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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:40:00 -
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I've been beating around the bush about this because I have not had personal experience with the product, but this Wednesday I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon).
Suffice to say, the people on Youtube were right. It is amazing and revolutionary. The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution. Which copious amounts of alcohol seems to resolve the former and the latter will be resolved by the consumer version which will have 1080p graphics.
The issue is that I believe from my impression is that people will try the Oculus Rift and they will like it. Not only that they will stop playing non-rift games because its that amazing.
I'm not going to go on and on about how great it is. You can watch the youtube reviews if and reactions if you want. I'm not going to come to your house and let you use my rift to prove my point (I don't want your coodies). I just have a feeling that when its released in the high-rez version that people will like it and they will only want to play games using it.
I mean people on the Rift forums have said it has spoilt regular games and even GTA V seems dull in comparison.
CCP has realized this and has put 20 engineers on developing Valkyrie. And that is quite some effort. They understand that this is revolutionary technology we are dealing with and they should capitalize on this as soon as possible. The CEO has been quoted of saying how he believes people will buy the Rift.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/
I personally feel (and most likely CCP since they are spending a great deal of resources on the project) that Valkyrie will be a success because of the Oculus Rift. People will buy the Rift and then they will play Valkyrie. If I recall correctly didn't they say people were lining out the door to play the Valkyrie demos on the EVE Vegas videos?
But where does that leave EVE? Will people have time enough to play both games? Will people want to play EVE with its non-immersive graphics?
My speculation is that people will stop playing EVE because they want to play Rift only games. Don't get all uppity at this statement. This also includes games like World of Warcraft if they don't support the Rift either.
So with people leaving EVE to play Valkyrie or Star Citizen (which also supports the Rift), the game will only be left with people who refuse to upgrade their computers.
But it doesn't have to be this way... EVE can be retrofitted to support the Oculus Rift. It would take time and effort and they have at least two years before the Rift gets critical mass (well the consumer version will most likely be released Christmas of 2014). They would have to change the camera setup and increase font sizes and make it accessible to the Rift.
And it would be amazing. Stereoscopic planets in full 3d beauty. Weapon effects that pop out and ships that look immersive. I was playing Titans of Space and admiring the planets in the demo and thought to myself how great EVE would be if it had support the Oculus Rift.
Otherwise... I can only see the revolution leaving EVE behind.
We live in interesting times.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Vordek Rei
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
50
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:44:00 -
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Yea 3D mining or 3D market speculation is just what I need. Microsoft should also make an Excel Oculus version. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6270
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:46:00 -
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I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Vordek Rei
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
50
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.
Well said - have a like |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
720
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.
And if a game had better interactivity and immersion?
Not going to name any names.
I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Bleg
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:09:00 -
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Vordek Rei wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. Well said - have a like
me like |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1353
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:11:00 -
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Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2154
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:11:00 -
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CCP will kill EVE. Nothing else can. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:31:00 -
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The reasons why your wrong.
1) Rift will cost money, a fair bit of money.
Many people that play computer games have older systems. While they may (or may not) be able to use the Rift many owners have old systems because they don't want or can't afford to upgrade. They will not be able to afford Rift.
2) Eve is spreadsheets in space. There is NO immersion. You can play eve with just the overview and dots x's in space and be fine, a lot of people do. Eve graphics are and always will be secondary to game play.
Unless they can get the price point to < $50 USD Eve will be fine. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5220
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. But think about the missile effects on your torps as you shoot ncdot renter sov structures There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:39:00 -
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The only thing Star Citizen has showed off is walking in a hangar. That's like bethesda making a massive hype over skyrim being a massive rpg and then only showing the inside of the Whiterun house. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
818
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:40:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I've been beating around the bush about this because I have not had personal experience with the product, but this Wednesday I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon). Suffice to say, the people on Youtube were right. It is amazing and revolutionary. The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution. Which copious amounts of alcohol seems to resolve the former and the latter will be resolved by the consumer version which will have 1080p graphics. The issue is that I believe from my impression is that people will try the Oculus Rift and they will like it. Not only that they will stop playing non-rift games because its that amazing. I'm not going to go on and on about how great it is. You can watch the youtube reviews if and reactions if you want. I'm not going to come to your house and let you use my rift to prove my point (I don't want your coodies). I just have a feeling that when its released in the high-rez version that people will like it and they will only want to play games using it. I mean people on the Rift forums have said it has spoilt regular games and even GTA V seems dull in comparison. CCP has realized this and has put 20 engineers on developing Valkyrie. And that is quite some effort. They understand that this is revolutionary technology we are dealing with and they should capitalize on this as soon as possible. The CEO has been quoted of saying how he believes people will buy the Rift. Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/I personally feel (and most likely CCP since they are spending a great deal of resources on the project) that Valkyrie will be a success because of the Oculus Rift. People will buy the Rift and then they will play Valkyrie. If I recall correctly didn't they say people were lining out the door to play the Valkyrie demos on the EVE Vegas videos? But where does that leave EVE? Will people have time enough to play both games? Will people want to play EVE with its non-immersive graphics? My speculation is that people will stop playing EVE because they want to play Rift only games. Don't get all uppity at this statement. This also includes games like World of Warcraft if they don't support the Rift either. So with people leaving EVE to play Valkyrie or Star Citizen (which also supports the Rift), the game will only be left with people who refuse to upgrade their computers. But it doesn't have to be this way... EVE can be retrofitted to support the Oculus Rift. It would take time and effort and they have at least two years before the Rift gets critical mass (well the consumer version will most likely be released Christmas of 2014). They would have to change the camera setup and increase font sizes and make it accessible to the Rift. And it would be amazing. Stereoscopic planets in full 3d beauty. Weapon effects that pop out and ships that look immersive. I was playing Titans of Space and admiring the planets in the demo and thought to myself how great EVE would be if it had support the Oculus Rift. Otherwise... I can only see the revolution leaving EVE behind. We live in interesting times.
IF the core population of eve was lookign for amazing immersion on graphics.. they woudl aready not be in eve.
Oculus rift will ahve minimal impact, because if you like eve, that is not what you put ahead when selecting a game.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1109
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:42:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. And if a game had better interactivity and immersion? Not going to name any names. I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand. Immersion only gets in the way with the number of accounts EVE players tend to run. |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
415
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:45:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. And if a game had better interactivity and immersion? Not going to name any names. I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand. Immersion only gets in the way with the number of accounts EVE players tend to run. You mean multiboxing 6 accounts is not immersive? RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
351
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:45:00 -
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Sweet, means we can actually work out having enough rift players avail to fill carriers. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
298
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:01:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:You mean multiboxing 6 accounts is not immersive? I am sure one of the publords from the CFC would be happy to tell us. Maybe TNT or CO2?
We teach ruthlessness and hazing. No blues. Kill everything.
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Inquisitor Ageri
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:01:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon).
You don't "play" an Oculus Rift, you play another game with it. All this means is that you need to take a break from EVE like 99.9% of the playerbase eventually do.
TLDR, because most of it is brainfart anyway. |
Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:01:00 -
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I don't see either as a threat. If anything, EVE and SC will complement each other nicely.
Same goes for the Rift. It's novelty, a small percent of players will try it, even smaller will use it regularly. It is by no means a threat, it's an opportunity. (Ice) Miner for life. |
Xavier Quo
Ashfell Celestial Corporation POD-SQUAD
68
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:13:00 -
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The Oculus is completely amazing, and is going to be around $300? However I tried the newer 1080p version and thought the resolution was still far too low. When the higher res tablet panels come through people will struggle to go back to non rift games as you say.
still immediately getting one though |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
676
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:06:00 -
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The Oculus is going to be awesome, but only for specific games. Sure it'll be great for action games, flying a spitfire or running around shooting stuff, but i'd hardly put EvE on the list it would be great for. You might as well argue that WoW is going to be ruined by it, which it clearly isn't as it just wouldn't work. Oh, and that it's going down the pan all by itself.
I mean, what could it really bring to EvE. Instead of panning you view around manually, you look with your head? Big deal. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
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Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
215
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:08:00 -
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The only thing that will kill EVE is CCP. No other outside game will. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
431
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:17:00 -
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>2013 >Not having played EVE in 3D already
Plz. The scales and distances involved means that everything but your own ship is at infinity. So depth perception adds a little, but not a lot. You'll probably the same issue in any space game with ships big enough for a real man to fly. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
260
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:20:00 -
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Hey OP , did you play mechwarrior already with it? badass The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
571
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:28:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I've been beating around the bush about this because I have not had personal experience with the product, but this Wednesday I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon). Suffice to say, the people on Youtube were right. It is amazing and revolutionary. The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution. Which copious amounts of alcohol seems to resolve the former and the latter will be resolved by the consumer version which will have 1080p graphics. The issue is that I believe from my impression is that people will try the Oculus Rift and they will like it. Not only that they will stop playing non-rift games because its that amazing. I'm not going to go on and on about how great it is. You can watch the youtube reviews if and reactions if you want. I'm not going to come to your house and let you use my rift to prove my point (I don't want your coodies). I just have a feeling that when its released in the high-rez version that people will like it and they will only want to play games using it. I mean people on the Rift forums have said it has spoilt regular games and even GTA V seems dull in comparison. CCP has realized this and has put 20 engineers on developing Valkyrie. And that is quite some effort. They understand that this is revolutionary technology we are dealing with and they should capitalize on this as soon as possible. The CEO has been quoted of saying how he believes people will buy the Rift. Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/I personally feel (and most likely CCP since they are spending a great deal of resources on the project) that Valkyrie will be a success because of the Oculus Rift. People will buy the Rift and then they will play Valkyrie. If I recall correctly didn't they say people were lining out the door to play the Valkyrie demos on the EVE Vegas videos? But where does that leave EVE? Will people have time enough to play both games? Will people want to play EVE with its non-immersive graphics? My speculation is that people will stop playing EVE because they want to play Rift only games. Don't get all uppity at this statement. This also includes games like World of Warcraft if they don't support the Rift either. So with people leaving EVE to play Valkyrie or Star Citizen (which also supports the Rift), the game will only be left with people who refuse to upgrade their computers. But it doesn't have to be this way... EVE can be retrofitted to support the Oculus Rift. It would take time and effort and they have at least two years before the Rift gets critical mass (well the consumer version will most likely be released Christmas of 2014). They would have to change the camera setup and increase font sizes and make it accessible to the Rift. And it would be amazing. Stereoscopic planets in full 3d beauty. Weapon effects that pop out and ships that look immersive. I was playing Titans of Space and admiring the planets in the demo and thought to myself how great EVE would be if it had support the Oculus Rift. Otherwise... I can only see the revolution leaving EVE behind. We live in interesting times.
Interesting post, I can see where you're coming from but I think there will always be people wanting to play with a flat 2d screen the old fashioned way like me.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
621
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:44:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block?
three of those four were wow clones, guess which. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
ArchenTheGreat
BRAB0 The Volition Cult
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:52:00 -
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It would help me in pvp that's for sure. I have problems in situating my ship on 3D battle field. Could be tremendous help for FC, with all the changes in EVE fleet positioning is getting more and more important. The only problem I see is many people - especially FCs - use several windows (EVE clients, chat programs etc.) it's probably hard to do with Oculus. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1135
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:55:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block?
Not SC, since Elite : Dangerous is coming out before This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
222
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:20:00 -
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I would so buy oculus rift if and only : I could play eve in 3d with it. Meaning that optional UI would suport 3d effects, etc... Watching major fleet battle from distance in 3d, that could be fun... We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1315
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:24:00 -
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Too bad CCP isn't making a game for the Oculus Rift... Nyan |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1021
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:11:00 -
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CREST replays from rift devices = good starting point
Keeps eve relevant in a rift universe
After that, going to be hard multiboxing via this
I think it will just be a challenge to get older players to migrate to it. We [player base] are not all 20 something's GûÇGûêGûÇ GûêGûÇGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûêGûÇGûê GûêGûæGûê GûæGûêGûæ GûêGûÇGûä GûæGûêGûæ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûä GûêGûæGûêGûæGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûÇGûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇGûæGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ |
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