It. Must. Be.

Arguments for that:
1) It's logical. Cynojammers don't prevent covert cynos from being lit.

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The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well.

While certainly true, I imagine the empires would not appreciate their use, and thus if they could be used, anyone lighting one or arriving by one would be instantly concorded.

And the biggest issue would be that people could instantly jump from a to b with high value goods in covert haulers or bombers. No longer would you need to haul your high value blueprints (for example) from purchase location to your offices, you could simply jump them there though low population systems, bypassing all gates.

Leaving nuetral covert cyno alts the ultimate in protection, giving unprecedented power to the agressing corp.

The only thing i can see this being used for is harassing non pvp groups and not significantly adding to "pvp in hisec"

all those cloaky haulers skipping past choke points safely with valuable loot =(

one could technically travel across the enitery of hisec without ever touching a gate

Which for those players that like to haul shiny modules to sell this would be a godsend.

neutral logi and covert cynos still do happen in low sec and 00 what would be the difference in hisec.

just give the cyno pilot a suspect and shootable by anybody in the same manner that the new deployables are.

The difference is that in 0.0 I assume everyone not purple, blue, or green is trying to kill me. You cannot make that assumption in highsec and therefore cannot take preventative measures to protect yourself.

Additionally, this would totally be abused to move high value things with complete impunity.

Sounds like fun, but in reality would be terrible. If you can put up a convincing argument as to why it's a good thing for high-security space to have hotdrops, maybe I'll listen, but until then I remain adamant in my stance that this system would be unbeneficial to the game.

Additionally, this would totally be abused to move high value things with complete impunity.

can we get a rig added so that we can send non covert ships through a covert cyno.

small rig only!!!

"small covert-cynosaural field adaptation"

allows (when fitted) the ship to use a covert jump portal.

bonus: able to jump using covert cyno
penalty: mass of hull increased 30%

Additionally, this would totally be abused to move high value things with complete impunity.

couple of points...

people are saying that lighting or using covert cyno would flag you suspect...I thought it was covert? Why would everyone know you have done something covert?

secondly...this would allow large hauler to drastically cut travel routes if used correctly wouldn't it? good for the hauler, bad for the gankers? Or good for the gankers as they can loiter and hot-drop areas with impunity?

You mean like a blockade runner?

...That takes 3 people, costs 10 times as much, and has much much longer training time?

The genuine difficulties i see with this idea is neut cyno alts. they are no where near as easy to identify in high sec as they are low or null.

When I want to move 10b ISK worth of Deadspace loot from 0.0 to Jita to sell, the most dangerous part of that trip is from low sec to highsec and the highsec jumps leading to Jita. Currently, this requires a jump freighter or carrier, multiple cyno's, and a BR. With a covert cyno in Jita, I can now move those mods straight from 0.0 or lowsec to a covert cyno in Jita and have them in station without ever going through a gate. If you don't understand how much this changes the dynamics for high value logistics, you need to spend some time outside highsec.

It takes a couple of alts, which most 0.0 logistics folks have in abundance. A black ops Is way cheaper than a JF and much more secure. I only need to have the covert cyno alt make the last cyno. Which is beside the point since I have multiple cyno V characters.

But hey, if you would prefer to fly your blockade runner through a pipe camped by people who would love to ruin your day, be my guest.

It. Must. Be.

Arguments for that:
1) It's logical. Cynojammers don't prevent covert cynos from being lit.
2) They're unavailable for capitals: only covert ships and Black Ops.
3) Covert Cynos are meant to be used for small- and medium-scaled pvp, it suits very well for highsec wardec pvp.
4) Tonns of fun for wardec pvp. Covert hotdrops, counter-hotdrops and counter-counter-hotdrops, highly mobile fleets.
5) Suits well with Rubicon and capsuleer independence theme.

You read this topic inattentively or don't read at all.
In highsec the threat is a war enemy. When someone declares war against you - you know about it. You're aware that you can be killed. And if you have some brains you start to monitor dscan while ratting and to use a scout while travelling in slow ships.
Most arguments I see in this topic and the second similar - are dictated by the simplest carebear lazyness, making 'bears whine about everything that would make them do additional few clicks to protect themselves.


Actually, I don't really need to convince you. Become a dev or at least csm member, first.
BTW, I'm not answering here to anybody personally. All my answers should be considered like answers to the thoughts in posts, not to the persons.

I've never seen a really significant objection about highsec covcynos in this topic.
Just 2 types:
'bears whining because they would need to use dscan more actively during wartime to see combat probes in time;
other passer-by-s which think (usually based on their minimal experience and knowledge) that covcynos will magically turn transport ships into super mobile super fast hyperspace travellers (while I've explained several times that to move a transport ship it takes 3 accounts active in the same time, at the very least, and such a travel is a pretty sensible routine by itself).

Though, I absolutely agree that liting covcyno should give suspect to the cyno character. And probably even to every pilot who jumps to it.

While the pro-s for this idea are already mentioned in the 1st post. Mostly, it's a damn nice thing for small-scale dogfight-style fun for highsec.
All 'bears should remember, that eve is a pvp game. Yes, marketing, industry and other economical / social stuff between players (not ratting, sorry) - are also part of pvp.

I am beginning to really dislike this hot dropping stuff and covert stuff. Its ruining pvp, people wont engage alot because they know someone has a covert cyno waiting to hotdrop some bops

When I want to move 10b ISK worth of Deadspace loot from 0.0 to Jita to sell, the most dangerous part of that trip is from low sec to highsec and the highsec jumps leading to Jita. Currently, this requires a jump freighter or carrier, multiple cyno's, and a BR. With a covert cyno in Jita, I can now move those mods straight from 0.0 or lowsec to a covert cyno in Jita and have them in station without ever going through a gate. If you don't understand how much this changes the dynamics for high value logistics, you need to spend some time outside highsec.

It takes a couple of alts, which most 0.0 logistics folks have in abundance. A black ops Is way cheaper than a JF and much more secure. I only need to have the covert cyno alt make the last cyno. Which is beside the point since I have multiple cyno V characters.

But hey, if you would prefer to fly your blockade runner through a pipe camped by people who would love to ruin your day, be my guest.