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Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
156
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:31:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:
I'll go with the reeaaaally wierd option ... I have lots of skills, yes, but absolutely NO experince in PvP, and no interest in it either ... direct player vs player combat bores me to tears. My actual definition of fun is logging on for a couple of hours and either do a couple of missions or mine a bit. I find that relaxing, and I have a stressfull enough Real Life to really need it. The added stress of PvP does nothing good for my ulcers and blood pressure.
Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...
Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn.
As a long time non-pvp player with 111M skill points and virtually nill pvp experience I can sympathise.
However, in null with the right ship and fitting each anom you do even solo can grant you 20+M Isk every twenty minutes.
The increased heart rate, the sweaty palms and the bladder issues will still be there - forever according to some capital pvp human beings I've spoken to, apparently that's why they keep doing it.
You have the skills to pvp, all you need is the will and it will become (like missions) second nature. Join a null corp that offers a Ship Replacement Programme and your pvp training will be heavily subsided or free.
Thankfully CCP has reduced the cost of our clone levels to something more reasonable (for null dwellers, not those still doing level 4 missions in empire), so pvp with no or cheap implants.
It really comes down to your will though. I've stopped playing Eve in the past, because I couldn't face another level 4 mission, nor could I face refuelling the damn pos that was mostly silent.
Play in a group with group activities - the anom income almost but not quite doubles, the pvp is actually fun when you get over the first hurdle of shopping and you're around people that can and for the main, will help those willing to help themselves.
Good luck - if you don't want to pvp that's fine, just protect yourself from encountering it.
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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
170
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:35:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote: My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ?
I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...
Wardecs and extortion have always been part of Eve since the beginning and I wouldn't define them as "griefing" per se.
Get some cheap frigs and harass them back, hire some mercs, play something else for a week or two until they get bored or just drop corp.
All your subscription does is buy you a place in the Eve universe nothing more than that
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Frying Doom
3344
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:40:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:Kery Nysell wrote: My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ?
I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...
Wardecs and extortion have always been part of Eve since the beginning and I wouldn't define them as "griefing" per se. Get some cheap frigs and harass them back, hire some mercs, play something else for a week or two until they get bored or just drop corp. All your subscription does is buy you a place in the Eve universe nothing more than that Go after them hammer and tongs.
Hunt them, harass them, do not give them a moments piece.
You may die some but people normally do not reup a war dec on carebears when the carebears hunt them. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
116
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:45:00 -
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Think the damage has already been done and this isn't an option anymore. I hope the OP isn't too discouraged by this event. I'm not going to badger for a change in playstyle because I'm pretty much a chronic bear as well. Between all the snark, however, there has been some good advice thrown in as well. If OP does want to learn pvp I have heard many good things about culo duro's group when it comes to teaching pvp noobs the ropes. You may wish to take him up on his offer. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Time and all Eternity HumAnnoyeD
124
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:48:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaaaait . . . . you've played the game for over 8 years and you are STILL wondering if this is legal?
Freaking high sec carebears man. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4453
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:26:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light. |
Kery Nysell
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:49:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light.
Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then.
Thanks for the veiled insult too. |
culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
334
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:59:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light.
Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too.
No, that's a good reason to learn how to pvp, and kill those that try to kill you. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
453
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:50:00 -
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You have no right to run a corporation. Nor a need to. Just because you created your own 'guild' in some other game does not make you fit to run a 'space-guild' in eve. Opening or running a corporation? Well, you're going to have to take responsibility for that, not just pick and choose what parts you want. This is an example of EVE's 'true philosophy', which I'm not surprised new players are unfamiliar with, since CCP has been stomping all through the sandbox lately. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
211
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:55:00 -
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Sorry, but a character with a birth date in 2004 asking a 'genuine' question about the legitimacy of a high sec war dec. Yeah, ok. |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
315
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:45:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Icarus Able wrote:You closed a corp you had for 8 years because some guys threatened you...Wuss. Yes, your point being ? I'd rather close a corp where I'm alone and restart it elsewhere than be bullied. Yes, I'm a wuss. Never said otherwise.
You closed it rather than transfer it to an alt? you're not a wuss, you're a fool.
And also, there are plenty of mechanics to dodge wardecs. Most wardeccers won't bother following you to another part of empire. |
Temporary Amnesia
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
33
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:55:00 -
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protection pay for month? haha
Don't pay and regroup
Be polite in convos with them so you dont give reason to further ganking
Is best that they think you nublet and polite than nublet and rude/douchebag
Is all
Please like my posts (will one day put this in sig) |
Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:09:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:As it stands you'll never know. If you had paid them and they had in fact protected you from outside interference then I would say yes, it is completely legit. If you had and then they had not bothered to protect you then they were just strong arming you for iskies. Fuzziness here... did they contact you before the wardec and offer you their services for this fee, or did they open with the war? Lots of unknowns here, and as such it's hard to tell if they were on the level. Either way... protection racket, or strongarm extortion, both are acceptable playstyles in the dirty back alley universe of EVE. Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ... Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ... Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible. After having a look at your eveboard link, I have only one thing to say. Shame on you! 130M SP with more than enough in PVP combat skills that you should have been able to meet them on the field of battle without fear and had some actual fun. This is either some kind of troll or you're just really weird. Mr Epeen Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! |
Cronos Decendum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:51:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Also, 1 vs 40 is a sure way to get myself spanked, even if I had the inclination to fight ...
Now, if someone wants to teach me the ropes of PvP, I'm willing to learn. You mentioned some guys in the OP who might teach you? If not then Noir., Rooks n Kings and other groups have PvP instruction videos up on Youtube. I like how a few of the first answers disregarded the "is this griefing" and took the "was their protection racket genuine" approach. EVE never disappoints.
Seen Noir in the AT? Pathetic. Shouldn't teach what you haven't mastered. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:15:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:My corp has been wardecced by an Alliance in hi sec because we were mining ... they want us to pay them to be allowed to play.
Well, since we're casual players, the price asked was more than we could earn per week, so we killed the corp and went back to NPC corps.
My question is this : is this kind of "griefing" legit ?
I know that EvE is a harsh place, but I thought that paying my subscription allowed me to play the game ...
Yep very legit. Then again this is the company that has played favorites and griefed most of the players of this game for ten years now. |
Odethia
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:40:00 -
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Carebeer Racket/Blapping is the whole point of empire wardec. Of course it is legit.
That being said, nothing stop you from dropping your small corp and creating a new one. Untill they get borred of wardeccing ghosts. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
674
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:51:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets.
So..... what you're SAYING is that you're mining without a permit. I hope you have a tank fit.... and stay aligned. (not a New Order agent, but I am a kinda/sorta Code sympathizer) |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
783
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Greyscale Dash wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Let me ask this question?
Since your in an NPC corp now are you playing?
They were asking for isk not to wardec you basically. No, they were asking for a monthly ISK fee of 200 millions to "protect" us, with no guarantees. Yes, I'm currently playing, I'm just relocating my assets. The nullsec empires are mostly built on this "racket" actually. Nothing to do with us. This evolved from our ice interdictions and is run by high sec corps who adapted very well indeed.
The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo? |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
656
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:56:00 -
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The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets.
The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits. |
Thern alpha
Unlawful Unit Initiative Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:58:00 -
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Yes, but only ppl who don't think about the game mech's will fall for them in highsec. In null being a renter could be considered part of a protection racket. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1128
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:16:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light.
Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too.
NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin: |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5120
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:58:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light.
Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. NPC corp can't save you from a suicide gank :getin: People sure love to getin a lot |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8527
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:42:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:
The "New Order" is owned, operated and funded by your feerless leader...Didn't you get the memo?
This isn't a miniluv operation. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8527
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:44:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:
Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...
Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...
Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.
I can find no record of your corp losing a POS. |
Matthew97
Dat Tax
227
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:
Not a single word from them, they just opened the war, when I contacted them I heard some excuse that WE had killed a Noctis and a pod from them, when in fact that was the other way around, *I* was ganked ...
Well, I got the answer to my question, I've closed the corp I made 8 years ago, lost a POS and a pod with a full head of implants, and my bitter-meter was raised a notch ...
Lesson learned for the small time casual players : be silent and invisible.
I can find no record of your corp losing a POS.
Probably closed corp before taking it down cause they were to scared to undock. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
120
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:25:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:The problem with protection rackets is that people not involved in the racket don't honor the protection rackets.
The majority of gankers do not have anything to do with CODE and the mining permits. If you buy a mining permit you will just get ganked by people who don't honor permits.
This bit is where the whole "protection racket" thing in hisec seems to break down most often. If they don't protect their herd from outside predators, then they're just extorting cash. If they truly want to make something like this work for any period of time they're gonna need to actually protect their investment in order to maintain any shred of legitimacy. That means devoting time and ships to prevent outsiders from messing with their herd... in other words earn that monthly payment. |
Kery Nysell
98
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:39:00 -
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Kairos Antilles wrote:Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!
Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too.
All thanks to some answers here.
I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season.
So I'm going into submarine mode.
I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main. ... |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
185
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:05:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:Solstice Project wrote: If you played for eight years and still have to run from wardecs, then we'll all just monitor you and keep deccing you, every time you make a new one.
You are one very bright light.
Another good reason to stay in an NPC corp then. Thanks for the veiled insult too. No, that's a good reason to learn how to pvp, and kill those that try to kill you.
To quote Mal Reyonlds, "If someone tries to kill you, you kill 'em right back" "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
190
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:10:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Kairos Antilles wrote:Eveboard profile deleted. Color me shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! Yes, and signature removed, and website taken down. That cost me Real Cash for the registered domain name too. All thanks to some answers here. I don't want to be hunted like a rabbit on the opening day of hunting's season. So I'm going into submarine mode. I might even make a forum posting alt instead of posting with my main.
The weak sauce is strong in you.
How can some who supposedly played this game for eight years still do not get EvE. |
WASPY69
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:35:00 -
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The fact that you have been paying for a game for 8 years to mine rocks is sad, very sad. BUT.. each to their own i suppose. You should thank them for finally providing you with content other than approaching rocks and pressing F1. You said you tried pvp but didn't like it. Well I'm guessing you had a bad start, flying with incompetent FC's and rarely blowing anything up. To be constructive in my response, i highly suggest you join faction warfare. Join fleets with competent FC's. The Fun and adrenaline after a good fight (or gank huehue) trumps any other activity in EVE. Still mining after 8 years is like still living at home with your parents in your mid 20's. It's time for you to get out there, leave your little nest of comfort and experience EVE. |
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