can we get a rig added so that we can send non covert ships through a covert cyno.

small rig only!!!

"small covert-cynosaural field adaptation"

allows (when fitted) the ship to use a covert jump portal.

bonus: able to jump using covert cyno
penalty: mass of hull increased 30%

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The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well.

4) Tonns of fun for wardec pvp. Covert hotdrops, counter-hotdrops and counter-counter-hotdrops, highly mobile fleets.

This would be OP as hell. Really OP. Violates the principle of fair chase.

not being an easy target.

Rightfully putting the onus on the attacker to get the jump on you, outsmart you, or catch you napping. Allowing neutral alts to covert cyno in a ganksquad would be such a powerful deterrent that you could shut down a target corporation without ever undocking.

5) Suits well with Rubicon and capsuleer independence theme.

It has literally nothing to do with this. If you want big-boy toys, then go to big-boy space.

That can be fixed by giving the person who lit the covert cyno a suspect timer. It would create an inherent cost to doing it in high sec due to no T1 ships being able to fit a covert cyno.

That can be fixed by giving the person who lit the covert cyno a suspect timer.

Making covert cynos lit in highsec visible through the whole system (like normal cynos) - would help too.

Have high sec corps who are at war restricted to using covert ops cynos from corp/alliance only. Simples ;)

That can be fixed by giving the person who lit the covert cyno a suspect timer. It would create an inherent cost to doing it in high sec due to no T1 ships being able to fit a covert cyno.

Not really, all that would happen is a falcon would decloak next to the person, and then 10 WT would be pointing him in T3 cruisers when he was by himself.

Good idea. Making covert cynos lit in highsec visible through the whole system (like normal cynos) - would help too.

"Covert" for a reason, picky I know but I can't help myself.

never ending stream of cloaky haulers being cyno'd across New Eden delivering small but high value cargos in complete safety.

On top of that there are few enough incentives for HiSec residents to leave EvE's shallow end as it is and allowing access to the nicer toys would just remove one more no matter how minor it may seem.

Fair? What?? I thought in eve everybody forget this word after the first pvp experience.
There is no such thing as fair chase or fair fight, except set-up competitions like tournaments.

I don't like this part of your sentence. The thing is that highsec carebears must be easy targets. "Not-so-easy" ones tend to live in more dangerous places. Or if they live in highsec they're able to fight back (or hire those who are able) instead of hiding and corp-jumping.

If you're wardecced you know about it. Not a problem to hire some mercs, put a cloaky cov.cyno alt close to you and wait for enemy hotdrop - to counter-hotdrop mercs upon them.

No, it has a lot.
1, covert cyno is not a "big-boy toy", it's a small or medium gang "toy".

At this moment I haven't seen any reasonable objection to this idea. Only few carebears afraid of being killed and too lazy to do anything except killing rats.
If you're afraid of wardecs and want to just spend all your time ratting - go to wormholes, they're empty. Or hire people to help you fight back - the whole new mercenary thing was introduced just for you.

Cov cyno can't be lit inside an anomaly with acceleration gates.

If they make cov cyno in highsec "shine" through the whole system like normal cynos do - anybody will be able to warp to that falcon.

This:

or this:
or this:or a combination of all three.

But I personally would remove the 3rd point. Because local as an intel source must be severely nerfed. Carebears instead of being damn lazy should learn to use d-scan. With d-scan you can see if someone is trying to probe you down.

Follow simple rules. Hire merceneries. Fly safe. 0\

Don't be prejudiced. Plenty of savvy people live in hisec. Wardecs are thrown out so casually that there isn't always a reason to corp hop or log-off forever just because you get one. Watch lists, killboard histories, all of them can give information to avoid being an easy target without avoiding the game. Such as, you got wardecced by people that run multiple concurrent wardecs and 98% of their kills are in niarja/uedama, Jita or Amarr.

Or are you saying that hisec carebears aren't already easy enough? If you're sick of flying 15 jumps to break up a mining op, only to be empty handed because you were spotted two jumps out, then too bad and better luck next time. Don't ask for a means to engage from multiple systems away using a neutral (pre-retribution, you could do this to catch people that had both scouts and watched local by having the neutral join corp in space. It was OP, and it was nerfed. The only way to do this now is with a suicide tackle).
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Mercs? This is a joke right? wardeccers are usually thrilled to get more targets for their money. If the attackers have any history of using blops drops in hisec, it will just force people to drop corp rather than tough it out and just watch local. I know a few mercs might do it for free to get some blops kills, but they won't do it just to kill a few bombers and a recon, which they might not even get.

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Lol my objections are not reasonable because I object and therefore am a lazy carebear. Listen up, hisec is the one place where you have stations to dock in everywhere and also won't get blobbed by a random gang 3 times your size. Fly real ships. If you need covert cynos to get kills in hisec, or are otherwise using covert ships to fight war-targets (as the aggressor), then you're pretty much a terrible scrub.

Also, aside from receiving wardecs while in null, all of my wardec experience is entirely from the side of the guys declaring war and hunting the miners and the missioners. Shadowing targets with neutral alts, locator agents, probing them down in missions, killing hulks, catching orcas. So much of it relied on avoiding spooking the target, or being one system ahead of them without showing in local, or getting a warp-in prior to entering system. If I could just use my neutral to light a covert cyno, then killing anyone, anywhere, would just be way too damn easy. A wardec is already a very powerful deterrent against PVE, it doesn't need to be made an absolute deterrent by adding in neutral covert cynos.

Not all missions and deadspace pockets have acceleration gates.
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Yes, anyone could warp to that falcon. However that falcon's cyno lasts 12 seconds due to the falcon's bonus. Which makes it so unless something is already on grid with him, about the only thing that can warp to the falcon in time to lock it and point it will be interceptors, which will be jammed out as soon as the falcon locks it. Which will allow the falcon to warp off and cloak up for the duration of any suspect timer he could receive.

Covert cyno's in highsec allow for super safe movement of small goods in and out of nullsec/lowsec via covert bridging.

Bridging mechanics also dramatically alter engagement dynamics, creating a means to teleport large numbers of unscoutable ships directly into the combat zone.

At the end of the day, I don't see a good reason to bring covert cynos to highsec.



p.s. If you see a covert cyno is lit on grid, you can right click on the cyno and bookmark it... and then warp to it at your leisure.

You want to drop cynos on people? come out to nulsec.

How will mercenaries protect me from suicide ganks or neutral covert hot drops?

Sorry, all you folks hungering for easier hi sec kills will just have to keep camping stations for your T3-on-T1-hauler kills.