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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8672
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:08:00 -
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What else are we to do with our vast empty space?
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3659
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:18:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right? I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then?  I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit. So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need..
Your rant falls short.
Anybody wanna see things really get interesting?
Let's make all resources in the game FINITE.
The blue blocs will be like cuttlefish in mere months. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3447
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right? I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit. So in rubicon v2 please remove all belts, all crappy moons, all anoms, infact why dont you just remove nullsec its not like anyone actually lives there and creates some real economies is it? in fact if they not gonna actually use it, then why not just make it all NPC nullsec instead. Yeah thats what we need.. Your rant falls short. Anybody wanna see things really get interesting? Let's make all resources in the game FINITE. The blue blocs will be like cuttlefish in mere months.
As oppsoed to the high sec players who will fold in a matter of days, unsubbing rather than moving to a new system to mission/mine in. Null/low/wormhole players have demonstrated an ability to adapt to changing circumstances (evidenced by the fact that they live outside high sec), its the high sec crowd thats most vulnerable to what you seem to want to happen.
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Ruezer
Saint's Industries
Northern Associates.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:34:00 -
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Renting is a hell of a deal. Get your own system in 0.0, do whatever you want in it (excluding getting R32 or R64 moons  ) not have to do CTAs daily, but get defense from the landlords if someone tries to take the sov.
Honestly, if you like to play the game the way you wanna play it, there is no better option for sov 0.0. Great emergent gameplay provided by these "big bad alliances". |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
115
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:56:00 -
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if people want to rent then that's up to them. This is not my point so stop getting upset and defensive.
This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!
Also for people commenting. Renters do not sit there grinding 24/7, some may do but most dont. So yes for some it could be a ISK maker but for most its not. Also have some of you even bothered to fly through renter space? its TOTALLY dead. So please explain where all these renters are then?
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Ruezer
Saint's Industries
Northern Associates.
2
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:07:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:if people want to rent then that's up to them. This is not my point so stop getting upset and defensive.
This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!
Also for people commenting. Renters do not sit there grinding 24/7, some may do but most dont. So yes for some it could be a ISK maker but for most its not. Also have some of you even bothered to fly through renter space? its TOTALLY dead. So please explain where all these renters are then?
One thing I've noticed is that some of N3's rental regions seem to be very TZ specific. I can hop on now and the region I live in will have a lot of people on, while during my primetime, it's kind of dead.
EDIT: also keep in mind, not all systems will be rented at all times, primarily pipe systems. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
115
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:33:00 -
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 There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
799
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:47:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous.
Why?
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003..
EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Ustrello
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
198
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:49:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I don't understand why people get mad about nullsec. Players have created corps, formed alliances, and then added coalitions on top. They have mined moons, they have mined, ratted and PI harvested.
They found the best way to make money in nullsec was to rent.
This is emergent behavior, not the fault of CCP. If you want them to intervene, what you're saying is that you don't like the sandbox (and implicitly, are too impotent to do anything about it).
Well organized and motivated player groups are always going to optimize the game for their personal gain. Either become one, join one or keep being a hisec publord. Alternately, you can join the CFC and become a nullsec publord, but that's a topic for another day. You can hae sandboxes with different shapes and types of sand.. Most people that ocmplain were in the old 0.0 time,w hen there were tons of independent alliacnes and lots of smaller wars. And they know how it was more fun. Simple as that. people want fun.. and some miss that age. Its like 2007 0.0 was like world before WW1. Current 0.0 is like world after WW2. Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.
Now add a sun tzu quote and you'll complete the cycle |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6317
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:51:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous. Why?
Because he says so.
EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
74
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:53:00 -
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Wait this isnt the sims?
Got my Captains Quaters.. Gotta work to pay rent..
So lost.. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
115
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:57:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous. Why?
I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2661
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:57:00 -
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Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.
CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
115
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:58:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:Wait this isnt the sims?
Got my Captains Quaters.. Gotta work to pay rent..
So lost..
Was trying to work out the relevancy of your post, and couldnt so moved along. |
Spurty
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
1025
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:14:00 -
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Copious Reinforce timers killed any joy in killing structures.
Massive slap in the face of bothering with aggression
Defenders get all the love so everyone is a defender (except for the occasional abhoration of a fight where someone turns aggressive and is decisively blobbed )
That's not CCPs dream I imagine. The fighting yes, the sitting around for a fail cascade no).
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
799
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:38:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous. Why? I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not
You understand that, just like in real life, most people are followers, not leaders. That creates this situation, is it any surprise that the leader cast takes advantage of it?
CCP created this mess years ago by creating a massive isk fountain of moon goo. After years of making a few Alliances absurdly space rich, they then attempted a nerf of this income, which failed miserably and concentrated the profits into a single moon. This again continued for over a year before they once again attempted a nerf.
The large alliances, sensing that CCP might eventually not fail in their nerf attempts, and addicted to the isk faucet, started getting serious about renting again, the isk must flow....
So, does that answer your question?
You're expecting something other than human nature to apply in a sandbox....
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003..
EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Toshiro Ozuwara
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
312
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:21:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: Some people would just liek the sand type to be adjusted so that massive power blocks with most space being held by incompetent renters to not be the only way to be in 0.0. No need to remove this way of living, some just liekd when eve politics was way more complicated, with dozens of parties to consider.
All I hear is crying. Waah Waah Waah. We can't play the game the way we want.
If you could organize, you could take renter space away from someone. If you wanted to have fun, griefing renters is great.
But people don't do that. They come on the forums, the lowest form of meta game, and complain.
They suck at Eve so they cry about it.
Even if CCP does something to counter renting, at this point, one has to realize that these big, powerful, well organized blocs will just find something else to control and exploit. That's because THEY ARE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
We teach ruthlessness and hazing. No blues. Kill everything.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5225
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:02:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.
All The Isk.
By the way, there's still space in Period Basis and Branch, so if you're thinking about renting, shoot me a mail, we'll see what works for you.
Or you could rent from progodlegend. But then beware the cfc groups
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1579
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:15:00 -
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Quote:This is purely about where nullsec is going and that its just turned into a giant rental doughnut when really the alliances SHOULD be exploting the nullsec resources, thats why they are there!
Exploiting what resources? Because if you're talking about renting, you're talking about nearly worthless truesec.
The nigh worthless asteroids? The 5 or 6 anoms per system per day? The colossal waste of time to improve the system level?
There is nothing there. That's why the alliances don't use it.
If you really want people to use the space they have, then we need to nerf highsec badly enough that the elephant in the room isn't crushing everyone else with isk efficiency.
Otherwise, you're just spouting off.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
44
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:30:00 -
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Provi-bloc, laughing at everyone else in null for 9 years and counting.
Enjoy your 10% tidi and remember to tell yourself your having fun. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1868
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:56:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:There is approx 700 systems, 230 outposts that are part of some rental alliance! that is incredible! and ridiculous. Why? I think i have already explained why, perhaps you can tell us why its not
Because its our space and we're allowed to choose what we do with it, if you want a say go get your own space and do what you want with it? That sounds like a pretty good "why its not" to me.
Alternatively Pandemic Legion offers flexible rates and extremely lucrative deals on systems or whole constellations that would allow you to explore all the possibilities that owning Nullsec space can offer without any of the actual burdens.
Contact us ingame for rates and available systems!
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
Clockwork Pineapple
1910
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Posted - 2013.11.23 07:39:00 -
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I have no problem shooting renters |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3678
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Posted - 2013.11.23 08:38:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.
You must be one of those people who spills coffee on someone and then blames the person for being there at the wrong time.
What content, other than PVe, can be added to nullsec that is not going to be looked at by nullsec residents who will say "hey, this isn't my killboard" ?
When that live event got fed to a nullsec bubble camp, what did they say in nullsec about that? They said "its just another Thursday".
If things are getting boring out there, it's your bed that you made. Now lie in it.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
29
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:07:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right?
No, it's a sandbox. Players did that, not CCP.
Quote:I guess that gives us the real vibrant, confrontational, dynamic pvp environment you was looking for then? I mean we might as well just get rid of all the resources that large nullsec alliances are 'supposed' to exploit.
If that's what you want, go and create it. You have access to the same tools as everyone else, both in game and metagame. The only thing required is vision and effort. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:28:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Behold the consequences of CCP allowing nullsec to stagnate and decay for years whilst pandering to highseccers and themeparkers.
That reasoning is fairly moot, a mayority of highseccers that go by their buisness wouldent leave it, ewen if you dragged them kicking and screaming to low and null, they die in a puff of butterflies the moment they crossed the gate to low, and there be rainbows... so nerfing high only makes people leave
I do agree though with a earlier persons comment about that, if small gangs actually could damage structures in any usefull way, it actually be a point to doing it, but honestly i dont have any good ideas how that could be implemented
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1570
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:53:00 -
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So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there?
How does that work then?
Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.
This is not a signature. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
533
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Posted - 2013.11.23 09:56:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:So, null sec folk who keep complaining about how useless null is, want the likes of me to relocate there?
How does that work then?
Remove the over inflated player egos from null and I would probably spend more time there.
You don't understand. It isn't that our egos are inflated, so much as the vacuum of nullsec pulls on our egos to fill the void. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1123
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:08:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:I guess making 70% of nullsec rental space was CCPs future for eve - right? No, it's a sandbox. Players did that, not CCP.
He who sets the incentives determines the outcome. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
455
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:22:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:HATE HATE HATE HATE
TO THE FORUMS!
FOR CHANGE! Change ... Change never changes...
The end of the change occured pretty much as we predicted...
Too many humans, not enough posting or space to go around...
The details are trivial and pointless; the reasons - as always - purely human ones...
The forum was nearly wiped clean of posting, a great cleansing... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
826
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:26:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Copious Reinforce timers killed any joy in killing structures.
Massive slap in the face of bothering with aggression
Defenders get all the love so everyone is a defender (except for the occasional abhoration of a fight where someone turns aggressive and is decisively blobbed )
That's not CCPs dream I imagine. The fighting yes, the sitting around for a fail cascade no).
Exactly right. As long as alliance A needs to turn up at alliance B's strongest time and get squished, no one wants to be alliance A. When alliance B is Goons (37k members) and timers exist this farcical renting crap will continue, not only continue but expand. |
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