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Psyue Mi Iron Sun Explorations 0	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest ** (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? ** poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5188	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote Ok, thanks. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
Solstice Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4610	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY !!! ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 7453	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:48:00 - [4] - Quote Not so stealth Highsec POCO whine thread. Come to null. The PI is better, the people are better, the pew pew is better...pretty much the everything is better. THe only trade off is that you cant AFK yourself around....unless youre cloaky camping a system..in which case AFKing yourself is recommended. See also: Highsec problems. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Sacu Shi Up2-NoGood Intrepid Crossing 2	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:49:00 - [5] - Quote Can I haz your stuff then? edit for manners Please?
Noriko Mai 1060	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:49:00 - [6] - Quote It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3500	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote Stuff please. Bye.
Gamer4liff GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 63	Posted - 2013.11.20 18:56:00 - [8] - Quote You're right, nobody should make anything ever, particularly the things I make. Stop it. Seriously.
Gaia Ma'chello V.I.C.E. 91	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:06:00 - [9] - Quote *Gaia Ma'chello digs out from a huge pile of ISK, holding a bag. "I found by PLEX stash. What was that about economics being useless?"
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 131	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:09:00 - [10] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? What in the actual **** are you on about, exactly? Invention is an amazing money-maker, and it doesn't matter how much it costs - that cost is factored into the price of the items. There is no MAY about it. When I do invention, I get paid.

Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 591	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:13:00 - [11] - Quote Invention is too expensive? Wait....what?
Samuel Moore Walton Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan 25	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:14:00 - [12] - Quote This is really just another "INTERCEPTORS SHOULDN'T BE NULLIFIED" Thread. * I agree with you, mineral prices have fallen like a rock, I've seen people running 10 or even 25 interceptors at a time and I KNOW they are full of veldspar. This is just another attack on the income of the industrialist!
Tollen Gallen Xionworld 3032	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote I like Cake. Zimmy Zeta -I f*cking love martinis.the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 1755	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:14:00 - [14] - Quote Ironically for you, the abysmal returns on anything industry related is precisely because of the ridiculously productive conditions in hisec. When everyone can mass-produce with ease and plexed alt accounts, this drives the returns to indy play into the mud, leaving profitable indy to the most vile of spreadsheet nerds with 20 accounts and the complete lack of social awareness requisite to point and click yourself into blissful oblivion in your mom's basement. The best possible hope for returning indy play to a proftable endeavor for the average player is to decouple it from the near-perfect safety and manufacturing capacity that allows for vast economies of scale. When individual players making individual decisions while cooperating and competing with other players decides the profitability of indy play, then you will see the returns to such play rise appropriately. They are addressing the issues with indy play, just not in the way the average joe hisec would imagine Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Nolen Cadmar Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking 26	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:15:00 - [15] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. 1) Lots of people make TONS of money on through invention...I mean, everyone producing T2 stuff is losing money and it's horrible, don't try it. 2) There's lots of profit to be made if you just research the BPO's and know how/where to obtain minerals for lower prices. 3) There's easy money to be made in PI. Set it up once, poke it once a day and make 100M+ per month. Again you just need to know how/where to do it. 4) Everyone was warned beforehand that POCO's could be destroyed. Leaving loads of materials in them is your own fault. I initially thought player-owned POCO's would be a horrible idea, but I've since changed my mind. I like it. Should be a good conflict driver. If EVE's not worth your time, then go do something else, stating problems that are not actually problems is of no use to anyone. From your complaints it seems you just don't know how to do things right. And EVE's all about fun anyways... Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3651	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:21:00 - [16] - Quote Here's a novel idea OP... why don't you raise your prices? Or, if market prices (which behave irrationally in ANY economy with little to no rules) are under production costs, stockpile for when the market catches up. Also... the entire game is based primarily around conflict between players... not [just] semi-passive accumulation of wealth. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Captain Tardbar Sons of Sam 716	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:26:00 - [17] - Quote Its because people think minerals don't cost anything when you mine it yourself. They don't bother to do the calculations to see they are actually losing money because they manufactured a good with it. Yes, most of the market is that dumb. Personally, I only make stuff that costs more than it takes to make it. I own a large trading empire on a good people are too bothered to go to Jita for. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
Kara Trix PVE Corporation 24	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:46:00 - [18] - Quote I get it.... after 6 years, you must be sort of bored with the play style you've been doing. I felt that way and just game my characters away (do it with every game I play). If I get bored, I start over and it's fun again. It's a game after all.... sell your toons on the bazaar and start over with a combat toon. Lose your ships and fight pirates. It will be a different experience anyway, but don't leave the game without getting your chance at being a bad guy first or a terrible PVPer and laugh yourself to sleep at night for the mistakes you'll make. by now you must have a bunch of ISk, so do something crazy and have fun again. Best
Caelestina Chill Cabal Northern Associates. 4	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:51:00 - [19] - Quote Posting in stealth "Save the Whales" thread.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 414	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:59:00 - [20] - Quote Posts: why care about economics? Proceeds to complain about manufacturing. Actually is crying about POCOs. lol Fighting is Magic

destiny2 Perkone Caldari State 267	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:59:00 - [21] - Quote this sounds like one of those You mad bro threads.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:59:00 - [22] - Quote Again, notice the posters after the OP. What is more likely...that the OP is legit or that it is an alt of one of the people so quick to post after the OP? Alavaria Fera - What do you think about this?
Shadow Love Dirt Diggers Inc 72	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:19:00 - [23] - Quote I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it.
Nolen Cadmar Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking 26	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:23:00 - [24] - Quote Shadow Love wrote: I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it. Indeed. As an obvious spreadsheet nerd, it annoys me. But having many different player mentalities is what makes EVE so unique and fun...at least for me. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379
Batelle Komm susser Tod 418	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:25:00 - [25] - Quote Shadow Love wrote: I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it. yes because if we know anything about clueless miners, its that they love to watch the world burn Fighting is Magic
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1156	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:26:00 - [26] - Quote clearly a stealth nerf afk cloaking thread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 591	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:30:00 - [27] - Quote Shadow Love wrote: I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it. Oh, we can, we buy their stuff at 50% below build value and resell it at 30% above market value :) (I think you are mixing up spreadsheeters for industry with spreadsheeters for trade....the indy bunnies dislike stuff being sold below build cost.....traders dont care about the build cost, only about the difference between buy and sell)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1838	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:34:00 - [28] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Transitionary periods right after every major patch are to be expected and planned for, or at the very least, avoided. Post transitionary period, if something is not profitable enough, less people will do it, until it becomes profitable again, almost exactly as profitable as before the patch, with a few exceptions every now and then, but seldom major ones. Basically, nothing really changes all that much as long as you ride out the bumpy post-patch period (if you would have been cunning and "on the ball" enough, you could have made a tidy profit just from those bumps themselves). CCP doesn't "set" your profitability - the mass actions of you and all other players do that just fine. CCP merely tweak the ratios which allow more or less people to participate at a certain profitability level, no more, no less. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T Build your own EVE PC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734
RAW23 500	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:34:00 - [29] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. The economy ... you are doing it wrong. Small margins multiplied by high volumes can equal huge amounts of isk. As to the percentage chances in invention, the percentages are known and you just have to factor the failure % into you build cost so it is spread over the items. Successes and failures will average out pretty quickly and the overall long-term patterns are entirely predictable. You also say trade is not worth the time! Trading is the single easiest route to isk in this game. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Johnny Marzetti GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1326	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:39:00 - [30] - Quote Why bother with anything? All happiness is fleeting and we live in an uncaring universe devoid of purpose and meaning, children of a dead god.

Janna Sway GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance 76	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:44:00 - [31] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. Sounds like "EVE-midlife crisis" to me... May you find peace...
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 324	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:45:00 - [32] - Quote I understand the charm of making stuff, i do. I ran a hisec pos for research and copying. Fueled the damn thing with PI from 9 jumps away in an 0.9 system. Actually made labs from PI scratch, took ages. Did the numbers, pretty much worked out to doing it at a loss. Null PI is so fat you can't see around it. I understand the charm of breaking stuff, i do. From tactics that let me drop a thrasher in range of a dramiel, to one-shotting ceptors in a sniping oracool. Flying logi in a gang, swarming out for home def fleets, using perches to jump tourists. Structure bashes, bubble camps, station timers i am your x monkey. Where you lose me is the isk space money stuff. I'm time poor, i can't devote 2 hrs to grinding space money. I've done some PVE fleet ups for interests sake but if i want isk i buy a couple plex and sell em, only had to do it a few times thanks to SRP and the aforementioned null PI but you knowmsayin. I remember my first million salvaging wrecks, hitting 40 million doing missions, hitting 800 million shooting npc haulers. After that i was cured of the whole income thing. You set up some faucets, fiddle with em from time to time and you log in to have fun. Enjoy my wallotext, these threads about waah muh munniez are a drag. Isk is a means not an end. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 190	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:47:00 - [33] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Why bother with anything? All happiness is fleeting and we live in an uncaring universe devoid of purpose and meaning, children of a dead god. {Sob!} Stop reminding me!
Shadow Love Dirt Diggers Inc 73	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:51:00 - [34] - Quote Batelle wrote: Shadow Love wrote: I love the "minerals I mine are free" people, because they make all the spreadsheet nerds mad. It's amusing to see the people that play the game solely to make as many .01 isks as possible dumbfounded by those who simply want to watch the world burn, and can't do a damn thing about it. yes because if we know anything about clueless miners, its that they love to watch the world burn U mad at my industry ganks bruh?
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 427	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:56:00 - [35] - Quote Shadow Love wrote: those who simply want to watch the world burn Not having a clue what you're doing is a far cry from having more of a clue than most. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
x1984x Empty Wallets Inc. Fatal Ascension 1	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:29:00 - [36] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Ironically for you, the abysmal returns on anything industry related is precisely because of the ridiculously productive conditions in hisec. When everyone can mass-produce with ease and plexed alt accounts, this drives the returns to indy play into the mud, leaving profitable indy to the most vile of spreadsheet nerds with 20 accounts and the complete lack of social awareness requisite to point and click yourself into blissful oblivion in your mom's basement. The best possible hope for returning indy play to a proftable endeavor for the average player is to decouple it from the near-perfect safety and manufacturing capacity that allows for vast economies of scale. When individual players making individual decisions while cooperating and competing with other players decides the profitability of indy play, then you will see the returns to such play rise appropriately. They are addressing the issues with indy play, just not in the way the average joe hisec would imagine Well said.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 280	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:32:00 - [37] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? . Oo I dont know.. i make a very good profit on it thank you very much. do your homework beforehand and you can find nice stuff to build
Shadow Love Dirt Diggers Inc 73	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:34:00 - [38] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Shadow Love wrote: those who simply want to watch the world burn Not having a clue what you're doing is a far cry from having more of a clue than most. I don't get it. Hurrr durrr. I'm just playing devil's advocate here because, uh, forums. But my main point is this... I don't see much difference between these two statements. "Miners are not realizing the isk value of their ore when they manufacture goods, resulting in baseline prices that result in a loss! This affects me negatively, and I don't like it. I really wish these other players would stop doing things that ruin my EVE experience." and "Gankers are not respecting my method of play, they gank my ship and I have no chance to defend myself! This makes me mad, and I don't like it. I really wish these other players would stop doing things that ruin my my EVE experience." = "WAHHHHHHHHHH" I think the proper forum response to both of these statements is "HTFU", but I could be wrong. I don't think I am though.
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 732	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:36:00 - [39] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. If you fail to make solid and stable profits after 6 years then I think it safe to conclude that EvE is not a game suited for your talents. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
Dalmont Delantee Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:37:00 - [40] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. WTF are you on about? Did you not take stuff out of custom offices?

Brylan Grey The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:04:00 - [41] - Quote All the people I know that do industry stuff have tons of isk... But they spend a ton of time managing it etc.
Adunh Slavy 1289	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:15:00 - [42] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. So, all in all, you are asking questions about opportunity cost, one of your ordinal wants being fun and enjoyment. So you are asking questions like an economist, so a bit curious title for your thread. Perhaps you should ask if this is any longer fun and enjoyable and what might be fun and enjoyable instead of Eve, with your time, with your $15/month. If you find something better, do it and have fun, if not, enjoy what you have. Either way, you have still bothered with economics, and that is the answer to your question. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 313	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 - [43] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. Funny i am not yet a year old and am making 700 mill a week from manufacturing and about 250 mill/week from PI (Pi on more than 1 account). i have just started inventing but so far is making a (small) profit. I am allergic to spreadsheets and generally make things i already have bpo's for as constant research = effort. I have to wonder how people can fail to find profit in these activities when i make so much with so low SP and so little effort. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial 26	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:36:00 - [44] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. If you manufacture with the BPCs you make it will make you TONS of profit, as it costs far less than contract price per BPC, and even with a 50% success rate it would still cost less than the outrageous prices on contracts. I'vs seen people selling t2 BPCs where the cost of the BPC is more than the profit made by manufacturing off it...
Bruce Kemp The Tuskers 63	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:58:00 - [45] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. I think you should try to discover PVP.
Richard Ramlrez Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:14:00 - [46] - Quote YOU ARE PART OF THE REBEL ALLIANCE AND A TRAITOR! TAKE HIM AWAY!
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 1315	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:18:00 - [47] - Quote Buy LOW sell LOWER. Nyan
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 259	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:13:00 - [48] - Quote lol at esp the invention whine hahaha , god you pathetic , six years in high sec , thats okey if you ask me but dont whine about its high sec The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 259	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:14:00 - [49] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. oh yeah what bothers me , that after 3 pages you still not comment back , you should be forum banned The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Mythrandier Spacelane Salvage 204	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:24:00 - [50] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: oh yeah what bothers me , that after 3 pages you still not comment back , you should be forum banned This, coupled with the "invention is bad mkay" statement brings me to two possible conculsions. A)This is a troll and at 3 pages so far, I have to him a grudging 6/10 if thatGÇÖs the case B)The OP is monumentally stupid. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams.

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 8670	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:27:00 - [51] - Quote I tried invention once. Got some good runs on t2 guns without even knowing what I was doing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1188	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:34:00 - [52] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) Wait, what? You're playing EVE for 6 years and you left your stuff in an insecure place other then a station and expected it to stay there? The only one you should be angry with is you yourself.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 807	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:45:00 - [53] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. You realize that if they cuted your production costs by half.. the ONLy result would be the final value on market dropp9ign to half and you keeping roughly same profit? That is just the result of so many people competing on a market Eve is a supreme proof that an economy of competition can do. What eve lacks is a way for peopel to invest to get more efficient, like real research and improvment of your processes. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 1575	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:51:00 - [54] - Quote "Why bother with economics at all?" Well, if you like money... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
embrel BamBam Inc. 75	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:05:00 - [55] - Quote RAW23 wrote: You also say trade is not worth the time! Trading is the single easiest route to isk in this game. yeah, however, I still cannot decide what's worse: mining or trading. At least you can mine AFK. so, I try to avoid both.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 2503	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:53:00 - [56] - Quote Will not me missed Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
lollerwaffle Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 113	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:44:00 - [57] - Quote 2/10 For getting as many replies as OP did
Slade Trillgon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1036	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:12:00 - [58] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg That same .jpg applies as well to people who think the problem with the US education system started with Obama. LMMFAO!
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:20:00 - [59] - Quote Psyue Mi wrote: Why bother with science and trade and planetary management when its not worth the time you spend? Invention is too expensive for the results you MAY get. Why bother manufacturing objects when the cost to manufacture is just slightly below what you MAY get paid? Why bother with planetary management when the customs offices remove any possibility of making a profit when spending the time? With this latest r@pe (oh yeah, when all the supplies you had in the customs offices disappeared) of planetary supplies and materials, why would anyone bother to do anything but ship combat? Really poor choices coming from the developers/management. As a 6 year player, I'm just about done. The game is no longer worth my time and efforts. I am going to attempt to address your questions line by line with the hopes that my keystrokes will not be wasted... ready? If invention does not work out to profit, perhaps you should do something like increase your fun/hr and allow the ISK to follow. Manufacturing can be a drain on the Wallet or immensely profitable - choose your blueprints and market wisely. PI is great passive income, period. It's sorta like free ISK/time assuming you can market the goods you harvest - if not, what have you lost? You mention ship combat as if that possibility is foreign to New Eden... a 6yr player should know better, honestly. You say the game is not worth your time... finally, what you actually meant to say with this post. Do not blame the market, destroyed POCOs or Industry for a lack of interest. Switch up your play style or buy PLEX and do whatever you wanna do.
Xavier Higdon Wolfbane Hauler Inc 154	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:28:00 - [60] - Quote Slade Trillgon wrote: Noriko Mai wrote: It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg That same .jpg applies as well to people who think the problem with the US education system started with Obama. LMMFAO! Wait... Did you just blame President Bush for the state of New Eden? A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273

Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4859	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:48:00 - [61] - Quote Slade Trillgon wrote: Noriko Mai wrote: It must be this youth obsession. After six years in EVE and still as clever as a noob coming from WoW. obama-not-bad.jpg That same .jpg applies as well to people who think the problem with the US education system started with Obama. LMMFAO! Well, at least we found something he didn't screw up. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Eram Fidard Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 469	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:25:00 - [62] - Quote So, you bought some invention supplies on sell order in Jita. You buy minerals @ Jita sell and anchor a pos where you require standings, and charters in addition to (retail price again, I'm guessing) fuel. You spend your time (valued at your highest isk/hour activity so "6-year vet" = "200m isk/hr") moving all these things into position each week, and clicking planets. Then you go and place your finished product on the market. I forgot to mention perfect market skills. You have those? If you're not prepared to train "Production Efficiency VI", why should your activities be profitable in hi-sec? Other people are willing to optimize their production chain efficiency, what makes you exempt? Yes, there are producers who: -buy at reduced rates directly from 'gatherers' -use POS with sov-granted fuel cost reductions -contract out menial tasks to spend their online time most efficiently -organize their production lines to remove inefficiencies -extract PI materials at much higher rates in low and null -are nice enough to their corp members/mates they can effectively get 'free fuel' through occasional fleet ops -sell and buy on the market smartly, withholding or dumping stock as appropriate -have perfect market skills to further increase profitability ...and... to those people, that is their definition of 'fun' in eve. If your definition of 'fun' is watching your wallet grow, and you are 6 years in, not making profit in hi-sec industry; I propose you are going about it wrong, that it is you, the problem, unwilling to fix yourself. Pretty long post to call you a troll, I know, but I made it because I didn't think you realize you are trolling. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Psyue Mi Iron Sun Explorations 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:12:00 - [63] - Quote Since the bulk of the comments were negative, I figured why bother to respond. As for increasing my skills, most of my science and r&d/manufacturing skills are at 5s. I joined the game to wingman a pal who left me hanging, and having been pushed to be 'the manufacturing/R&D side of the game. As I don't really enjoy having large groups gank me, I went with it. So now I am rebuilding ship fighting skills, but frankly the ship fighting side doesn't work too well as an independant.
Spurty V0LTA Triumvirate. 1021	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:49:00 - [64] - Quote How's about when a players ship dies, nothing survives That'll hasten things GûÇGûêGûÇ GûêGûÇGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûêGûÇGûê GûêGûæGûê GûæGûêGûæ GûêGûÇGûä GûæGûêGûæ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûä GûêGûæGûêGûæGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûÇGûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇGûæGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ
Zheng'Yi Sao DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire 35	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:03:00 - [65] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Why bother with anything? All happiness is fleeting and we live in an uncaring universe devoid of purpose and meaning, children of a dead god. Because the creation of meaning is the entire point of existence, and a hillariously good time... In EvE, the creation of stuff encourages people to blow up stuff. This in turn, causes people to build more stuff; hopefully with stuff they bought from me. There is no point to the economy. You should all stop. I will take care of it. Just buy my stuff. By the way, I don't see any free toldyasos yet... Don't make me join Harry... "It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
Freakdevil Aliastra Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:30:00 - [66] - Quote Game has become cutthroat and I can understand your frustration. If its not fun then why bother, right? Sadly alot of things in this game are very tedious and boring. And the fact these forums don't help either. Oh jez, listen to me. Anyway, I wish the best in your future gaming.


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