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Inquisitor Ageri 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2013.11.20 10:58:00 - [1] - Quote This thread came up a couple days ago and was brought to my mind again last night after flying for a little while in a FW PVP fleet. I have been kicked from fleets before for not having a microphone set up, due to the fact that because of my living circumstances I cannot always be talking down a mic. But I flew in this fleet last night despite that, and actually found that even with all of our other members having active voice comms, the coherence of the fleet during combat was still pretty diabolical. For example, at one point we had the FC screaming at us to "kill the Thorax" whilst half of us were in one system, and half of us were in another, and people's voices were tripping over each other for priority, my ears were getting blown up from mic feedback, and the FC generally had a noisy garbled mic. Would it have been such a backwards step to instead have used the broadcast system for fleet movement and cohesion, or to simply link the system? The broadcast system is there, it is good, but no-one I ever come across seems to know how to set it up properly and use it. Players without the ability to always use a mic seem to be stigmatized in a PVP fleet setting and considered not viable, but would an extra voice really add so much to fleet cohesion, or would proper use of linking-in-chat and broadcasts actually bring more concise information to the attention of the FC, without so much confusion?
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 345	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:03:00 - [2] - Quote We have several players who can't use mics, and that's fine, they just don't get to FC/scout. People will say no as a rule of thumb for all kinds of reasons, but it's really just laziness. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Anomaly One 43	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:04:00 - [3] - Quote Out of all the FCs I've listened to there was only one that I actually understood what the hell he was saying.. never used a mic actually, don't have one and can't talk anyway lol Fly solo :p ~~running my own mission and have some class bully run up and blow me up because they think its funny, then give the excuses that I was just firing fireworks at you~~
Roime Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 3677	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:07:00 - [4] - Quote Try to FC a fleet without yourself, scout and pilots on voice comms and then tell us how it goes. **** voice comms are **, but typing in chat and fighting has never worked and never will, because you only have two hands. Notify*-á-á You cannot do that* while warping.
March rabbit True Horde 885	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:14:00 - [5] - Quote as it looks most people just too stupid/lazy to write and read. They can only speak and listen (sometimes).... That's why you need voice comms for fleet ops. Null people are like a kid who broke his own toy and is jealous about another kid that still has a new, shiny toy. In the kid's mind, the only way to happiness is to grab that shiny toy and break it so both kids are in equal misery.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1824	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:17:00 - [6] - Quote I've been a tolerated and functional fleet member in Chaotic Tranquility fleets without the mike since I started playing. Of course, this does preclude me from mike-essential roles such as scout. A good fleet uses voice, chat links and broadcasts. You're in militia corp, were you in a pick-up fleet?
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 804	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:20:00 - [7] - Quote March rabbit wrote: as it looks most people just too stupid/lazy to write and read. They can only speak and listen (sometimes).... That's why you need voice comms for fleet ops. When you are controlling 3-4 accounts, its nearly impossible o rely on written stuff "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1101	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:22:00 - [8] - Quote The problem was that your fleet had no fleet comm discipline what so ever. I honestly dont know how people can do effective fleets WITHOUT comms. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 346	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:25:00 - [9] - Quote Anomaly One wrote: Out of all the FCs I've listened to there was only one that I actually understood what the hell he was saying.. never used a mic actually, don't have one and can't talk anyway lol I used to try writing in fleet chat but they never checked it when on coms maybe 30 mins later... and it was a drag for some and I agree writing isn't viable while pvp you lose significant time. I'm honestly in the same boat as you with this Quote: but would an extra voice really add so much to fleet cohesion, or would proper use of linking-in-chat and broadcasts actually bring more concise information to the attention of the FC, without so much confusion? broadcasts definitely.. they didn't use em though :p Fly solo! Dude... ur face... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 599	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:27:00 - [10] - Quote I found it helps a lot if the fleetmembers have at least some experience and situational awareness. For example, if you set up a gatecamp on both sides of the gate and the enemy fleet jumps through the gate, things become a lot easier if you just can call "jump" and not have half of the fleet jump OUT of the system the enemy has just jumped into.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Need to advertise your Corp or service? Look no further, this space is now for rent!
Sipphakta en Gravonere 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 402	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:32:00 - [11] - Quote I was attending quite some fleets where the FC was deaf and used broadcasts and fleet warps to FC. And to be honest, those fleets were always those with the least screw-ups, due to the fact that players were more concentrated and focused. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my **** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted
Samoth Egnoled 26299	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:36:00 - [12] - Quote I used to avoid talking on Comm's due to real life shyness, so i understand where you are coming from. However i had a very understanding corp that brought me out of my shell, and now i use it all the time. For me i dont worry if people can't use TS all the time, I ask that they make an effort to get a mic in the future, but if they can't use it all the time real life comes first. The broad cast system needs reworking in my oppinion, in a fleet setup with pvp going on, its not easy to FC broadcast and PVP yourself. Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 419	Posted - 2013.11.20 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote Normal pilots in a fleet don't need a mic, anyone who says they do is talking ***. If you're not an FC/targetcaller/scout/etc, you probably shouldn't be talking anyway. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 149	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote KuroVolt wrote: The problem was that your fleet had no fleet comm discipline what so ever. Maybe the problem was that his fleet didn't know what they were doing. If the fleet commanders/controllers/special operators have to tell their tacklers to tackle, and have to tell their DPSers to do damage, and have to tell their ewar pilots to jam, tracking disrupt, sensor dampen, etc., and have to tell their logistics wing to repair the ships in the fleet that are taking damage, and have to ask their scouts "Hey, WTF's going on? Where are you? Where am I? Why are we here?", then there is a good possibility that your fleet is [expletive deleted]. You should all probably go back to the staging system and un-[expletive deleted] your fleet before moving out again. Wolves don't "talk" to eachother when they are hunting in a pack. Talking is for briefings and training missions.
Prince Kobol 1170	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:12:00 - [15] - Quote I love Fleet Comms. I especially love it when the FC has a complete melt down and just rages at the fleet. Long Live Fleet Comms
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4607	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:18:00 - [16] - Quote lol voice
NOT Mohammed The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:27:00 - [17] - Quote I have never seen someone kicked from fleet for no mic, when I have fc'd in the past I found myself wishing half the guys in fleet didn't have mics. Having a headset for listening is the important part. If you wanted to scout/lead a fleet then a mic becomes important
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1187	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:41:00 - [18] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Normal pilots in a fleet don't need a mic, anyone who says they do is talking ****. If you're not an FC/targetcaller/scout/etc, you probably shouldn't be talking anyway. That, too much noise as it is already. All you need is to be able to listen or with fleet mates having a hearing problem someone typing the orders in fleet chat. Which with some FC's with bad mic's/bad engrish should be mandatory. Also wb. :)
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 1966	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:05:00 - [19] - Quote Inquisitor Ageri wrote: I have been kicked from fleets before for not having a microphone set up, due to the fact that because of my living circumstances I cannot always be talking down a mic. You shouldn't be up playing games after bedtime. Go read a book, it'll be better for you. Do it now, before it's too late. Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1565	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:13:00 - [20] - Quote This character's alliance, despite being an ostensible highsec alliance for newbies, has absolutely wonderful fleet discipline. Better than when I was in nullsec, better than Fweddit (It would almost have to be, though, we were effing crazy at the beginning), and the few mistakes I ever see are made by people who legitimately have never done something before. But they shrug it off, they reship, and they are eager to fight again. Seriously, I have the best alliance in highsec. But I digress. The point is that it's not about where you are, what part of space, or how old your character is. It's about fleet discipline, it's about FCs who are willing to teach, and players who are willing to learn. And having spent a little while actually in FW, and about the same time offhandedly ganking ya'll as a neutral, I have come to the determination that FW pilots are in general fairly insane. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Laserak GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 164	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote Hang on a second guys, I'm typing out what to do as this cyno here goes up on the edge of out titan pos and PL is jumping in..
Plug in Baby Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber 31	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:34:00 - [22] - Quote Inquisitor Ageri wrote: But I flew in this fleet last night despite that, and actually found that even with all of our other members having active voice comms, the coherence of the fleet during combat was still pretty diabolical. Wait, what? Quote: 24th Imperial Crusade ..aaah. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Sevendeadly Sins Meatshield Bastards The Bastards. 18	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:40:00 - [23] - Quote The corp I'm in needs everyone to have a mic, because saying that you've pointed the target is pretty damn faster than typing it.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 399	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:32:00 - [24] - Quote Inquisitor Ageri wrote: Players without the ability to always use a mic seem to be stigmatized in a PVP fleet setting and considered not viable, but would an extra voice really add so much to fleet cohesion, or would proper use of linking-in-chat and broadcasts actually bring more concise information to the attention of the FC, without so much confusion? Pretty much no. Having a mic is not synonymous with just adding your voice to the babble of crappy comms discipline. No amount of non-voice communication can make up for what is lost. Broadcasts are pretty unnecessary beyond assisting with target calling and logi. Voice comms are absolutely vital, even if you don't have a microphone. If you don't have a microphone at all, that's pretty inexcusable short of it being broken, in which case go buy a new one. Expecting people to read your fleet chat is unreasonable in EVERY situation. If you can't be yelling into your microphone, learn to whisper? Its not about always having something to say, rather its about having the ability to communicate vital information when necessary. The smaller the gang and the roam, and the more initiative needs to be taken by fleet members. instant communication is vital. Lastly, most pvp corps, and even non pvp corps, develop part of their corp culture through casual voice comms. Being unable or unwilling to engage EVER in voice comms is not acceptable for most people, and for good reason. Fighting is Magic
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 425	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:00:00 - [25] - Quote Mayhaw Morgan wrote: ask their scouts "Hey, WTF's going on? Where are you? Where am I? Why are we here?" My [expletive deleted] sides [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1825	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:03:00 - [26] - Quote how will i know if i am adequately proficient in hull tanking now e: from this we will all learn not to use browser tabs while replying to forum threads e: seriously i have no idea what happened here
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Desperado-Enforcement LLC 30	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:51:00 - [27] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Normal pilots in a fleet don't need a mic, anyone who says they do is talking ****. If you're not an FC/targetcaller/scout/etc, you probably shouldn't be talking anyway. Unless you're in a small gang that requires members to fulfill dual roles. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 714	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:13:00 - [28] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: I love Fleet Comms. I especially love it when the FC has a complete melt down and just rages at the fleet. Long Live Fleet Comms There's a song for that: https://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/makalu-cries I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.
Captain Tardbar Sons of Sam 713	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:13:00 - [29] - Quote Screaming bloody murder on voice coms always gets the attention quicker than typing in ALL CAPS. Though it might be the awoxing kind of attention. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Prince Sanguine 71	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:19:00 - [30] - Quote It sounds like most people here have just had bad fcs. I've been in small and large fleets and noticed that most of the fails come from a bad fc, or players not paying attention. In a game where team work is essential to live/grow comms are a necessary. Some fcs let members get too "relaxed" or never chat chat but the good one's do constantly. People need to speak up or ask questions on comms if they have no idea what to do. I understand some players are deaf or mute (being fast ft is pretty easy) but sometimes on the fly calls need to be made and that's where comms either help you win or lose. Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me.

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