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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1536
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right? I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then?  I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit. So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?  in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..  There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.  It is just going to get worse. goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies. And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations? goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon. That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.
Winning a war makes you stronger...I would suggest you look at the history of your own country with that little dustup called WWII. The u.s. came out of it great, because it's infrastructure was untouched, and huge amounts of coin was thrown at industrial infrastructure for the war effort, and the G.M.'s and Ford's of the u.s. kept on rolling from that.
U.K. , not so much. Russia did crank up its Siberian industrial zone, but given that half of its country became scorched earth, kinda lost out too...
Yeah, goons watching the medium powers duke it out, burning resources and capital, just get stronger and stronger relatively speaking. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Ryhss
153
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:29:00 -
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OP, show me on the doll where the corp touched you.... I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |

Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
1011
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:30:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?
Well no, but the "landlords" of said slums are getting ready to head out to the "Undiscovered Country", "The Promised Lands", "Astra Incognita"... you know... Jove Space.
You do keep up with these little tidbits that gradually filter down like mana from the gods, like building stargates and new regions, right ?
Didn't think so. 
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3462
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:32:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.
They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different.
No it's not, a strong person fights, a weak one runs. The venue (video game or real life) doesn't change this fact.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4732
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.
They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different. No it's not, a strong person fights, a weak one runs. The venue (video game or real life) doesn't change this fact.
The "runners" in a sub-based MMO run knowing that just by threatening to run they become the strongest.
The world is extra-full of weak persons.
When we had a sort of "strong person" selector in the form of natural selection we were 250M worldwide. This means that some billions people are not fit to even survive in a truly competitive, brutal nature.
Now let's guess: EvE is already a niche game, do you think they can afford the luxury to let the "less than fit" go away? In that case EvE would too be 1/20 of what it is, that is down to 20k subs.
This detail gives immense power to those who can ransom EvE into being what they want - and sometimes - need.
So, the weak threatens to run, does not actually run. Yet they get what they want. Because if they didn't then EvE itself would fold. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Karrl Tian
Bourbon Bandits Anarchy.
266
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Posted - 2013.11.25 03:11:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
When we had a sort of "strong person" selector in the form of natural selection we were 250M worldwide. This means that some billions people are not fit to even survive in a truly competitive, brutal nature.
Wat?  |

Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
194
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:50:00 -
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Ghost Phius wrote:Vicky Somers wrote:It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them? 1.You need to stop watching the corporate sponsored brainwashing tube, they LIE!!!! 2. EVE is EVE designed from the ground up NOT to be a realliffe Utopian view of space or the future of humanity. It's a game with a WIDE artistic license. In other words relax the RL comparisons or you look like a nutter. YMMV of course. 
I'm sorry if you missed it but that post was satire. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6391
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:16:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:RMTsec I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member. Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
165
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:RMTsec I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member. Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank.
He actually hired someone to count his yachts for this post. |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:21:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:RMTsec I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member. Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank. He actually hired someone to count his yachts for this post.
Not only are we content creators we are also job creators.
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Verenkh Soleron
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you really want people to use the space they have, then we need to nerf highsec badly enough that the elephant in the room isn't crushing everyone else with isk efficiency.
Otherwise, you're just spouting off.
Yet another doofus. Here's what nerfing highsec will do: Drive a lot of players away from the game. That's all.
So, sure. If you'd really love to have far fewer people in EVE, nerf highsec. Alternatively, you could realize that making one side in this imaginary conflict worse won't magically make the other side better. It'll just make one side worse. It's not a zero-sum game. You don't gain when someone else loses. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3692
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:42:00 -
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Once again.
Instead of nerfing highsec, all you need to do is let ships dial in system-to-system warp.
Why?
Because highsec is the casualty collection point for people who lack time.
Remove the dependency on gates, make bubble camps and gank pipelines a thing of the past, and then you'll see some fun.
Make the resources through ALL spaces finite to such point that it becomes possible to clean up an entire system for months, where moons can be sucked dry, and planets fully strip mined fall apart, THEN this becomes a real PVP game.
Because all warfare has been about what?
Resources. It's either the taking of resources, or the defense of them, or preemptive defense of resources.
Until then, this is Sim City in space.
Make independent warp possible and gate camps are gone - people have to hunt for their food. Being a renter will feel like feudalism as it should.
Make resources finite and there's no blue donut, and epic battles with capitals will be followed by epic battles over their hulls.
You want ePeen? Make this the festering cauldron of PVP that certain people like to claim it is. Otherwise this is just Ritalinheads Online. |

Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
198
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:45:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?
Yep, player created content.
CCP had nothing to do with the result, the players did.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
347
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:46:00 -
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Verenkh Soleron wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you really want people to use the space they have, then we need to nerf highsec badly enough that the elephant in the room isn't crushing everyone else with isk efficiency.
Otherwise, you're just spouting off. Yet another doofus. Here's what nerfing highsec will do: Drive a lot of players away from the game. That's all. So, sure. If you'd really love to have far fewer people in EVE, nerf highsec. Alternatively, you could realize that making one side in this imaginary conflict worse won't magically make the other side better. It'll just make one side worse. It's not a zero-sum game. You don't gain when someone else loses.
No it won't. The required player structures in nullsec exist now to support them. I'd happily take 20 players on in my corp if it were rational for them to want to be there and were it possible to divvy out sufficiently absorbing content, or where it useful to gang for PVE content.
At the moment it is not rational to want to be a ratter in a small null corp, and the PVE content is only sufficiently absorbing and variable if its just one person in the system, and I still find the presence of a neutral miniprof alt to harrass and/or kill to be far more absorbing than the PVE content.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
165
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:51:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Once again.
Instead of nerfing highsec, all you need to do is let ships dial in system-to-system warp.
Why?
Because highsec is the casualty collection point for people who lack time.
Remove the dependency on gates, make bubble camps and gank pipelines a thing of the past, and then you'll see some fun.
Make the resources through ALL spaces finite to such point that it becomes possible to clean up an entire system for months, where moons can be sucked dry, and planets fully strip mined fall apart, THEN this becomes a real PVP game.
Because all warfare has been about what?
Resources. It's either the taking of resources, or the defense of them, or preemptive defense of resources.
Until then, this is Sim City in space.
Make independent warp possible and gate camps are gone - people have to hunt for their food. Being a renter will feel like feudalism as it should.
Make resources finite and there's no blue donut, and epic battles with capitals will be followed by epic battles over their hulls.
You want ePeen? Make this the festering cauldron of PVP that certain people like to claim it is. Otherwise this is just Ritalinheads Online.
Imagine a game where there is absolutely nothing to do except go out to null sec to get what little is left by the coalitions and die trying to get there.
That's this game in 10 minutes.
Then you either get enough people together to scrape a couple resources from them or you don't. But all the hisec stuff is gone and will be for the foreseeable future.
They won't let you in to their alliance either because they have what they have and it's enough to support themselves.
Sounds really poorly designed. That means, not really fun. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
347
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:54:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Once again.
Instead of nerfing highsec, all you need to do is let ships dial in system-to-system warp.
Why?
Because highsec is the casualty collection point for people who lack time.
Remove the dependency on gates, make bubble camps and gank pipelines a thing of the past, and then you'll see some fun.
I have lost 0.0000000 space ships since coming out here, and I flew a bunch of ships out here. Now that the space is "tamed", you can fly out in in a covops/nullified T3 and mail yourself everything else with the handy-dandy jumpfreighter service.
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Make the resources through ALL spaces finite to such point that it becomes possible to clean up an entire system for months, where moons can be sucked dry, and planets fully strip mined fall apart, THEN this becomes a real PVP game.
Because all warfare has been about what?
Resources. It's either the taking of resources, or the defense of them, or preemptive defense of resources.
ahh no, the dripfeed works just the same as exhaustibles, but allows people to have access in their TZ. Note rentlords rent the best drip feeds out for 10 - 11b a month, and plainly the CFC has adjusted the mix of systems it rents over time to ensure it it is renting the right amount of top dripfeeds.
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Until then, this is Sim City in space.
Make independent warp possible and gate camps are gone - people have to hunt for their food. Being a renter will feel like feudalism as it should.
Make resources finite and there's no blue donut, and epic battles with capitals will be followed by epic battles over their hulls.
You want ePeen? Make this the festering cauldron of PVP that certain people like to claim it is. Otherwise this is just Ritalinheads Online.
Gypsies online.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
676

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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:58:00 -
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Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Thread locked. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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