Someone's jimmies have been rustled.

its not like anyone actually lives there

If you don't like the renters, shoot them. If you are in an alliance that has renters and you disagree with the renting program, drop corp and shoot the renters. If you are jealous of all the bank these groups are making off of renting then not only should you shoot the renters but the landlords as well.

If you don't like the status quo of things going on then actually do something about it than putting up a pointless thread.

Good point.

Oh, and biomass yourself.

Maybe pointless to you but not to me, that's why we all have opinions. Sorry you don't agree. After playing eve for 10 years and seeing it come to this after all the years of making eve 'better', with more conflict, content etc etc I think i have a right to my opinion. I am not that naive to believe everyone will agree with me.

if you want to make silly childish comments

I am mad. Damn mad. And I am not going to take it anymore dammit.

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

Wait, what did I miss?

Excuse my ignorance but was there a stealth nerf to nullsec in rubicon?

D.

I don't understand why people get mad about nullsec. Players have created corps, formed alliances, and then added coalitions on top. They have mined moons, they have mined, ratted and PI harvested.

They found the best way to make money in nullsec was to rent.

This is emergent behavior, not the fault of CCP. If you want them to intervene, what you're saying is that you don't like the sandbox (and implicitly, are too impotent to do anything about it).

Well organized and motivated player groups are always going to optimize the game for their personal gain. Either become one, join one or keep being a hisec publord. Alternately, you can join the CFC and become a nullsec publord, but that's a topic for another day.

guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? Roll I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? Roll

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

.

At least post with your main, if you want to make silly childish comments, so we can all laugh at you in game. Oh wait that's why you didn't. Because posting comments like that must mean you are at least 13 yrs old

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

Your rant falls short.

Anybody wanna see things really get interesting?


Let's make all resources in the game FINITE.


The blue blocs will be like cuttlefish in mere months.

if people want to rent then that's up to them. This is not my point so stop getting upset and defensive.

This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!

Also for people commenting. Renters do not sit there grinding 24/7, some may do but most dont. So yes for some it could be a ISK maker but for most its not. Also have some of you even bothered to fly through renter space? its TOTALLY dead. So please explain where all these renters are then?

There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.

You can hae sandboxes with different shapes and types of sand..

Most people that ocmplain were in the old 0.0 time,w hen there were tons of independent alliacnes and lots of smaller wars.

And they know how it was more fun.

Simple as that. people want fun.. and some miss that age. Its like 2007 0.0 was like world before WW1. Current 0.0 is like world after WW2.


Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.

Why?

Why?

Wait this isnt the sims?

Got my Captains Quaters.. Gotta work to pay rent..

So lost..

I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not

Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.

Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!

I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not

Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there?

How does that work then?

Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.

No, it's a sandbox. Players did that, not CCP.

HATE HATE HATE HATE

TO THE FORUMS!

FOR CHANGE!

Copious Reinforce timers killed any joy in killing structures.

Massive slap in the face of bothering with aggression

Defenders get all the love so everyone is a defender (except for the occasional abhoration of a fight where someone turns aggressive and is decisively blobbed )

That's not CCPs dream I imagine. The fighting yes, the sitting around for a fail cascade no).

... instead of complaining that their is none.

There, their, they're.

Feel better now?

Spelling!

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.

Maybe pointless to you but not to me, that's why we all have opinions. Sorry you don't agree. After playing eve for 10 years and seeing it come to this after all the years of making eve 'better', with more conflict, content etc etc I think i have a right to my opinion. I am not that naive to believe everyone will agree with me.

All The Isk.

By the way, there's still space in Period Basis and Branch, so if you're thinking about renting, shoot me a mail, we'll see what works for you.

Or you could rent from progodlegend. But then beware the cfc groups

Seleene should have stayed at CCP.

Sov has been complete **** since its reworking in 2010. Capitals and Supercapitals are still broken.

Since Seleene is generally seen as the driving force behind the Dominion expansion which gave us the era of megablobs, permagrinds and supercap swarms, these two sentences would seem to be somewhat contradictory. Care to elaborate?

As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.

You don't understand. It isn't that our egos are inflated, so much as the vacuum of nullsec pulls on our egos to fill the void.

They only put in a fraction of what he had intended and then walked away, Dominion was supposed to have a ton more material attached to it that CCP just never made the time for and never bothered finishing, its got nothing to do with Selene and everything to do with CCP failing (as per the usual) to finish a 'feature' they put in.

"instead of complaining that they're is none."
Thanks! I'll remember that.

It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.

Controlling all of null sec is our end-game. Once we do that, we can unlock CONCORD and make all of space 0.0.

Then we are coming for you.

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.

So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it?

in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..

There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.

It is just going to get worse.

goons are letting the other cartels hammer away at each other, while not committing massive amounts of material in the latest null sec dustup. Basically, the concept is let you enemies weaken each other, while you grow stronger, and then eventually, you can crush those weakened enemies.

And on the non-null sec front, goons can focus on the next lucrative high sec income stream being gifted to them by CCP. Now that the PI income stream went down exactly as predicted by many, no one is naive enough to believe that CCP will stop there. How about conquerable high sec stations?

goon-owned stations coming to a high sec system near you, soon.

It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?

Controlling all of null sec is our end-game. Once we do that, we can unlock CONCORD and make all of space 0.0.

Then we are coming for you.

That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.

RMTsec

Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.

It's intriguing and scary how strongly Eve resembles capitalist society. CCP can't really do anything to *fix* this safe for breaking the sandbox. I believe despair is part of the Eve experience and sentiments like OP's are a defining part of this game. They're the Ahmadinejads, the Kim Jong-ils, the Gaddafis, etc. Why can't everyone have huge supercap fleets? Why can't Iran have nukes? They're futile question but does that mean we should stop asking them?

Pandering to highsec? Care to elaborate on that?

That's not how wars work. Winning a war leaves a side stronger. Not fighting generally makes it weaker.

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

They don't "fold". They don't accept being poo-ed on their face, it's different.

No it's not, a strong person fights, a weak one runs. The venue (video game or real life) doesn't change this fact.

When we had a sort of "strong person" selector in the form of natural selection we were 250M worldwide. This means that some billions people are not fit to even survive in a truly competitive, brutal nature.

1.You need to stop watching the corporate sponsored brainwashing tube, they LIE!!!!

2. EVE is EVE designed from the ground up NOT to be a realliffe Utopian view of space or the future of humanity. It's a game with a WIDE artistic license. In other words relax the RL comparisons or you look like a nutter. YMMV of course.

I enjoy the irony of this coming from a CFC member.

Yeah man, I just bought my third yacht off interest generated from putting all my RMT'd cash in the bank.

He actually hired someone to count his yachts for this post.

If you really want people to use the space they have, then we need to nerf highsec badly enough that the elephant in the room isn't crushing everyone else with isk efficiency.

Otherwise, you're just spouting off.

I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?

Yet another doofus. Here's what nerfing highsec will do: Drive a lot of players away from the game. That's all.

So, sure. If you'd really love to have far fewer people in EVE, nerf highsec. Alternatively, you could realize that making one side in this imaginary conflict worse won't magically make the other side better. It'll just make one side worse. It's not a zero-sum game. You don't gain when someone else loses.

Once again.

Instead of nerfing highsec, all you need to do is let ships dial in system-to-system warp.

Why?

Because highsec is the casualty collection point for people who lack time.

Remove the dependency on gates, make bubble camps and gank pipelines a thing of the past, and then you'll see some fun.


Make the resources through ALL spaces finite to such point that it becomes possible to clean up an entire system for months, where moons can be sucked dry, and planets fully strip mined fall apart, THEN this becomes a real PVP game.

Because all warfare has been about what?

Resources. It's either the taking of resources, or the defense of them, or preemptive defense of resources.

Until then, this is Sim City in space.


Make independent warp possible and gate camps are gone - people have to hunt for their food. Being a renter will feel like feudalism as it should.

Make resources finite and there's no blue donut, and epic battles with capitals will be followed by epic battles over their hulls.


You want ePeen? Make this the festering cauldron of PVP that certain people like to claim it is. Otherwise this is just Ritalinheads Online.

Once again.

Instead of nerfing highsec, all you need to do is let ships dial in system-to-system warp.

Why?

Because highsec is the casualty collection point for people who lack time.

Remove the dependency on gates, make bubble camps and gank pipelines a thing of the past, and then you'll see some fun.

Make the resources through ALL spaces finite to such point that it becomes possible to clean up an entire system for months, where moons can be sucked dry, and planets fully strip mined fall apart, THEN this becomes a real PVP game.

Because all warfare has been about what?

Resources. It's either the taking of resources, or the defense of them, or preemptive defense of resources.

Until then, this is Sim City in space.


Make independent warp possible and gate camps are gone - people have to hunt for their food. Being a renter will feel like feudalism as it should.

Make resources finite and there's no blue donut, and epic battles with capitals will be followed by epic battles over their hulls.


You want ePeen? Make this the festering cauldron of PVP that certain people like to claim it is. Otherwise this is just Ritalinheads Online.

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