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Need to GTFO of the game

FW would be better without them.

FW solo pvp would be better with out them..

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module..

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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I know they're annoying, but it's nothing a dual-scram won't cure

Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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yes i agree dual scram but they ur fit is gimped if u come up against somone that is not stabed taking up another mid slot with 2 scrams . sucks

I would actually have no problem if they could only be fit to industrials/freighters, barges/exhumers, and logi.

I agree hence what is aid in my other reply haulers are fine i can understand the logic of having them. but for someone to engage in combat then O **** i am loosing and just bug out is silly. Yes burn out of scram/disruptor rang to get away. but to just go i am out of here and warp is silly. ***** move

So you're ok with running away as long as it is done with e-honour?

Nah I think he thinks that anyone who is losing a fight should just sit there and be killed.

That said, if all hes doing is attacking folk with WCSes on, he's not exactly boxing in the big leagues anyway

You are aware you can fit like 8 points on a Cane without retarding its ability to turn anything sub-battleship into chutney, right?

Just for fun, I tried as far as it wentGǪ

15km lock range and 70mm scan res. It's like a newbie-frigate dreadnaught.

Just for fun, I tried as far as it wentGǪ

15km lock range and 70mm scan res. It's like a newbie-frigate dreadnaught.

He meant that you can fit multiple warp scramblers on the cane to catch stabbed ships.

So you're ok with running away as long as it is done with e-honour?

No iam not saying hey should sit there to die. but activly geting out of combat useing pilot skill. fine run away liveto fight another day. but to engage somone knowing ful well you can jsut warp away hen your about to loose a ship is lame

She meant that you can fit multiple warp scramblers on the cane to catch stabbed ships.

Points not stabs, Tippy-top

But I like the concept.

Good point. Then it's more like a newbie-frigate, period. Only this time in speed and hitpoints.

What?

Im genuinely puzzled by what you said Tippia

Usually your logic is flawless but I dont understand that

Oh fine! Keep explaining so it makes me wrong. Meanie.

I meant that if you fill the mids on a Cane with points (as in modules, not warp scrambling points), you'd be left with no propulsion and very little in the way of tank, unless you compromised your ability to shred stuff, which would go against the initial condition.

Meanie.

So you are saying THEY need skill to get away from you, but YOU shouldn't need skill to stop them?

It's got nothing to do with "e-honour".
I'm just discomforted by people who fill all their lowslots with WCS modules then go into my hunting grounds. It's annoying is all.

I wish CCP would give some kind of incentive for people to stop being so risk-averse, and actually fight back.

But I might be showing a gap in my knowledge here, but why would you shield tank a Cane?

Its armour tank is superlative even with two Gyros

I'll admit that I haven't played with it since the BC updates so the meta around its fitting may have changed, butGǪ

GǪfor the same reason as always: because you can. Gyros, TEs and a suitcase in the lows, propulsion, point and shield in the mids, which saves you both speed an a bunch of PG that you could use for more fun things.

OP character is aptly named, 'lazy' indeed.

its FW faction warfare not....

But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"

Meh. It only looks like about 5% more (but that's before sig bloom) and a lot of compromises as far as positioning goes.

Ok well Im not sure how thats worked out, and I have no idea what positioning is, I just figure more slots = better

But that's just comparing directly. Every battle has its own set of circumstances.

Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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But thats down to gun calibre though surely rather than a deficency in the tank?

Not picking armor lets you fit the larger guns, and lets you use tracking enhnacers, and lets you choose nanofibers for more maneuverability.

It's not so much a deficiency as it is a trade-off. Armor tanked would be harder to kill and have more tackle and ewar options like web(s), ECCM, tracking disruptors or whatever.

If two canes had to warp in at 0 and duke it out, I'd put money on a good armor cane fit. Allowing them to engage from anything over 15km starting distance and I'd lean towards the shield cane.

Actually, its not really that hard to either as it turns out


Cool time for a redesign

But... you can fit so much more armour than shield.....

And so many more points.....

Im not disagreeing, but when it comes to staying alive, I prefer "because I have more tank" than "just because lol"

Shield Canes were the go-to roaming BC for a long, long time. Even though its use in that role has been pretty well trounced by the Talos (Heelooo, Null kiting), I still think "Shield BC" when I hear "Cane."

More Damage, More Speed, Longer Range, why would you ever plate the pre-nerf Cane? Since the nerf, I'm not sure I've even flown one, so I don't know the new meta.

FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

I'm still fairly new, but I'm going to go out on a limb here...

The WCS vs Scrams dynamic seems, to me, a very miniscule part of the game. A bank of WCS is fun on ships which have no intention of fighting back, like a Kryos, a Miasmos, or ther ilk; really just because I have space. According to another thread, they "make these ships impossible to catch" and need to be nerfed. This statement was dubious at best, and is far from the case.

If I understand your complaint, you are upset that people who lay in wait for you escape by warping away?
Subsequently, this interaction says to you that WCS need to be removed from the game or altered?

I would be thrilled if people want to hunt me with said ships. For one, they will have no armor tank. Two, they will have no targeting range. I can get right up on top of them and lay into them with my webber, blasters and drones. If you dont' like to brawl, you can simply kite them at range. I would think the only issue is having a high enough DPS to slag them before they get up to warp speed.

If I run them off my site, I still win.

I am left with no other option but to conclude that you cannot possibly be serious, that this entire thread was a troll.

Same damage, same range, more (sub-light) speed (though this can be fixed too)

Why would you shield in three slots what you can armour in 4? And not have any tackle at all?

I warp stab the **** out of everything I fly through low sec unless it's fit to fight. Screw getting it blown up just because I'm flying through.

FW would be better without them.

solo pvp would be better with out them.

1v1 somone take them dow win the fight. out dps out fly out play them. and they warp off in low armour or hull becasue of this little module.

its bolllox I can see a need for them on things like haulers and cloaky haulers but its nuts to have them on pvp ships

Need to GTFO of the game tbh they just sucks :)

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I just wanted to add...

The PHOBOS says NO!!!

I do enjoy the +3 Faction Scram, True Sansha I believe?

I enjoy catching Fw Farmers with it...

I just wanted to add...

The PHOBOS says NO!!!

Remember, I'm talking about the Pre-Tiericide Cane. A shield cane could do a full rack of 425s and a pair of medium neuts and get perfectly respectable EHP out of 2 slots and rigs. An armor cane usually ended up with 220s and still wouldn't get both medium neuts. In addition, with a plate and rigs it was glacial in comparison, especially if the shield cane tossed on a nano or two (which was a perfectly reasonable swap from a TE).

Tiericide hurt the Shield cane a lot more than it hurt the armor cane. So, like I said, current conditions are likely very different from the the previous conditions we're talking about.

I'll trade warp core stabs for mines any day. Seems like an even trade.

Disruptor Mines, Web Mines and Neut Mines ftw

Bring back the original T2 stabs with +2 warp strenght and no penalty.

Wait, so that is what used to be in the game, but isn't anymore?

And people still cry?