPS 0	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:04:00 - [71] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: pure Alar wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wWA43-aKs how he lost his pod . we gave u enough warnings :) the tears expressed here are Oh yeah, that was me alright, totally AFK ordering pizza on the phone, not a single peep from you in Local or convo (yes, I keep logs), getting ganked while offlining my POS BEFORE the war took place. And I don't even have tears in my eyes, I've long since accepted that my playstyle will lead to ISK loss on a massive scale. Keep stroking your epeen mate ! what kind of pizza was it?
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 3288	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:07:00 - [72] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... It does, you played it poorly.
Kery Nysell 98	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:10:00 - [73] - Quote pure Alar wrote: what kind of pizza was it? Hawaian with spicy oil and garlic butter. Yummy. As strange as it seems, I value my pizza-time on the saturdays more than my eve time. ...
pure Alar Starl1ght Robbery 1nc. MORE.DPS 0	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:13:00 - [74] - Quote you could of paid us in pizza?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17342	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:13:00 - [75] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Yes, they absolutely are. GÇªand your subscription does allow you to play the game. The only three parties that can keep that from happening is CCP, your ISP, and you. Oh, and it's not griefing, by the way. It's the game you've paid to play. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 148	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:23:00 - [76] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, I was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen I'll go with the reeaaaally wierd option ... I have lots of skills, yes, but absolutely NO experince in PvP, and no interest in it either ... direct player vs player combat bores me to tears. My actual definition of fun is logging on for a couple of hours and either do a couple of missions or mine a bit. I find that relaxing, and I have a stressfull enough Real Life to really need it. The added stress of PvP does nothing good for my ulcers and blood pressure. Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ... Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. If you want to stare at asteroids all day couldn't you just screencap an asteroid field and set it as your desktop background? That way you wouldn't have those nasty other players in an MMO to ruin the singleplayer experience you seem to be after. Erotica 1 for CSM!
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 679	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:36:00 - [77] - Quote Playing an MMO by yourself is like going to an orgy to self-pleasure. It's just......... it's just plain wrong. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
Jason Quixos Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS 4	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:38:00 - [78] - Quote I spoke with you for some time before any activity took place. I made you aware of the mechanics and how the system would have worked, and with the added ability of allies in wars now, we would have protected you from any future war decs and taught any of your guys who had the nuts, to pvp, starting in frigs. Shame that you did what you did, unanchoring the pos, we would have stole it. Killing a 767 mil isk pod was funnier.
Milla Sirius Terrortronfleet MORE.DPS 1	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:49:00 - [79] - Quote Oh sorry man, I just missclicked on your ship while i was eating my pizza.... nothing against you ! But... it was fun
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 689	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:55:00 - [80] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... They can war dec you for simply not liking your name. You have options 1) not undock .. horrible option 2) pay for defense (some war grousp only charge the war declaration cost, sometimes as low as 50 Mil isk) 3) Grab some t1 frigates and fight and have fun. Jsut remember to not brign super expensive stuff and that they can shoot at your pods as well! THe third option is the one that will nmake you have more fun. Evne if you think you do not like PVP. IF you try it with non expensive ships even loosign you can have fun. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 690	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:59:00 - [81] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: pure Alar wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7wWA43-aKs how he lost his pod . we gave u enough warnings :) the tears expressed here are Oh yeah, that was me alright, totally AFK ordering pizza on the phone, not a single peep from you in Local or convo (yes, I keep logs), getting ganked while offlining my POS BEFORE the war took place. And I don't even have tears in my eyes, I've long since accepted that my playstyle will lead to ISK loss on a massive scale. Keep stroking your epeen mate ! Take that as a lesson, NEver ever stay AFK in space while in a war. Shoudl be pretty obvious in fact. Take wars as opportunities to learn, and exapnd yourself in this game. PVP doe snto need to be stressful. IF you use a ship that cost udner 1 mil, how can it be stressful? Just undocking with the mind. .I LOST this ship.. and If they do not manage to kil it, I wil self destruct it anyway! This way there is nothign th get anxious about. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 517	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:45:00 - [82] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Icarus Able wrote: You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss. Yes, your point being ? I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied. Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise. If the racketeering Corp is serious closing the corp wouldn't protect you, you might still get ganked if the enemy made a note of your individual corp mates, you shouldn't have folded the corp, not after 8 years. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Goda Hideo Chevchenko Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:00:00 - [83] - Quote MORE.DPS ? they still trying to push that scam? No, they probably would have taken your money and run. Surprised they still aren't using the "WE ARE GOON PETS< PAY US OR GOONS WILL PWN YOU " thing. Should have asked around, you probably would have had people join up to have some fun. And I think there was at-least one Merc corp I know they hired and then screwed, so they might have come as well. Never fold a corp on a war dec, just start alts if you can't fight yourself, and let them keep making the payments. Or learn to fight, Some mercs are pretty cheap, (even some free ones I think, or loot rights) .
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 594	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:15:00 - [84] - Quote Pay the man or dock up. Or, you know, kill them. Just sayin'. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
Richard Ramlrez Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:23:00 - [85] - Quote Hi-Sec PVE corps are against CCP rules. Either you hide in stations forever or change to a NPC corp. Welcome to EVE.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 642	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:25:00 - [86] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Restart your player corp. Use the 2 blank toon slots and train derp ceos (lev 2 for corp is all you need trained) Make a spare corp on each derp toon. Let them dec you. Jump to your new corp. Repeat as needed. If you can get 5 people in your corp to do this - you'll have 10 derp corps to jump into at anytime. As the War decs don't come active for 24 hours after they are started - You should be able to stay safe almost all of the time. They will learn not to waste isk deccing you after a few corp jumps. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool)
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5136	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:54:00 - [87] - Quote IbanezLaney wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Restart your player corp. Use the 2 blank toon slots and train derp ceos (lev 2 for corp is all you need trained) Make a spare corp on each derp toon. Let them dec you. Jump to your new corp. Repeat as needed. If you can get 5 people in your corp to do this - you'll have 10 derp corps to jump into at anytime. As the War decs don't come active for 24 hours after they are started - You should be able to stay safe almost all of the time. They will learn not to waste isk deccing you after a few corp jumps. Make full use of the systems available to you to avoid any "pvp" in highsec There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Tzar Sinak Mythic Heights 65	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:20:00 - [88] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Restart your player corp. Use the 2 blank toon slots and train derp ceos (lev 2 for corp is all you need trained) Make a spare corp on each derp toon. Let them dec you. Jump to your new corp. Repeat as needed. If you can get 5 people in your corp to do this - you'll have 10 derp corps to jump into at anytime. As the War decs don't come active for 24 hours after they are started - You should be able to stay safe almost all of the time. They will learn not to waste isk deccing you after a few corp jumps. Make full use of the systems available to you to avoid any "pvp" in highsec Sounds like a good use of a game mechanic. That in and of its self is PvP without any ships being destroyed. Oh the PvPer tears lol.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 690	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:04:00 - [89] - Quote Tzar Sinak wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play. Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps. My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ? I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ... Restart your player corp. Use the 2 blank toon slots and train derp ceos (lev 2 for corp is all you need trained) Make a spare corp on each derp toon. Let them dec you. Jump to your new corp. Repeat as needed. If you can get 5 people in your corp to do this - you'll have 10 derp corps to jump into at anytime. As the War decs don't come active for 24 hours after they are started - You should be able to stay safe almost all of the time. They will learn not to waste isk deccing you after a few corp jumps. Make full use of the systems available to you to avoid any "pvp" in highsec Sounds like a good use of a game mechanic. That in and of its self is PvP without any ships being destroyed. Oh the PvPer tears lol. Except that if you keep cycling systematically to avoid a game mechanic you can be petitioned. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 596	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:38:00 - [90] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: So..... what you're SAYING is that you're mining without a permit. I hope you have a tank fit.... and stay aligned. (not a New Order agent, but I am a kinda/sorta Code sympathizer) Did You know, mining without a permit won't be a problem once You get the new marauders. Just bastion up and brick tank it. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.

Good Posting Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:36:00 - [91] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Except that if you keep cycling systematically and non stop to increase the cost of wars and avoid a game mechanic you can be petitioned (or if you just close the corp and repopen it) . But if you just do it once or twice nothing will happen. I never heard this rule, but if someone is costing you too much money and you want to fight the good fight i suggest to set destination to PF instead of wasting the time of the GMs with empire tears.
Barkaial Starfinder Eixo do Mal 74	Posted - 2013.11.13 03:30:00 - [92] - Quote May I suggest you sell your character and start fresh? Or buy a reasonable char.. Get into a WH corp or something... You can still mine in a WH if you like it, but you will learn a LOT doing it there. It's a lot more fun.


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