they're 25% better . . . what more do you want? As a person who did train all of the leadership skills to 5 I think this T2 bonus is more than enough.

if someone dont believe me
Here is math in 3 decimals which corresponds to the actual in game values:

Maximum Skills, Orca
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization (2%)
T1 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (4.5%)
T2 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (5%)


with T1 gang links:

Range Link Bonus = 0.045 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.5821875

Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.5821875) = 23.732 km



with T2 gang links:

Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875

Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km

they're 25% better . . . what more do you want? As a person who did train all of the leadership skills to 5 I think this T2 bonus is more than enough.

That with base bonus of 2% for T1, upgrade on T2 (2,5% bonus) is 14% boost...
That with base bonus of 3% for T1, upgrade on T2 (3,5% bonus) is around 10% (didn't calculate this accurate) boost...
That with base bonus of 4,5% for T1, upgrade on T2 (5% bonus) is 4% boost...


Math for the last case:

You do realize that youre talking about applied effect vs statistic effect?
You do realize that the T2 armor hardener only gets a 10% resist bonus over its T1 variant?

This is why I dislike EFT, because people look at the numbers and not the actual effects in game . . .
Allow me to try some math

Armor EM Hardener I - (50%)
Armor EM Hardener II - (55%)

with a T1 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 50% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 25%
Resist net effect = 75%

with a T2 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 55% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 27.5%
Resist net effect = 77.5%

So a T2 Armor EM Hardener only provides a 2.5% applied effect more than the T1 yet for some reason everyone uses T2 . . . I wonder why that is . . .

but if you start from 0% resistance and not from 50% you will get that 55% bonus...
only then that calculation you can compare with gang links.

i love when ppl using stacking penalty mechanic to prove something completely different...

ok, i admit that I was being a bit reductio ad absurdum but you understand my point.

People kill for 1-2% thats why people train skills like advanced weapon upgrades to level 5 . . . if you dont think its worth it, dont train for it.

Also, it wasnt technically the stacking penalty I was using to skew my numbers but rather the way resists work because a stacking penalty specifically applies to multiple modules effecting the same stat.

You do realize that youre talking about applied effect vs statistic effect?
You do realize that the T2 armor hardener only gets a 10% resist bonus over its T1 variant?

This is why I dislike EFT, because people look at the numbers and not the actual effects in game . . .
Allow me to try some math

Armor EM Hardener I - (50%)
Armor EM Hardener II - (55%)

with a T1 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 50% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 25%
Resist net effect = 75%

with a T2 Hardener on an Omen
Base EM Resist = 50%
EM hole to be filled = 50% * 55% module bonus
Applied effect from the module = 27.5%
Resist net effect = 77.5%

So a T2 Armor EM Hardener only provides a 2.5% applied effect more than the T1 yet for some reason everyone uses T2 . . . I wonder why that is . . .

You do realize that youre talking about applied effect vs statistic effect?
You do realize that the T2 armor hardener only gets a 10% resist bonus over its T1 variant?

This is why I dislike EFT, because people look at the numbers and not the actual effects in game . . .
Allow me to try some math

You, sir, fail at maths (at least, at EVE maths).
Yes, the net resistance in this case is 77.5% versus 75%, which is increase of 2.5 if you consider numeric values, however, resistance percentages do not work this way. You have to look at them as damage reduction, thus it's 22.5% damage versus 25%, which is (1-0.225/0.25)*100 = 0.1*100 = 10% (oh, suprise!).
The other thing is, if you apply a single resistance effect you will always get the same damage reduction in percentages, no matter what base resistance you had there. I will illustrate this by saying, that difference between 95% and 97.5% resistances is the same numeric value of 2.5, while this results in whopping 50% decrease in damage (from 5% to 2.5%).

I hope you understood what i was saying.

This also means that 25% increase in ganglink's base bonus will carry over to 25% increase of link's bonus after all skill, implant and hull bonuses (percentage bonuses are essentially multiplication, and the order in which you make the multiplication does not matter).

On the other hand, difference for t2 links vs t1 links is not 25% per se (well, it is 25% for those links that have 2% base).
We're looking at:
2 -> 2.5 = 2,5/2 = +25%
3 -> 3.5 = 3.5/3 = +16.6(6)%
4.5 -> 5 = 5/4.5 = +11.1(1)%

So, for the mining links in question the difference is: 0.646875 / 0.5821875 = 11.1(1)% (suprise?)

edit:
quick tip: when calculating percent difference we divide the new value by the old value, thus, comparing t2 module to t1 module we do (1 - [t2 mod eff.] / [t1 mod eff.]) * 100

it gets a +5% strength bonus . . .

I agree; with the increased damage of the dreadnaughts, triage carriers could use some additional tank . . . though you risk trivializing supercarriers . . . .

Hey in there, you are not forgotten, just a bit busy with multiple stuff coming in.

Here are the iteration changes planned for tech2 mods:
[list]

Triage module II: now provides a 20% capacitor reduction to remote capital armor repairers, remote capital hull repairers, capital shield transfers and capital energy transfers while in triage mode. Doesn't provide any bonus to local repairer/boosters however. Previously the module had little interest to train for, should now be worth the time.

Mining Foreman Link GÇô Mining Laser Field Enhancement II: boost increased from 5 to 5.625%: same reason as above, to keep tech2 boost consistent among all gang links.

Feedback is welcome.

1st - Triage, the 20% cap reduction is awesome, but maybe a little over the top?

Instead of a cap reduction, to your remote abilities, i think it would be better, if it improved your local tank instead. Carriers still get pwned by Supers, and now dreads which does even more damage, are an even greater threat to Carriers.

Of course improving your efficieny on your remote ability, by saving cap, indirectly helps your local tank aswell, because you will have more cap to rep yourself for, but you will still melt to the dps pretty fast.

TLDR; improve local tank... maybe make a 50/50 improvement, with 10% cap reduction to RR, and 10% more armor repped per cycle on your local tank....