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Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:23:00 -
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lol Really.. We are talking about a thing that is quite similar to Virtual Reality.. Where did that thing go? Till that thing you put on your head to make you look stupid reaches a price point of maybe 75-100 dollars you will only see those that like new technology and think they are cool for having it.. (Ex: all the tablet users that have one because it was new and not for any practical use, cause who really has a job that needs you writing down stuff on a tablet? If you are at home the normal(smart) people have a desktop or even those things called laptops that are quite practical) |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:25:00 -
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while the oculus rift looks pretty neat, it feels gimmicky to me. the industry has been collectively trying to shove VR down gamers' throats for several decades now, and i have yet to see a system that would persuade me to fork over a ton of cash - yes, even the rift.
eve valkyrie may appeal to a lot of people, but to me, it looks like a shallow space sim shooter - something i'm not terribly interested in playing. the biggest reason i play eve is for the immense options available to me when i log in. i'm sure valkyrie is fun, but only for a short time. it's a flash in the pan and won't be successful, unless ccp can somehow figure out how to make it more immersive than it is in it's current state.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:28:00 -
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Spurty wrote:CREST replays from rift devices = good starting point That would be amazing.
It would also be the only really useful thing VR could add to EVE.
Hop to it CCP! (If nothing else than because we need a battle recorder anyway, and if the replay happens to support various oddball outputs then that's just icing on the cake).
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Grumpy Poster
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:29:00 -
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Immersion is a strange thing. It used to happen in peoples' heads with a device called imagination. Nowadays you have to hit the kiddies flat in the face with surrogates. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
591
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:37:00 -
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It still causes dizziness and nausea as well as other problems with your eyes. It's a scaled down version of the old VR helmets that had the same problems. It'll catch on though because right now there are attachments for your pecker and virtual women to play with.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/oculus-rift-sex-simulator,25082.html |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
157
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:39:00 -
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The majority of the OP's post is moot due to the fact that he, like many, many others, gets motion sickness from using the Occulus Rift. Perhaps they'll sign a marketing deal with a drug company and package nausea pills with it? This product is at least the third "new development" that's going to kill standard gaming. First was Farmville and casual games. They turned into pay-to-win games loaded with mictotransactions because they were doomed to fail from the start. Next were those tiny "indy" consoles that were supposed to bring game development back to its roots. They failed because nobody actually wants to return to the days of crappy graphics, crappy gameplay or games that only take an hour to beat. And now we have the Occulus Rift, which makes you nauseous, will have a limited game selection and will cost you as much as a new PC. I'm not very worried.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:44:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't care about having an immersive game experience. I care about having an interactive game experience. That's something that EVE does better than any other game. And if a game had better interactivity and immersion? Not going to name any names. I think the naysayers problem is they just haven't tried it. Its like a drug. Once you try it, you realize how wrong everything was beforehand.
Here again you display that weakness that causes so many to disagree with what you say, in fact, its a weakness that underlies I think most disagreement in general: On a fundamental level, you can't grasp the concept that other people (MOST other people in fact) aren't like you and don't respond the same way you do. So something that you experience and that blows your mind might be "meh" to the guy sitting next to you.
It's also why some of us and sure that Star Citizen will be a hell of a game (at the end of the day, it will probably be larger than EVE in terms of players) yet find little interest in being some fighter jock in a Wing Commander knock off and would rather be the Cybernetic POD dwelling Captain of a STAR ship instead.
I'll ask you the same question I always ask (and never receive an answer from) Dinsdale Piranha. In the future, when neither Rift nor Star Citizen kills or even has a significant negative impact on EVE online, will you be adult enough to come back here and say "you know, i was wrong about that"?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3444
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block?
EVE is like a boxer that all of the pundits predict is gonna lose the next fight but who always pulls off a win. Then, that boxer becomes the CHAMP, and those same pundits (who never seem to learn) always predict he will lose to the next challenger, and being wrong time and time and time again has no affect on their opinion.
If I were "EVE Online" I'd be screaming "how many blokes do I have to kill in the ring for you wankers to understand that I'm the best"??. Of course, I'd say "Blokes" and "Wankers" because my servers are in London.
Ashina Sito wrote:The reasons why your wrong.
1) Rift will cost money, a fair bit of money.
Many people that play computer games have older systems. While they may (or may not) be able to use the Rift many owners have old systems because they don't want or can't afford to upgrade. They will not be able to afford Rift.
2) Eve is spreadsheets in space. There is NO immersion. You can play eve with just the overview and dots x's in space and be fine, a lot of people do. Eve graphics are and always will be secondary to game play.
Unless they can get the price point to < $50 USD Eve will be fine.
The bolded part is THE truth. Tardbar doesn't understand this. The game is "stale" to him and people like him tend to think that it can get "stale" to everyone else. For people like that, it never crosses their mind that they aren't suited to the pass-time rather than something being wrong with the pass-time itself.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:42:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:The only problems I find with it are motion sickness and the low resolution.
You know, i was just thinking the other day, that the only things I'm missing from my gaming time are Low Resolution and some good old Motion Sickness.
Where do i sign up?
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Ambo
The Flowing Penguins
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:11:00 -
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Well Video games killed cinema and cinema definitely killed books. So yeah, I guess Oculus will kill video games because we can see historically that the entire population of earth can only possibly enjoy one entertainment medium.
Oh well, onwards and upwards. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:13:00 -
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Ambo wrote:Well Video games killed cinema and cinema definitely killed books. So yeah, I guess Oculus will kill video games because we can see historically that the entire population of earth can only possibly enjoy one entertainment medium.
Oh well, onwards and upwards.
I lul'd. Have a like while I go read a book the movie industry doesn't want me to know about 
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
484
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:26:00 -
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Posting in stealth Star Citizen Hype/Fanboy/Will kill EVE thread.
It's vaporware at the moment. Until they release some compelling gameplay, this is not a discussion worth having. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:28:00 -
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I don't see the occulus rift competing with Eve very much. The Occulus Rift offers something completely different than Eve, rather than offering a better version of it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:48:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I don't see the occulus rift competing with Eve very much. The Occulus Rift offers something completely different than Eve, rather than offering a better version of it.
You're being too generous here. The comparison is fundamentally flawed to begin with.
The OR doesn't offer anything whatsoever compared to EVE and there is exactly zero competition between the two since they are not even the same kind of product.
Oculus Rift competes with your monitor (and maybe mouse), not with the things displayed on or controlled by that monitor and mouse. It is a piece of I/O hardware, not game software that sends and receives that I/O.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
192
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:56:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:The only thing Star Citizen has showed off is walking in a hangar. That's like bethesda making a massive hype over skyrim being a massive rpg and then only showing the inside of the Whiterun house.
Star Citizen is also the industry leader in making blog posts about hitting the latest crowdfunding milestone. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
484
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:05:00 -
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Confirming CCP made a hangar module with a closed door and nothing to do inside before it was cool. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Ark Royal Mining
Trained Divinity
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:59:00 -
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Occulus Rift will literally be a mind numbing and disorienting product. I predict many stomachs will be forcibly emptied and many seizures will be danced.
Also, Star Citizen is a LIE. ALL YOUR MONIES belong to Chris Roberts May he live long and bathe in the tears of the backers.
EVE is now and forever because Eve is real |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
132
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:02:00 -
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If you want to look at the immersion factor only, real life (sometimes referred to as RL) should have destroyed video games decades ago. The amount of things you can do in real life is simply amazing.
Besides, take a look at Minecraft. What version of Cry engine was available at the time of Minecraft's release? 2? But yet, a meaningful gameplay completely overshadowed graphics engine. If you assume that the general population will always tend to use the latest and greates of technology for gaming, then Minecraft should have been dead before it was even created. 
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3446
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:07:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Occulus Rift will literally be a mind numbing and disorienting product.
This is a great point. I've tried Occulus Rift at a gaming convention and it rocks if you like that kind of thing. But me personally, I'm just not trying to escape all sensation of real life when I play a video game.
EVE (and games like it) is a perfect beer and pretzel video game experience for me, and I can see my kids out of the corner of my eye while playing. Captain Tardbar thinks that everyone who plays games wants to be immersed , but there are lots of us who really really don't want or need that. This is why EVE and games like it will never die completely, in the same way that physical games of chess and checkers and monopoly didn't die even though you can play them on a computer now.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Batelle wrote:I don't see the occulus rift competing with Eve very much. The Occulus Rift offers something completely different than Eve, rather than offering a better version of it. You're being too generous here. The comparison is fundamentally flawed to begin with. The OR doesn't offer anything whatsoever compared to EVE and there is exactly zero competition between the two since they are not even the same kind of product. Oculus Rift competes with your monitor (and maybe mouse), not with the things displayed on or controlled by that monitor and mouse. It is a piece of I/O hardware, not game software that sends and receives that I/O.
Well your are wrong on a conceptual level. EVE requires player time to be successful because of player interaction so everything that competes for a players time is in competition with EVE. This includes work, school, consoles, other computer games and of course the Oculus Rift only games.
I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.
As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix. 2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria). Oh and don't forget music stores that sell CDs. All those chains went out of business because of iTunes. Valve killed off the software store.
The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."
Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.
Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises
Fatal Ascension
39
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:53:00 -
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Incarna + oculus. DO IT CCP, DO IT. THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN MAKE EVERYONE LOVE INCARNA! |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Ark Royal Mining
Trained Divinity
65
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:58:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:[
Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore.
Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.
Confirming I am a bitter noob that will turn into the bitterest of vets. That aside, I do like new technology. If I can play EVE with this tech, I'll be the first to fist/chest bump a new era. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
746
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:03:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:EVE requires player time to be successful
No.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:05:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation.
Because you is the am smarter than all o'youse put togetha
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh
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Za'afiel
Federation Militia Bandits
42
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:09:00 -
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I know of one thing that can kill EVE quite quickly...greed.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3450
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:11:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Tippia wrote:Batelle wrote:I don't see the occulus rift competing with Eve very much. The Occulus Rift offers something completely different than Eve, rather than offering a better version of it. You're being too generous here. The comparison is fundamentally flawed to begin with. The OR doesn't offer anything whatsoever compared to EVE and there is exactly zero competition between the two since they are not even the same kind of product. Oculus Rift competes with your monitor (and maybe mouse), not with the things displayed on or controlled by that monitor and mouse. It is a piece of I/O hardware, not game software that sends and receives that I/O. Well your are wrong on a conceptual level. EVE requires player time to be successful because of player interaction so everything that competes for a players time is in competition with EVE. This includes work, school, consoles, other computer games and of course the Oculus Rift only games. I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years. As far as media goes.I mean Book Stores and Video Rental stores all went out of business because of Amazon and Netflix. 2d games are non-existant (everything mostly use 3d engines even for 2d-esque games like Terraria). Oh and don't forget music stores that sell CDs. All those chains went out of business because of iTunes. Valve killed off the software store. The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game." Trust me. You don't understand the technology, but the kids growing up will and it will be just like texting and facebook to them. You old fogeys will sit around curmudgeonly to you old ways and start to wonder why people no longer like the things you like anymore. Anyways, I'm not going to beat this dead horse further. You can all continue on posting why things will never change and then gripe in 5 years time that you no longer understand the world you live in.
Translation: "Only I am visionary enough to understand what is going on unlike you rubes who think EVE is something".
If you know so much, why are you wasting time on a video game, shouldn't you be out pwning Warren Buffet and Bill Gates at industry lol?
This part here underlines one of the points you miss (and there are lots of them): Quote:
The issue is that kids will grow up on the Oculus Rift and in 5 years down the road, a new player comes across EVE and asks "Does it support the rift?" and the answer will be "No." and they will say "Aww. Too bad. It sounds like a nice game."
The kind of "kids" who would ask the question aren't the kinds of people who would want to play EVE in the 1st place. On a planet of 6 billion people, you can't say with certainty what people will or won't do. Hell, there are people who still play MUDs for cripes sake :) .
Quote:I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation. Most people don't get disruptive technologies This was more of "I'm putting this here so I can say I told you so" in two years.
Bookmarked for 11/22/2015. It's a date. Are you man enough to come back here and admit you were wrong on that date if people are still playing EVE?
Again, what you "don't get" is that no one is you but you.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3450
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:
I didn't expect anyone to understand the situation.
Because you is the am smarter than all o'youse put togetha
That wall he can't climb over to see the rest of the world is called narcissism |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
218
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:13:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block?
X Rebirth is already in the pit? I just ordered a copy. :( |
Dangirdas Bachir
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:14:00 -
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Niqqa please, it will just bring more people to EVE when they get tired of eye sickness and star citizen..
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Maurice deSaxe
1st Steps Academy
Fidelas Constans
15
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:19:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Star Citizen will join all the previous EVE killers in the pit.
Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, X Rebirth.
Guess who's next on the chopping block?
Star Trek and Star wars had their sights on WOW not EVE.
I love EVE but let's not flatter ourselves here.
And X Rebirth just came out to soon to make any calls here.
How ever SC is the first to Target EVE online in a big way.
Will EVE die? no never will.
Will it lose some players? Pretty sure it will lose a few here and there.
Very few mmos have actually died many are still around like EQ and UO.
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