I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.

I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.

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I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.

I've been beating around the bush about this because I have not had personal experience with the product, but this Wednesday I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon).

Suffice to say, the people on Youtube were right. It is amazing and revolutionary. The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution. Which copious amounts of alcohol seems to resolve the former and the latter will be resolved by the consumer version which will have 1080p graphics.

The issue is that I believe from my impression is that people will try the Oculus Rift and they will like it. Not only that they will stop playing non-rift games because its that amazing.

I'm not going to go on and on about how great it is. You can watch the youtube reviews if and reactions if you want. I'm not going to come to your house and let you use my rift to prove my point (I don't want your coodies). I just have a feeling that when its released in the high-rez version that people will like it and they will only want to play games using it.

I mean people on the Rift forums have said it has spoilt regular games and even GTA V seems dull in comparison.

CCP has realized this and has put 20 engineers on developing Valkyrie. And that is quite some effort. They understand that this is revolutionary technology we are dealing with and they should capitalize on this as soon as possible. The CEO has been quoted of saying how he believes people will buy the Rift.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/

I personally feel (and most likely CCP since they are spending a great deal of resources on the project) that Valkyrie will be a success because of the Oculus Rift. People will buy the Rift and then they will play Valkyrie. If I recall correctly didn't they say people were lining out the door to play the Valkyrie demos on the EVE Vegas videos?

But where does that leave EVE? Will people have time enough to play both games? Will people want to play EVE with its non-immersive graphics?

My speculation is that people will stop playing EVE because they want to play Rift only games. Don't get all uppity at this statement. This also includes games like World of Warcraft if they don't support the Rift either.

So with people leaving EVE to play Valkyrie or Star Citizen (which also supports the Rift), the game will only be left with people who refuse to upgrade their computers.

But it doesn't have to be this way... EVE can be retrofitted to support the Oculus Rift. It would take time and effort and they have at least two years before the Rift gets critical mass (well the consumer version will most likely be released Christmas of 2014). They would have to change the camera setup and increase font sizes and make it accessible to the Rift.

And it would be amazing. Stereoscopic planets in full 3d beauty. Weapon effects that pop out and ships that look immersive. I was playing Titans of Space and admiring the planets in the demo and thought to myself how great EVE would be if it had support the Oculus Rift.

Otherwise... I can only see the revolution leaving EVE behind.

We live in interesting times.

And if a game had better interactivity and immersion?

Not going to name any names.

I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand.

Immersion only gets in the way with the number of accounts EVE players tend to run.

You mean multiboxing 6 accounts is not immersive?

I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon).

I've been beating around the bush about this because I have not had personal experience with the product, but this Wednesday I received an Oculus Rift and have been playing it non-stop (in lieu of playing Rubicon).

Suffice to say, the people on Youtube were right. It is amazing and revolutionary. The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution. Which copious amounts of alcohol seems to resolve the former and the latter will be resolved by the consumer version which will have 1080p graphics.

The issue is that I believe from my impression is that people will try the Oculus Rift and they will like it. Not only that they will stop playing non-rift games because its that amazing.

I'm not going to go on and on about how great it is. You can watch the youtube reviews if and reactions if you want. I'm not going to come to your house and let you use my rift to prove my point (I don't want your coodies). I just have a feeling that when its released in the high-rez version that people will like it and they will only want to play games using it.

I mean people on the Rift forums have said it has spoilt regular games and even GTA V seems dull in comparison.

CCP has realized this and has put 20 engineers on developing Valkyrie. And that is quite some effort. They understand that this is revolutionary technology we are dealing with and they should capitalize on this as soon as possible. The CEO has been quoted of saying how he believes people will buy the Rift.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/

I personally feel (and most likely CCP since they are spending a great deal of resources on the project) that Valkyrie will be a success because of the Oculus Rift. People will buy the Rift and then they will play Valkyrie. If I recall correctly didn't they say people were lining out the door to play the Valkyrie demos on the EVE Vegas videos?

But where does that leave EVE? Will people have time enough to play both games? Will people want to play EVE with its non-immersive graphics?

My speculation is that people will stop playing EVE because they want to play Rift only games. Don't get all uppity at this statement. This also includes games like World of Warcraft if they don't support the Rift either.

So with people leaving EVE to play Valkyrie or Star Citizen (which also supports the Rift), the game will only be left with people who refuse to upgrade their computers.

But it doesn't have to be this way... EVE can be retrofitted to support the Oculus Rift. It would take time and effort and they have at least two years before the Rift gets critical mass (well the consumer version will most likely be released Christmas of 2014). They would have to change the camera setup and increase font sizes and make it accessible to the Rift.

And it would be amazing. Stereoscopic planets in full 3d beauty. Weapon effects that pop out and ships that look immersive. I was playing Titans of Space and admiring the planets in the demo and thought to myself how great EVE would be if it had support the Oculus Rift.

Otherwise... I can only see the revolution leaving EVE behind.

We live in interesting times.

Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.

Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.

Guess who's next on the chopping block?

Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.

Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.

Guess who's next on the chopping block?

CREST replays from rift devices = good starting point

And if a game had better interactivity and immersion?

Not going to name any names.

I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand.

Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.

Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.

Guess who's next on the chopping block?

The reasons why your wrong.

1) Rift will cost money, a fair bit of money.

Many people that play computer games have older systems. While they may (or may not) be able to use the Rift many owners have old systems because they don't want or can't afford to upgrade. They will not be able to afford Rift.

2) Eve is spreadsheets in space. There is NO immersion. You can play eve with just the overview and dots x's in space and be fine, a lot of people do. Eve graphics are and always will be secondary to game play.

Unless they can get the price point to < $50 USD Eve will be fine.

The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution.

Well Video games killed cinema and cinema definitely killed books. So yeah, I guess Oculus will kill video games because we can see historically that the entire population of earth can only possibly enjoy one entertainment medium.

Oh well, onwards and upwards.

I don't see the occulus rift competing with Eve very much. The Occulus Rift offers something completely different than Eve, rather than offering a better version of it.

The only thing Star Citizen has showed off is walking in a hangar. That's like bethesda making a massive hype over skyrim being a massive rpg and then only showing the inside of the Whiterun house.

Occulus Rift will literally be a mind numbing and disorienting product.

You're being too generous here. The comparison is fundamentally flawed to begin with.

The OR doesn't offer anything whatsoever compared to EVE and there is exactly zero competition between the two since they are not even the same kind of product.

Oculus Rift competes with your monitor (and maybe mouse), not with the things displayed on or controlled by that monitor and mouse. It is a piece of I/O hardware, not game software that sends and receives that I/O.

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Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.

Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.

EVE requires player time to be successful

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation.

Well your are wrong on a conceptual level. EVE requires player time to be successful because of player interaction so everything that competes for a players time is in competition with EVE. This includes work, school, consoles, other computer games and of course the Oculus Rift only games.

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.

As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix. 2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria). Oh and don't forget music stores that sell CDs. All those chains went out of business because of iTunes. Valve killed off the software store.

The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."

Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.

Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.

The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.

Because you is the am smarter than all o'youse put togetha

Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.

Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.

Guess who's next on the chopping block?

Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.

Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.

Guess who's next on the chopping block?

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How ever SC is the first to Target EVE online in a big way.

Star Trek and Star wars had their sights on WOW not EVE.
I love EVE but let's not flatter ourselves here.
And X Rebirth just came out to soon to make any calls here.

How ever SC is the first to Target EVE online in a big way.
Will EVE die? no never will.
Will it lose some players? Pretty sure it will lose a few here and there.

Very few mmos have actually died many are still around like EQ and UO.

X Rebirth is already in the pit? I just ordered a copy. :(

X Rebirth is already in the pit? I just ordered a copy. :(

Well your are wrong on a conceptual level. EVE requires player time to be successful because of player interaction so everything that competes for a players time is in competition with EVE. This includes work, school, consoles, other computer games and of course the Oculus Rift only games.

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.

As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix. 2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria). Oh and don't forget music stores that sell CDs. All those chains went out of business because of iTunes. Valve killed off the software store.

The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."

Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.

Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.

Yes, Eve is certainly under assault in the lucrative Space Game Trailer Video market.

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.

2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria).

The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be

Because every MMO ever developed in history did not try to build hype with trailers.

Oculus Rift is incompatible with my eyes.

Can you guess how much money is going to get from me anyone selling it or any products who rely exclusively on it?

I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game.

I understand the situation. The situation is that you're comparing I/O to software. Just because the I/O changes doesn't mean the software dies GÇö that's the beauty of software: it can adjust to the new I/OGǪ and in many different ways to boot.

GǪand that is what disproves your entire notion: because you're once again confusing the software and the I/O. The games are the same they've always been, only now they use different output functions to benefit from the hardware innovations that have come along.

It turns out that not every game type works in free-camera or first-person 3D. The disruption here is often the exact opposite of what you're suggesting: everyone jumping on the new bandwagon and failing miserably because it turns out that, hey, it is really unsuited for the game play you're after (see the famous polygon ceiling). Instead, the disruption lay in daring to keep doing what they were doing, only with a different rendering pipeline.

GÇ£It's not that kind of gameGÇ¥, same as with the vast majority of other game types that are not suited for a VR experience. VR Civ would be horrible. VR cinematic storytelling means you're failing to deliver the cinematic narrative.

Your fundamental fallacy here is your assumption that all applications suit a specific platform. They don't. There's a reason why different platforms offer different game ecologies. OR is another platform that will have its own ecology GÇö it will be great for some applications; meaningless for some; and absolutely the wrong choice for some.

The Oculus is going to be awesome, but only for specific games. Sure it'll be great for action games, flying a spitfire or running around shooting stuff, but i'd hardly put EvE on the list it would be great for. You might as well argue that WoW is going to be ruined by it, which it clearly isn't as it just wouldn't work. Oh, and that it's going down the pan all by itself.

I mean, what could it really bring to EvE. Instead of panning you view around manually, you look with your head? Big deal.

As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix.

Well your are wrong on a conceptual level. EVE requires player time to be successful because of player interaction so everything that competes for a players time is in competition with EVE. This includes work, school, consoles, other computer games and of course the Oculus Rift only games.

I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.

As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix. 2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria). Oh and don't forget music stores that sell CDs. All those chains went out of business because of iTunes. Valve killed off the software store.

The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."

Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.

Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.

LOL...seriously that's the dumbest thing I've seen claimed in LONG time

Immersion is a strange thing. It used to happen in peoples' heads with a device called imagination. Nowadays you have to hit the kiddies flat in the face with surrogates.

The thing is, this type of I/O paradigm shift could very easily make all others seem terrible by comparison.

A better comparison would be between board games and video games. Board games used to be a lot more prominent prior to the introduction of video games, and now they're very niche.

VR could easily go the same way, and the smart games (yes, even Civ) would do well to adjust their GUI to account for it. Starcraft II matches in a VR environment would be pretty damn awesome.

You few will still be playing Monopoly while we're playing Command & Conquer.

this is the type of technology people have wanted for DECADES, and shrugging it off as though it's no different then the introduction of the Wii remote or XBox Kinect is going to prove very shortsighted.

Older systems used to have a fair amount of problems with disorientation and motion sickness, mostly due to processor/graphical lag between what your head was doing and what the world around you appeared to be doing.

You would turn your head to look at something, but the actual view in game had a slight (but noticeable) delay before your point of view in game changed to match your heads motion.

That appears to be largely resolved, with your view in game perfectly synced with the motion of your head/eyes... making for a very natural feeling experience.

I haven't seen much (or any really) press or reviews out there that indicate people are having issues with motion sickness using the latest versions of the tech. Of course that doesn't mean it isn't happening on occasion, it's just that I personally haven't noticed any reviews that would indicate that it is.

And that's the eyes alone. Enter balance and self-perception and the challenges to wearable VR become massive. "20+ years old and still trying" massive...

Can I watch p0rn with it? if not, then it's not that terrific.