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Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
76
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:44:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
Sounds like "EVE-midlife crisis" to me... May you find peace... |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
324
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:45:00 -
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I understand the charm of making stuff, i do. I ran a hisec pos for research and copying. Fueled the damn thing with PI from 9 jumps away in an 0.9 system. Actually made labs from PI scratch, took ages. Did the numbers, pretty much worked out to doing it at a loss. Null PI is so fat you can't see around it.
I understand the charm of breaking stuff, i do. From tactics that let me drop a thrasher in range of a dramiel, to one-shotting ceptors in a sniping oracool. Flying logi in a gang, swarming out for home def fleets, using perches to jump tourists. Structure bashes, bubble camps, station timers i am your x monkey.
Where you lose me is the isk space money stuff. I'm time poor, i can't devote 2 hrs to grinding space money. I've done some PVE fleet ups for interests sake but if i want isk i buy a couple plex and sell em, only had to do it a few times thanks to SRP and the aforementioned null PI but you knowmsayin. I remember my first million salvaging wrecks, hitting 40 million doing missions, hitting 800 million shooting npc haulers. After that i was cured of the whole income thing. You set up some faucets, fiddle with em from time to time and you log in to have fun.
Enjoy my wallotext, these threads about waah muh munniez are a drag. Isk is a means not an end.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:47:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Why bother with anything? All happiness is fleeting and we live in an uncaring universe devoid of purpose and meaning, children of a dead god.
{Sob!}
Stop reminding me! |
Shadow Love
Dirt Diggers Inc
73
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:51:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Shadow Love wrote:I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it.
yes because if we know anything about clueless miners, its that they love to watch the world burn
U mad at my industry ganks bruh? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
427
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:56:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:those who simply want to watch the world burn Not having a clue what you're doing is a far cry from having more of a clue than most. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
x1984x
Empty Wallets Inc. Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:29:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Ironically for you, the abysmal returns on anything industry related is precisely because of the ridiculously productive conditions in hisec. When everyone can mass-produce with ease and plexed alt accounts, this drives the returns to indy play into the mud, leaving profitable indy to the most vile of spreadsheet nerds with 20 accounts and the complete lack of social awareness requisite to point and click yourself into blissful oblivion in your mom's basement.
The best possible hope for returning indy play to a proftable endeavor for the average player is to decouple it from the near-perfect safety and manufacturing capacity that allows for vast economies of scale. When individual players making individual decisions while cooperating and competing with other players decides the profitability of indy play, then you will see the returns to such play rise appropriately.
They are addressing the issues with indy play, just not in the way the average joe hisec would imagine
Well said. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
280
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:32:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote: Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? .
Oo
I dont know.. i make a very good profit on it thank you very much. do your homework beforehand and you can find nice stuff to build |
Shadow Love
Dirt Diggers Inc
73
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:34:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Shadow Love wrote:those who simply want to watch the world burn Not having a clue what you're doing is a far cry from having more of a clue than most.
I don't get it. Hurrr durrr.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here because, uh, forums. But my main point is this... I don't see much difference between these two statements.
"Miners are not realizing the isk value of their ore when they manufacture goods, resulting in baseline prices that result in a loss! This affects me negatively, and I don't like it. I really wish these other players would stop doing things that ruin my EVE experience."
and
"Gankers are not respecting my method of play, they gank my ship and I have no chance to defend myself! This makes me mad, and I don't like it. I really wish these other players would stop doing things that ruin my my EVE experience."
=
"WAHHHHHHHHHH"
I think the proper forum response to both of these statements is "HTFU", but I could be wrong. I don't think I am though. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
732
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:36:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
If you fail to make solid and stable profits after 6 years then I think it safe to conclude that EvE is not a game suited for your talents.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
215
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:37:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
WTF are you on about? Did you not take stuff out of custom offices? |
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Brylan Grey
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:04:00 -
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All the people I know that do industry stuff have tons of isk... But they spend a ton of time managing it etc. |
Adunh Slavy
1289
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:15:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote: The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
So, all in all, you are asking questions about opportunity cost, one of your ordinal wants being fun and enjoyment. So you are asking questions like an economist, so a bit curious title for your thread.
Perhaps you should ask if this is any longer fun and enjoyable and what might be fun and enjoyable instead of Eve, with your time, with your $15/month. If you find something better, do it and have fun, if not, enjoy what you have.
Either way, you have still bothered with economics, and that is the answer to your question. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
313
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
Funny i am not yet a year old and am making 700 mill a week from manufacturing and about 250 mill/week from PI (Pi on more than 1 account). i have just started inventing but so far is making a (small) profit. I am allergic to spreadsheets and generally make things i already have bpo's for as constant research = effort. I have to wonder how people can fail to find profit in these activities when i make so much with so low SP and so little effort. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
26
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:36:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
If you manufacture with the BPCs you make it will make you TONS of profit, as it costs far less than contract price per BPC, and even with a 50% success rate it would still cost less than the outrageous prices on contracts. I'vs seen people selling t2 BPCs where the cost of the BPC is more than the profit made by manufacturing off it... |
Bruce Kemp
The Tuskers
63
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:58:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
I think you should try to discover PVP.
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Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:14:00 -
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YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR! TAKE HIM AWAY! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1315
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:18:00 -
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Buy LOW sell LOWER. Nyan |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
259
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:13:00 -
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lol at esp the invention whine hahaha , god you pathetic , six years in high sec , thats okey if you ask me but dont whine about its high sec The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
259
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:14:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
oh yeah what bothers me , that after 3 pages you still not comment back , you should be forum banned The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
204
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:24:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:
oh yeah what bothers me , that after 3 pages you still not comment back , you should be forum banned
This, coupled with the "invention is bad mkay" statement brings me to two possible conculsions.
A)This is a troll and at 3 pages so far, I have to him a grudging 6/10 if thatGÇÖs the case B)The OP is monumentally stupid.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8670
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Posted - 2013.11.21 09:27:00 -
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I tried invention once. Got some good runs on t2 guns without even knowing what I was doing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1188
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:34:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared)
Wait, what? You're playing EVE for 6 years and you left your stuff in an insecure place other then a station and expected it to stay there?
The only one you should be angry with is you yourself.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
807
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:45:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
You realize that if they cuted your production costs by half.. the ONLy result would be the final value on market dropp9ign to half and you keeping roughly same profit?
That is just the result of so many people competing on a market Eve is a supreme proof that an economy of competition can do.
What eve lacks is a way for peopel to invest to get more efficient, like real research and improvment of your processes. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1575
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Posted - 2013.11.21 10:51:00 -
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"Why bother with economics at all?"
Well, if you like money... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
75
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:05:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: You also say trade is not worth the time! Trading is the single easiest route to isk in this game.
yeah, however, I still cannot decide what's worse: mining or trading. At least you can mine AFK.
so, I try to avoid both. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
2503
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:53:00 -
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Will not me missed Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
113
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:44:00 -
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2/10
For getting as many replies as OP did |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1036
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:12:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg
That same .jpg applies as well to people who think the problem with the US education system started with Obama. LMMFAO! |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
45
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:20:00 -
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Psyue Mi wrote:Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend?
Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get.
Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid?
Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time?
With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat?
Really poor choices coming from the developers/management.
As a 6 year player, I'm just about done.
The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
I am going to attempt to address your questions line by line with the hopes that my keystrokes will not be wasted... ready? If invention does not work out to profit, perhaps you should do something like increase your fun/hr and allow the ISK to follow. Manufacturing can be a drain on the Wallet or immensely profitable - choose your blueprints and market wisely. PI is great passive income, period. It's sorta like free ISK/time assuming you can market the goods you harvest - if not, what have you lost? You mention ship combat as if that possibility is foreign to New Eden... a 6yr player should know better, honestly. You say the game is not worth your time... finally, what you actually meant to say with this post. Do not blame the market, destroyed POCOs or Industry for a lack of interest. Switch up your play style or buy PLEX and do whatever you wanna do. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
154
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:28:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg That same .jpg applies as well to people who think the problem with the US education system started with Obama. LMMFAO!
Wait... Did you just blame President Bush for the state of New Eden? A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |
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